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moeman
Jan 12, 2004, 5:03 PM
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I'm getting a super good deal on these... 4.25 an piece for bent or straight gates, and I need to start my trad rack, so here goes. I'm thinking of buying 10 bents and 10 straights to make trad draws. Has anyone used these biners/ Should I go for it or not? Also, I can get the old BD Big Easy straight gates for about the same, so should I substitute these for the Quicksilver 2 straights?
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jhump
Jan 12, 2004, 5:16 PM
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That is a good price, BUT I wouldn't spend a penny on a non-wire gate carabiner. Wires are so much lighter and easier to use. I bought all standard crabs before wires got popular. Then I had to respend all that money to get wires. Just start with wires. Look around, you will find them for about the same price as the Quicksilvers. I just bought 10 Trango Light Quickdraws from mountaingear.com for $8.90 per draw. Those 36 gram biners are fantastic and about half the price of Neutrinos.
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pornstarr
Jan 12, 2004, 5:28 PM
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what is a "trad draw"?
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moeman
Jan 12, 2004, 5:32 PM
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2 biners, shoulder length sling tripled.
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tedc
Jan 12, 2004, 5:34 PM
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I'd probably go for all straight gates.
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moss1956
Jan 12, 2004, 6:00 PM
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I would get some sort of oval for racking your gear. They stack nicely on a gear sling so it won't be as confusing when you reach for something. Wire gates are good, but you don't want wiregates for your nuts as the nuts can work their way out of the gate and then they will be lost. I use bd ovals for my nuts, I use dovals for my cams. The large cams are one to a biner. The medium ones are two to a biner and the small ones (TCU's) are 3 to a biner. For my slings I have a doval and a jc on each one. Now for the cheapskate part. I have some petzl dogbones, and my quickdraws are made up of a doval on one end and a jc on the other. When I go to climb trad I switch these out to my slings. Quickdraws are ok to put on cams, but you probably don't want them on nuts as they are stiff and they can transmit the upward motion of the rope as you fall into pulling the nuts out of the rock. Don't spend a lot of money on slings. All the commercially made slings are strong enough. The nylon ones are cheaper, just be careful not to hitch them to dynema or spectra, because in a fall the fancy sling can cut the nylon sling.
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scubasnyder
Jan 12, 2004, 6:05 PM
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id get a few of both maybe some wire gates though, there much lighter.
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moeman
Jan 12, 2004, 6:06 PM
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In reply to: I would get some sort of oval for racking your gear. They stack nicely on a gear sling so it won't be as confusing when you reach for something. Wire gates are good, but you don't want wiregates for your nuts as the nuts can work their way out of the gate and then they will be lost. I use bd ovals for my nuts, I use dovals for my cams. The large cams are one to a biner. The medium ones are two to a biner and the small ones (TCU's) are 3 to a biner. For my slings I have a doval and a jc on each one. Now for the cheapskate part. I have some petzl dogbones, and my quickdraws are made up of a doval on one end and a jc on the other. When I go to climb trad I switch these out to my slings. Quickdraws are ok to put on cams, but you probably don't want them on nuts as they are stiff and they can transmit the upward motion of the rope as you fall into pulling the nuts out of the rock. Don't spend a lot of money on slings. All the commercially made slings are strong enough. The nylon ones are cheaper, just be careful not to hitch them to dynema or spectra, because in a fall the fancy sling can cut the nylon sling. okkkkaaaayyy... Nice informative post, but totally off topic. Thanks for a review of how to rack gear... but that isn't helping much. You did not even mention the Quickcsilvers... the topic of this thread. Have you used them, and are they good? Yey or Ney?
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moeman
Jan 12, 2004, 6:07 PM
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In reply to: That is a good price, BUT I wouldn't spend a penny on a non-wire gate carabiner. Wires are so much lighter and easier to use. I bought all standard crabs before wires got popular. Then I had to respend all that money to get wires. Just start with wires. Look around, you will find them for about the same price as the Quicksilvers. I just bought 10 Trango Light Quickdraws from mountaingear.com for $8.90 per draw. Those 36 gram biners are fantastic and about half the price of Neutrinos. these look pretty sweet. Check out this link... http://www.mgear.com/pages/product/product.asp?level1_id=16&level2_id=24&level3_id=6318&item=102541&level2_title=Hardware&level3_title=Quickdraw+Sets I might buy these now.
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