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junnos


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I picked up the new issue of "Climbing" last night, and have to say I was disapointed. The disapointment I speak of was an article called "The Beautiful People", by Tim Kemple. When I first fliped through I was psyched to see faces and routes I am familiar with, so I went on to read it. I must say, it stunk. I mean, I almost stopped reading it, but had to finsh to TRY to understand what the author was trying to get accross. The article was basically a bunch of fragments thrown together to form some sort horrible "Haiko". The most I got out of it is that there were Europeans presant and J. Kinder grew a mustach. I mean, I am no litterature scholar and most likely spelt a lot of words wrong on this post, but this was bad. As for the pictures, they looked like they were taken with a disposable camera. First, there was ONE cool one of S. McClure on Survival, but that's it. Second, if I'm correct the article was about the Gunks, but had picture of Rumney thrown in. What ever happened to sticking to the subject? This is not a personal "Slam" to T. Kemple, as Edge puts it , but just my opinion on a piece that was put out by "Climbing". Hell, John Long could have done it, and I would still be writing this post.


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Everyone thinks they are a good writer, don't they?


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You mean I might be not so good a writing guy? Bullsh!t.

PS- great sig quote. Just saw it again recently. Good stuff.


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What do you personally have against Tim K? This is not the first time you have slammed his work on here. You're certainly entitled to an opinion, but you seem to single him out.


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Sorry if it seems that way. Seriously. That is not my motive. I always write letters to the mags about terrible articles and things of the like. I also write to compliment good articles as well. They never go to press. This time instead of writing to the mags, I posted. And yes, I AM intilted to an opinion.


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Funny, I almost never read the mags much these days (although I too get them for free) but I actually enjoyed the Tim Kemple article.

Not much else in that issue I bothered reading though.


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Its Haiku. Sorry, my 1/0 Japanese got ticked.


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I enjoyed the article. The way the pictures were gives a different feeling than the usually perfect conditions, almost set up shots. They were a quick look at what was going on. It was a nice change of pace and on first flip through the mag the only thing that caught my eye.Keep up the good work Tim!!!

Also if you want to put out your opinion, which is just as valid as anyone elses, stick to your guns. Editing out your post/opinions when others disagree makes it seem less valid a point. This is the web and almost anything you say will start a flame war as some people like to flame.


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don't know anything about this article but i do have beef with Tim K from a previous issue. Where he claims that he made the 1st ascent of route, when Jon Sykes had the 1st ascent except a 10 foot section which Jon aided. i'm biased though Jon is a good friend.

John post the original again.


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What was the original rant about?

TK is a cool head I met him in Siurana in December we drank stacks of beers and he bro'd me down a couple rolls of film when I ran out


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It wasn't much of a rant, really, he just said he didn't like the writing or the pictures. I called him on it because I remember the comment on this photo.


http://www.rockclimbing.com/...n=Show&PhotoID=26843

Tim K is a friend of mine, climbs at the gym where I coach, and is a great guy. I was just wondering what the purpose of the thread was, to help improve the magazine or to slam Tim K. Like I said, he was entitled to his opinion, I'm surprised it was pulled.


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Did TK write the article about Cathedral?
Because? The writing could have been stronger. Nothing personal; you have to practise your writing like you do anything else. Haven't read the latest issue.


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Did TK write the article about Cathedral?
Because? The writing could have been stronger. Nothing personal; you have to practise your writing like you do anything else. Haven't read the latest issue.

No, that was written by Dave Schmidt.


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Ah. Then, I have nothing to add to this thread. ;)

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junnos you shouldn't care anyway. Tim K is another one of those New England trust fund climbers, just like Henry B.


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"Tim K is another one of those New England trust fund climbers, just like Henry B."

hhhmmm, so are you bashing New Englanders, people with money, Tim K and Henry Barber all in the same sentence? wow. Fascinating. I really don't care where a person comes from or what their financial situation is. The truth of the matter is that both Tim and Henry are great climbers.
To steer this back toward the original topic, has anyone read Henry's book? I haven't been able to find it anywhere and was wondering if it was worth it.

Kevin


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To steer this back toward the original topic, has anyone read Henry's book?

???? original topic?????? trust fund brats :lol:

ask henry why he won't go to Australia anymore.


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ok, "original topic" was a bit of a stretch... was thinking of "climbers who write".

Kevin


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If you want well written, accurate articles and killer photography, buck up and subscribe to Alpinist.


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If you want well written, accurate articles and killer photography, buck up and subscribe to Alpinist.

I couldn't agree more :D . I'm just glad I didn't pay for the mag. Someone gave it to me.


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I took out a 2nd mortgage to pay for my subscription...


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O man, you got off easy. I had to pimp out my sister.......


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:lol: :lol:


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I just scoped my first issue - given to me for free (paid for by "outing club" of the school where I teach) - but it was March - pretty cool

Nothing to add to the "original" except that . . . "trust fund climber" sounds pretty good to me; better than "trust fund spendthrift" or "trust fund heroin burnout" or "trust fund pedophile" or "trust fund boobtoobdood" . . . . eh?

Have yet to check out Rock & Ice, though I'm keen to as Duane Raleigh's an old-timey OK climber . . .

our mountains are older than your mountains!

leinosaur


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i agree--that article really really blows...it seems rockclimbing has become more about who you know and hang out with at the crag than really what you're climbing...why are there pictures of some morons screwing around next to boulders, or showing their fingers, or sticking their tongues out? they are not climbing, i don't know or care to know who they are, i don't want to see them...It seems this sort of article has shown what climbing is degrading into--the same sort of morons who infested other "extreme" sports are finding that climbing is "cool" and now we have to suffer through the indignities of these morons at the crags...
i don't want to have to find some isolated crag and tell no one about it because these wanna-be frat guys will infest it if they knew the "secret spot" but it seems like things are headed that way...
i'd rather enjoy a quiet day at the crag than be surrounded by the coolest people in climbing...

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