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I'm thinking of buying a thin static trail line. Suggestions? A friend of mine uses (and insists I buy) a 6mm off a spool. This seems too thin, and I don't really know anyone who uses one that thin. I do know I'm tired of using a semi-retired 10.5 dynamic rope that's heavier than my lead line.

On the side, what do you aid climbers use for hauling.

Thanks, for the help.

Elliott


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I'm thinking of buying a thin static trail line. Suggestions? A friend of mine uses (and insists I buy) a 6mm off a spool. This seems too thin, and I don't really know anyone who uses one that thin. I do know I'm tired of using a semi-retired 10.5 dynamic rope that's heavier than my lead line.

On the side, what do you aid climbers use for hauling.

7mm works pretty well for both. Unless your pig is enormous. 2200lb static breaking strength. 6mm is much weaker, maybe 1200lbs? Anyways, once it starts to abrade a bit, the margin of safety with a 7 mil is something you will probably want. Especially if you haul on it with a 2:1 or 3:1 and a big pig.

ps. I try not to haul and I only climb moderate aid. So YMMV.

pps. I feel your pain regarding the heavy trail line. Ditch it if you can hit the ground, but if your lead line gets abraded (eg. while cleaning)... hell, you can get a 7.5mm dynamic for about $99 at MEC if you're interested.


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epic_ed moved this thread from Gear Heads to Aid Climbing.

I'm assuming this is specifically an aid question, correct?


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For a zip line I use 5mm.

It really helps save weight, I can leave the hammer and pins down at the belay and if I need them my partner ties them on and I zip them up. I also use the zip line to pull up the haul line once I get to the anchors.

As far as what size haul line, it depends on what I am climbing.
I usually like 10.mm or 10.5 I have a 11mm for jugging on big walls but it is a bit thick for hauling devices and belay devices.

The B.D. 8mm hauline is a great rope; I hauled 2 pigs up Zodiac with it!!
Probly should not have, but I did.


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I 2nd the BD 8MM static line. I've had one for a couple of years now and I'm due to replace it and I'll go with another, especially given the price. Back in the day I bought a 7mm off the spool and felt it was to light, hard to manage, and seemed to perpetually be in knots. It went down the tubes when I fixed it on an easy pitch to rap down off a solo. When I returned to retrieve it the Pikas had nearly eaten it in half. :cry:


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Wow, you rapped on a 7mm??

I heard that some fireman carry50 ft. of Maxim 5.5mm in their pocket in case they have to do an emegrgncy rap.


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Go light with your tag line. 5mm has worked great for me.As for a haul line, I've shreaded a 9mm haul line, so now I like to go beef. At least 10mm.
Peace, Larry


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Looking at the initial poster's profile, I suspect the question may have more to do with free climbing than aid climbing.

A lot of folks buy static trail lines for multipitch free climbing. I'd strongly suggest grabbing a thin dynamic line for a second line when free climbing. If you are bringing a second line, you're usually rapping. If you're rapping, sooner or later your line will get stuck (sooner if you climb at Red Rocks), and you'll be forced to lead on your other line. Unless you always retie the ropes on multi-pitch raps (a big pain), that means you'll have the static line in your hand half the time your other rope gets stuck. Much better to have a second skinny dynamic which you can lead on (and also if your lead line gets a core shot due to rockfall, etc). I use a 9.6 x 50m as a second line.

For aid climbing, ignore the above advice...


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If you are getting a rope just to trail for rapping, a dynamic rope is not a bad way to go, but I would go smaller. I wouldgo with an 8.1mm. Sure, it's not rated for a single rope lead, but this would only be an emergency situation where something happened to your lead rope. The savings in weight are well worth it.


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You can get a 7mmX60m BlueWater Static rap line from mtntools.com for $74.00. Although it may take over a month to get it...Like its taking me. They screwed up and never sent it until yesterday. I ordered over a month ago. But that's the only place I've seen a deal like that.


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