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pornstarr


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can one actually trad?

....saw a comment saying "i love to trad".

hmmm


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No, "trad" is not a verb. In that sentence, you are simply leaving out "trad climbing." Climbing is the verb. Traditional is typically an adjective, as in "traditional climbing," but it could also be a noun, as in "you are traditional."


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can one actually trad?

....saw a comment saying "i love to trad".

hmmm
No, it isn't allowed--even for people in the USA--to verb the word trad. This is an area where sport climbing has an advantage, as "sport" was already a verb.


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better ask climbsomething. :wink:


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...... as "sport" was already a verb.


really?? so i can go out and do some sporting too??

dayum.....


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can one actually trad?

....saw a comment saying "i love to trad".

hmmm
No, it isn't allowed--even for people in the USA--to verb the word trad. This is an area where sport climbing has an advantage, as "sport" was already a verb.

I gave up on this fight a long time ago. I now proudly trad.

I do have to draw the line with "paintball," though. Not only is paintball not a verb, but it is not a sport, much less an extreme sport.

-Jay


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No, but you could walk to the crag sportin' fresh prana and sick-light draws.


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oh yeah, i forgot. to sport is to wear.....

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No. Trad is not a verb. Neither is sport in a climbing context.

sport, vb, to make ostentatious display of; show off.

Hmmm . . . . If the shoe fits . . .

JV


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No, "trad" is not a verb. In that sentence, you are simply leaving out "trad climbing." Climbing is the verb. Traditional is typically an adjective, as in "traditional climbing," but it could also be a noun, as in "you are traditional."
I hate to be a weenie, but I'll be one anyway :wink: --- When you use the phrase, "trad climbing" the word "climbing" is not a verb, it's actually a noun when "trad" is an adjective. Adjectives modify nouns, not verbs. For instance, "I like to go trad climbing." The word "go" is the verb and climbing is the indirect noun, which is modified by "trad."

How about "Trad climbing is fun and interesting; I like trad climbing because trad climbers get cool chicks." What are the verbs? Is, like, and get. Again, climbing is a noun in these instances, so "trad" and its elongated brother, "traditional," are adjectives.

I think when you say, "I love to trad," the word "love" is the verb and "to trad" is just an infinitive. I think. It's sort of like "to climb" and "to run." any other freaks care to join in on the fun?


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no its not


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Officially no, but in an informal setting, where communication in style is paramount, it works. Other non-verbs that are acceptable as verbs:
Onsight
Redpoint
Flash


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any other freaks care to join in on the fun?
Nice use of two consecutive prepositions. :lol:

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I love to trad.
"To trad" is an infinitive phrase, meaning it consists of to + the infinitive form of a verb. For example, "I love to climb." Or, "I want to (fill in the blank)." The to + infinitive acts as a direct object, which is a noun.

Although "to trad" acts as a noun, "trad" must be a verb because it is an infinitive.

Is "trad" a word?

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Other non-verbs that are acceptable as verbs:
Flash
In several other contexts "flash" is a verb.
She flashed me.
He flashed by the other runners.
Don't flash your cash.
In an antiquated useage, He flashed after a half gallon of Spanada.


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Officially no, but in an informal setting, where communication in style is paramount, it works.


to say "i trad" is not the least bit stylish...


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No, "trad" is not a verb. In that sentence, you are simply leaving out "trad climbing." Climbing is the verb. Traditional is typically an adjective, as in "traditional climbing," but it could also be a noun, as in "you are traditional."

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think traditional is a noun, especially in that example. "you are a traditional", would make it a noun, but I have no idea what a traditional is. In the example that you gave, "you are traditional", the word traditional is an adjective (i think).


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Are you disrespectin' me because I trad?


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a tradding we will go
a tradding we will go
thirty foot runout on a double 0
a tradding we will go


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Climbing isn't a verb, climbing is a gerund. Gerund use verbs to function as nouns. In this case, "to climb" is the base verb and "climbing" is used as a noun in a sentence such as, "I love climbing."

Tradding is attempting to function as a gerund but could only work if we allow that Traditional is a verb. "I love traditionalling," or alternatively, "I love tradding," could never work.

The preceding was the grammar beacon in me screaming for release.

In any case I don't know how you could use trad as a verb. One could say, "I trad," I suppose, though I've never heard it.

To summarize: if you heard someone use "tradding" in a sentence, what you heard was an attempt on Bob's part to turn "traditional" into a gerund. For some reason people think "ing" words function as verbs in sentences. They do not. They modify verbs to function as nouns.


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...... as "sport" was already a verb.


really?? so i can go out and do some sporting too??

dayum.....
You probably already have. From www.dictionary.com:
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v. sport·ed, sport·ing, sports
v. intr.

1. To play or frolic.
2. To joke or trifle.
3. Biology. To mutate.


v. tr.

To display or show off: “His shoes sported elevated heels” (Truman Capote).


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Any noun can be verbed.


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Any noun can be verbed.
That would be verbified I think. :lol:


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Verbification is not always a good thing.


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Climbing isn't a verb, climbing is a gerund......For some reason people think "ing" words function as verbs in sentences. They do not. They modify verbs to function as nouns.
Just to be a wacko, "climbing," in your sentence above behaves as a noun, and the subject of the sentence; and it is not modifying the verb "isn't". Climbing (subject/noun) isn't (verb) a (article) verb (oddly, a noun :lol:). A gerund is a gerund, if I am correct, when it modifies/works with the verb "to be." Such as "I am climbing" - that would make it a gerund.
Anyway, I'll try not to post again as I'm feeling a little silly right about now.


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Climbing isn't a verb, climbing is a gerund......For some reason people think "ing" words function as verbs in sentences. They do not. They modify verbs to function as nouns.
Just to be a wacko, "climbing," in your sentence above behaves as a noun, and the subject of the sentence; and it is not modifying the verb "isn't". Climbing (subject/noun) isn't (verb) a (article) verb (oddly, a noun :lol:). A gerund is a gerund, if I am correct, when it modifies/works with the verb "to be." Such as "I am climbing" - that would make it a gerund.
Anyway, I'll try not to post again as I'm feeling a little silly right about now.

Gerunds have nothing to do with "be" verbs (except when a "be" verb becomes a gerund... :lol: ).

You mentioned that "climbing" in my sentence above behaves as a noun. This is obviously so, since "gerunds" are a special case of nouns. A gerund is a verb behaving like a noun, and in english are signified by ending in "ing". When I said that gerunds modify verbs to become nouns, I didn't mean they modified other verbs in the sentence. I meant that they modify any verb to become a noun. The modification is the "ing".

To summarize: gerunds have no specific attachment to "be" verbs.

All of this said, I reread the original post and this is actually quite a different case than was asked about. Oh well... ;-)

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