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alpnclmbr1
May 11, 2004, 6:58 AM
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I take very few risks while climbing. I free solo easy routes pretty regularly.
Do you take risks climbing?
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coldclimb
May 11, 2004, 7:15 AM
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Yes. Quite often, I suppose. I think that's one of the reasons why the sport is so much fun.
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overzealous
May 11, 2004, 12:55 PM
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At the risk (no pun intended) of starting a flamefest... wouldn't you consider free soloing easy routes to be taking a risk?
I'm not saying not to do it, I've soloed a few very easy climbs that I had climbed before and felt very confident on, and I'm a noob. That said I felt I was doing something risky, even on a friggan 5.2 route that I had dialed.
There are so many factors that you can't account for or predict that I can't see not considering soloing a risk.
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breaksnclimbs
May 11, 2004, 1:03 PM
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I may be a risk taker in some peoples eyes??
I regularly take falls on trad gear :shock: I like to think of
climbing as a game of calculated risks because it's
generally not a safe sport to begin with!!
I don't solo routes.
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dingus
May 11, 2004, 1:27 PM
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On occasion, yes.
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dc
May 11, 2004, 2:01 PM
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bandycoot
May 11, 2004, 2:40 PM
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In reply to: There are so many factors that you can't account for or predict that I can't see not considering
:lol:
Soloing near your limit is a "risk." Soloing is not necessarily a risk. I've done approaches that made me more apprehensive than onsight soloing, yet for some reason no one refers to the risk of approaches ever. I swear I'm going to die on an approach/descent when my damn nut tool catches on something and throws me off balance! :shock:
That said, I do take risks climbing. I don't have kids yet... 8^)
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dingus
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In reply to: Soloing near your limit is a "risk." Soloing is not necessarily a risk.
Not sure I buy into this point. Care to elaborate?
DMT
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alpnclmbr1
May 11, 2004, 3:43 PM
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In reply to: In reply to: Soloing near your limit is a "risk." Soloing is not necessarily a risk. Not sure I buy into this point. Care to elaborate? DMT
Assume that some base level of risk tolerance is necessary to being a climber.
I would contend that at some difficulty level free soloing does not go beyond that basic risk level.
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kingjawsh
May 11, 2004, 3:50 PM
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Any climb is a risk.. due to the fact u dont know exactly how its gonna play out.. but i mean i see no problem with soloing.. i do it all the time
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bandycoot
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Elaboration: Soloing at or near you limit entails risk. Soloing, by definition if you fail you die. At or near you limit means there is an elevated chance of failure. Therefore, risk is involved. Soloing isn't necessarily more "risky" than other activities. I've hiked trails where if I tripped and fell I would die, but the trail was class 1 or 2. If a boulder rolled down the hill and hit me I would die. If I had a mild heart attack on that trail and fell the wrong way I would fall and die. Since it is a class 1 or 2 trail, it is not considered "risky." I've soloed a 800-1000' 5.3 that had huge jugs to grab the whole way, and ledges to stop on. If felt like a steep hike. There was not really a chance that I would fail at the climb unless something that could have killed me hiking happened that was completely out of my control. I don't feel this was "risky." While there is a risk involved in EVERYTHING we do I wouldn't call it all "risky." Hope that explains my logic.
Josh
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caughtinside
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Climbing has a lot of risk management tied up in it. It can be as risky as you want it to be, or you can sew it up/back off. This isn't always true, but some days I feel bolder than others, and am willing to take more risk.
Edit: I think one of the biggest factors that determines how much risk I'll take is who my partner is that day. Trust is big, and someone else of the same mindset can do a lot to get you psyched. I also climbed with a guy I didn't know who was stoned silly, and I didn't want to make one false step. Just climbing with him was enough risk for one day!
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gipsy
May 11, 2004, 4:08 PM
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Define "risk."
Since no living creature is guaranteed their next breath, aren't (we) all inherently risk takers simply by putting foot on the floor upon waking?
Just a thought...
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flying_dutchman
May 11, 2004, 4:13 PM
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just the other day i walked accross a road... thats a risk; coulda been hit by a car. Hell, driving is riskier then climbing. Life is full of risks, unless you've been in a coma for the last little while.
