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kilgymrats
Feb 18, 2004, 2:49 AM
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Well..I don't know if there is a post about bivi sacks in the sea of forms out there..so if there is sorry I'm to dumb to find it. Anyway, my question is for those of you who have used a bivi sack on a ledge...NOT BACKPACKING/CAMPING/etc... I was wondering what the best sack for ledging and "climbing" in general, is out there, and what you all who have spent a stormy night in a ledge, recomend. Thanx for your help!
~Kill dem' Rats!
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iamthewallress
Feb 18, 2004, 2:55 AM
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I've never had to wait days in a deluge or anything, but I have bivied in the rain a couple of times, and my Bibler Big wall bivy kept me dry. The clip in loop is a nice feature. It's bigger than my boyfriend's OR sack which also kept him dry.
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mike_ok
Feb 18, 2004, 3:22 AM
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I've been checking them out as well, and from my results I've decided on the ID Salathe... seems to have everything I want.
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skiclimb
Feb 18, 2004, 3:29 AM
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Bivy sack will keep you alive I guess...but I'd reccomend a good storm fly...And a bivy sack if you really want to be certain.never have needed one yet on a wall except at the base one night..but the day will certainly come..
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mesomorf
Feb 18, 2004, 3:30 AM
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OR....ID....something tells me these don't mean Oregon nor Idaho.
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lambone
Feb 18, 2004, 3:34 AM
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Outdoor Reasearch, Seattle
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pmyche
Feb 18, 2004, 3:38 AM
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wrong wrong.
wild things bivy sack. best on market.
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kilgymrats
Feb 18, 2004, 4:13 AM
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Thankx everyone...I've been checking out the Bibler and the ID.. both seem to be designed with us climber in mind. However..when the bivi sack is fully zipped..doesn't the flap lay on your face and get condinsation? condinsation=water.... which is what we're trying to avoid in the first place. And I too believe that the ledge fly & bivi sack would be the best set up. I think this is one of the most important issues to iron out in oreder to assure big wall success. I'm planning on a Yos trip this summer to climb a wall or 2 and this is the only real concern I have. So thanx a lot for all you suggestions and input!
~rat killer
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skiclimb
Feb 18, 2004, 4:28 AM
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Yep trying to wait out a day or two in a bivy sack sucks ..the fly by itself is better than a bivy if your bag is waterproof (yeah right) or semi so.
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holdplease2
Feb 18, 2004, 4:35 AM
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If the only real concern I had about yosemite bigwalls was which bivy sack to buy I would be...happy.
Unfortunately I can list way too many additional real concerns
Therefore, I will be watching you set up your Fly/Ledge/Bivysack in your rainstorm from my Coleman Umbrella Chair in the meadow.
I have a bibler bigwall bivy which I plan to use when car-camping. The handy tie-in loop will be attached to my fishing line so that if anything bites I will wake up.
-Kate.
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soccer_fan
Feb 18, 2004, 4:36 AM
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So what do most of you do when you wake up in the morning and its still raining and you're stuck in a bivy sack? I"ve thought about trying using a rain fly + bivy to cut some weight. I don't do big walls (yet), but I was just curious to how this things actually work out....
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epic_ed
Feb 18, 2004, 5:59 AM
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Another vote for the Bibler BW Bivy sack. Performance wise, it's been excellent. I haven't had a real test on the wall, but it's been through a couple of camping storms with flying colors. My only complaint are the ventilation options. If it's warm outside, it gets hot quickly. But additional zippers tend to compromise weather-proof-ness, so there's your trade off. The single zipper at chest level also make entry/exit a little bit of a challenge.
Ed
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iamthewallress
Feb 18, 2004, 8:46 PM
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Re: condensation...If you are not laying in a waterfall, the way that the top of the Bibler is constructed, you can open the zipper and pull the wire stiffener down so that there is a big overlap. You'll still get some condensation in the bag (that's the nature of layinging in a plastic bag in a rain storm), but it will help. A tarp is a nice addition to the storm gear if you aren't going to buy a portledge fly.
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junnos
Feb 18, 2004, 8:59 PM
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Here's a quick question. If you have a bomber rain fly and a synthetic bag, are bivy sacks 100% necasary? If a rescue happens, is the... let's say, YOSAR team gonna give you crap if you have no sack? Bivy sack I mean.
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hosh
Feb 18, 2004, 9:53 PM
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Never done any big wall, but I own the ID Salathe bivy. Was disappointed with it b/c it was a bit too long. But I've used it a few more times and I guess it's not that bad after all. I really like the way it's built but I wish it was 5 inches shorter... :cry:
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kilgymrats
Feb 19, 2004, 12:35 AM
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Thanx again for all the responses. Sounds to me like the Bibler is the big winner. Well, now I just have to find it for a cheap price. Thanx a ton everyone! ...and please don't be mistaken..the sleeping arrangemnt isn't my only concern with climbing a wall! I just think it's a very vital part to success. Thanx again!
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spike
Feb 19, 2004, 12:45 AM
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I have the Bibler Big Wall Bivy bag and it works great.
Yes, getting into it is a little of a pain, but after you are in --- its great.
I have been in 1 major storm and 1 minor storm and the bivy bag along with the rain fly makes you feel well protected from the elements. I wouldn't go up on a big wall without my bivy bag!
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mrhardgrit
Feb 19, 2004, 12:45 PM
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I was wondering..... if the situation so arose .... would it be possible to get into your bibler bag, tie into the tie-in loop and hang at the belay (without a ledge) and last out a day long storm?
1. Is the tie-in in a decent place relative to you, within the bag?
2. Is the material durable enough to cope with a day's/night's uncomfortable rubbing against the rock?
3. Is the top of the bag designed well enough so that you wouldn't end up having a gallon of rain water in the bottom of your sack after 12 hours?
I know these questions are a bit dependent of people having weathered out a storm in this bag, but I don't mind hypotheses from Bibler owners!
Tom
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epic_ed
Feb 19, 2004, 3:38 PM
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The tie-in is oriented about chest level on the left side of the bag. Being suspended from this point would create an hanging orientation I don't think I'd want to stay in for more than a few minutes. But suffering is relative, I suppose. I think it would hold up well to abrasion -- it has an abrasion-resistant, water proof material that surrounds the loop. The only opening on the sack is across the neck/chest line and it has a generous overlaping material. If you're hanging from the tie-in point oriented in a head up/feet down position, you'd very likely remain completely dry. I'm not willing to test out the "comfort" factor in this configuration, though. :mrgreen:
Ed
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lambone
Feb 19, 2004, 6:30 PM
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sounds like a body bag to me...
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