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mattiem
Mar 30, 2004, 8:34 AM
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WHOA DADDY
has anyone seen one of these in real life?
I just got the enw 2004 catalog and they are wierd as hell
Its not even up on their website yet
Basically its a normal locking carabiner but on the spine opposite the gate is another gate opening with a wire gate. You are supposed to clip your rope into this secondary gate to increse friction and control on rappels and to keep the rope from getting tangled.
Interesting idea its sort of like adding the little notch from the pirahana figure 8 device to a locker and then adding a wiregate on it. I will def pick one of these up just to see what it is like.
Any thoughts? Anyone else seen this?
mattiem
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moeman
Mar 31, 2004, 3:16 AM
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Sounds like an interesting idea. Whats the cost $$$?
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tweek
Mar 31, 2004, 3:35 AM
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It looks cool and is exactly what this link:
http://www.rockclimbing.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=46673&highlight=grigri+piggy+back
talked about doing with a slightly different technique.
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coldclimb
Mar 31, 2004, 3:39 AM
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Is this really necessary though? I can rappel just fine on my normal locker, and I'm never going to buy a piece of gear specifically for rappelling if it doesn't also work exceptionally well for a lot of other stuff. Does this thing have any versatility to it? Seems like just a gimmick to get people to buy another interesting piece of gear... :?
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mattiem
Mar 31, 2004, 6:44 AM
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not really sure if it hase any other use, i as well have no problem rapping on my standard lockers i want one just for the novelty value it looks ridiculous. The one use i can see is that is say you acn wrap the rope in the hook for more friction. I had to simul rap on double skinnies and there wasn't enough friction and i got a bit of rope burn so mabye this biner could replace the need for the reverino or similar skinny rope belay device?
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sklantedzrt
May 4, 2004, 1:16 AM
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The very same effect of the Freino's smaller secondary biner can be created simply:
Alongside your rap biner (big locker) on yor belay loop, clip a wiregate (BD Ovalwire emulates the Freino secondary's proportions nicely) with opposing gate. Rope tension will minimize the "apparent span" of the wiregate to the diameter of your rope, or just slightly more (i.e. the distance from the spine of the big biner to the gate of the wiregate biner will be only big enought for your rope, say 9-11mm, just like the Freino's secondary slot.
The Frieno may be a weight saver if you always use its specialty function, but for weekenders and alpinists, the above technique will save you the weight, space, and expense of yet another gizmo.
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