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Just getting out of bed every morning is a risk. I do lots of things that increase the possibility I could get hurt. There are some things I do that increase the probability more than others. Taking risks is a lot of fun. Getting hurt isn't though. I do it because of the adrenaline rush I get while I'm taking a "risk" and for the feeling of accomplishment after I overcome something difficult.
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dingus
May 11, 2004, 4:17 PM
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In reply to: I don't feel this was "risky." While there is a risk involved in EVERYTHING we do I wouldn't call it all "risky." Hope that explains my logic. Josh
It does. You're not saying it is without risk, you're saying it doesn't exceed your risk tolerance... ie its not "risky" to you.
Cheers
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dingus
May 11, 2004, 4:18 PM
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[quote="alpnclmbr1Assume that some base level of risk tolerance is necessary to being a climber.
I would contend that at some difficulty level free soloing does not go beyond that basic risk level.
Got it. Thanks.
DMT
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alpnclmbr1
May 11, 2004, 4:20 PM
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In reply to: Climbing has a lot of risk management tied up in it. It can be as risky as you want it to be, or you can sew it up/back off. This isn't always true, but some days I feel bolder than others, and am willing to take more risk.
Climbing has some basic level of risk inherent in the activity. Assume that is the baseline.
When do you back off from it? When do you push past it? What influences your choices?
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caughtinside
May 11, 2004, 4:23 PM
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In reply to: In reply to: Climbing has a lot of risk management tied up in it. It can be as risky as you want it to be, or you can sew it up/back off. This isn't always true, but some days I feel bolder than others, and am willing to take more risk. Climbing has some basic level of risk inherent in the activity. Assume that is the baseline. When do you back off from it? When do you push past it? What influences your choices?
Gut feeling. Some days my eyes open a little wider, my nostrils flare and I want it bad. But again, who I'm climbing with and how they feel plays a big role.
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alpnclmbr1
May 11, 2004, 4:36 PM
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caughtinside:
Agreed that partners are the most important ingredient in setting a risk tolerence level.
To everyone:
Climbing has some basic level of risk inherent in the activity. Assume that is the baseline.
When do you back off from it? When do you push past it? What influences your choices?
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p_grandbois
May 11, 2004, 5:17 PM
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I take risks a lot now that I think of it. I free solo a lot and find that when I take risks it adds to the adrenaline of it all. I think they call people like me a Type T personality. Risks add to the experience, in 2 ways. 1)How you overcome them( the puzzle of it all, like pro placements). 2)Sheer adrenaline.
"To conquer without risk, is to triumph without glory"
A great man once said that, who can guess who?
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May 11, 2004, 5:39 PM
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In reply to: "To conquer without risk, is to triumph without glory" A great man once said that, who can guess who?
A: Pierre Corneille
Regarding the question...I agree, the partner plays a big role in my feelings for the day. Couple the right partner on the right day and my acceptable risk threshold can be increased quite a bit. It's interesting in that sometimes I have that 'feeling' when I am still in the car, other times it hits me mid-climb.
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nwaclimber
May 11, 2004, 5:50 PM
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I believe risk can only be measured by the individual. As already stated, 5.13 may be risky to me, where as 5.8 may be risky to the beginner. It’s all in perspective and there is not a day that goes by that we don't inherently put ourselves into some form of risk. For me, I know and understand the risks of climbing, and I receive gratification from conquering that risk and learning from not only my mistakes but my achievements while overcoming those risks. For example, the difference between the everyday risks and climbing is that we are all numb to the risks until someone swerves into our lane, our house burns down because of a faulty outlet, or terrorists attack our nation. It’s all in perspective. The climber simply understands their risk and actively pursues the risk.
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jammer
May 11, 2004, 5:51 PM
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And the ol' saying goes ... "If you ain't flying, you ain't trying!". This alone requires some risk, eh?
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rokshoxbkr19
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why don't you ask my partner Dredsovrn if he thinks I am a risk taker. "HEY, Parcheesie, do I take any risks???" A lot of times when I hit terra firma after a climb people tell me I am nuts, but I never do anything that makes me feel like I am out of control. I know myself better than most people know themselves and I push it, but I love it. Risks, I guess so, but it never feels that way.
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