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tmcphail


May 11, 2004, 8:54 AM
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Lost: Rock Empire cams & Black diamond quickdraw on pitch 3 to 4 in January 04. Lead route and left gear in place for a second rope team to follow up and clean. While following they missed some cams in a crack and assumed we ran the route out. No one missed the gear until we got back from trip. By chance did anyone recover the gear?

Thanks in advance.

PS - Awesome route, especially the continuation up solar slab!


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serves you right for not doing a gear check as soon as you finished the climb. i'm sure that cam and draw have a new, happy home.

last time i checked the rulebook of trad leading...finders keepers.


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Yeah, because after rapping down in the dark I would have been all gung ho to climb back up for it in the dark!

I'm glad not all climbers share your view. I know this for a fact since last week while I was out there another group found some gear that they were asking everyone they came across trying to find it's owner.


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serves you right for not doing a gear check as soon as you finished the climb. i'm sure that cam and draw have a new, happy home.

How about "it really helps to do a gear check once you've finished a climb, preventing things like this from happening."

But no, you had to word it like a punkass.


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I agree, that sounded a bit harsh.

If I come across a piece of gear I'll grab it and keep it BUT if I run into someone afterwards who said they are missing a piece of gear I'd gladly return it.


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first of all, you do a gear check at the top of the climb, not the bottom, that way you can pickup any lost gear on the way down.

second, if i find a cam in the rock, its mine. if i bump into someone who said they lost their gear and it turns out i found it, of course i'll return it. but hey, if its booty, its booty, and its finders-keepers.

you're a moron for waiting MONTHS after your climb to ask if you can have your cam back. hows that for harsh?


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first of all, you do a gear check at the top of the climb, not the bottom, that way you can pickup any lost gear on the way down.

second, if i find a cam in the rock, its mine. if i bump into someone who said they lost their gear and it turns out i found it, of course i'll return it. but hey, if its booty, its booty, and its finders-keepers.

you're a moron for waiting MONTHS after your climb to ask if you can have your cam back. hows that for harsh?

Two points for the take down...
Score 2 points for major reality check....


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Considering he joined rc.com on April 29, I'd say his post was pretty timely. Maybe he didn't know of rc.com when he climbed it. Maybe he tried asking through other venues and somebody pointed him here.

Agree with checking at the top though...

There was something stuck in the rock when climboard and I were on it, but it wasn't your piece, tmcphail


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Come on guys, you will find and booty enough gear in your life that it is better to be decent in your responses, lest someone not return you the favor.

I didn't find one, but if you come to Tahquitz and let me sandbag you for a weekend, I will give you a Rock Empire cam to replace the one you lost. Your choice of cam, my choice of routes.

I'm serious about this.

And John, the offer stands for you as well, however, you must follow ME up some routes for a weekend. Bring some batteries for that headlamp for Saturday night, but don't bother bring a sleeping bag. There will be no sleeping. You can keep up, I will give you a Rock Empire cam of mine, again, your choice.

I'm serious about this one too.

TRADitionally yours,

Cali Dirtbag


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I didn't find one, but if you come to Tahquitz and let me sandbag you for a weekend, I will give you a Rock Empire cam to replace the one you lost. Your choice of cam, my choice of routes.

I'm serious about this.

And John, the offer stands for you as well, however, you must follow ME up some routes for a weekend. Bring some batteries for that headlamp for Saturday night, but don't bother bring a sleeping bag. There will be no sleeping. You can keep up, I will give you a Rock Empire cam of mine, again, your choice.

I'm serious about this one too.

TRADitionally yours,

Cali Dirtbag

HaHa!!

And Paul throws down the gauntlet!!!

good stuff!!

josh


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pffft...what am i going to do with a rock empire cam? use it as a paperweight? no thanks. :lol:

paul, i still owe you a speed ascent of something out here in RR, but i dont do belay b*tch.

josh, you call that a gauntlet? please. :roll:

finally, if i'm dumb/unlucky enough to lose a cam on a climb, i chalk it up to a loss and go buy another. i'd never hold my breath waiting for someone to return it to me....


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paul, i still owe you a speed ascent of something out here in RR, but i dont do belay b*tch.

josh, you call that a gauntlet? please. :roll:

So you're saying you'd have no problem keeping up with paul?

Paul- I think he's challenging you.

josh


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...While following they missed some cams in a crack and assumed we ran the route out.

Was this 2 parties of 2 with the second party pink pointing? Or was this a party of 3? I'm curious as to why you had gear that wasn't clipped to the rope.

The big wall mantra of "If it's not tied it's gone." comes to mind. If it's a party of 3 then the second should have reclipped the second rope into the gear. No more lost gear. If it's 2 parties of 2 you should have had separate racks. The only thing that comes to mind is if the second on the first party was a worthless gym rat and couldn't figure out how to clean a piece or two.


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Come on guys, you will find and booty enough gear in your life that it is better to be decent in your responses, lest someone not return you the favor.

I didn't find one, but if you come to Tahquitz and let me sandbag you for a weekend, I will give you a Rock Empire cam to replace the one you lost. Your choice of cam, my choice of routes.

I'm serious about this.

And John, the offer stands for you as well, however, you must follow ME up some routes for a weekend. Bring some batteries for that headlamp for Saturday night, but don't bother bring a sleeping bag. There will be no sleeping. You can keep up, I will give you a Rock Empire cam of mine, again, your choice.

I'm serious about this one too.

TRADitionally yours,

Cali Dirtbag

Hey dipstick,

IT's been said already, but who would want a crappy robot cam anyway?

Feck speed ascents, I got stuff you will be lucky to get up at all. Maybe they are sandbags, maybe not, you'll just have to come see hahahahaha.

Bring your lard-butt back to the south this fall.

Maybe I'll get busy and post some pics as bait..


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I'm sorry, I like to get my FA's without leading on aids too "clean" the route ("Let's clean all that 5.12 off that and get to the 5.7 holds underneath"), then headpointing, then preprotecting it for a lead, THEN after working the new 5.4 into submission, finally leading it. Besides, how high is that choss out there on them river banks anyways Sonny-boy? Like 15-20 feet?

No thanks, come to California where the rock is big, the cracks are vertical (a horizontal crack isn't even a crack, it's a granny-rail), and the "hot" chicks are the ones with scars on their elbows, triceps, and backs of their hands, not the ones with greater than half of their teeth still there and a family tree that looks more like a braided and intertwined rope than a forked tree.

Come out to here, where we use aid to make stuff harder, not easier.

Can your Governor bench press 500 pounds?

TRADitionally yours,

Cali Dirtbag


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An entertaining flame fest this post is.


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Can your Governor bench press 500 pounds?

:lol: :lol: :lol:


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I'm sorry, I like to get my FA's without leading on aids too "clean" the route ("Let's clean all that 5.12 off that and get to the 5.7 holds underneath"), then headpointing, then preprotecting it for a lead, THEN after working the new 5.4 into submission, finally leading it. Besides, how high is that choss out there on them river banks anyways Sonny-boy? Like 15-20 feet?

No thanks, come to California where the rock is big, the cracks are vertical (a horizontal crack isn't even a crack, it's a granny-rail), and the "hot" chicks are the ones with scars on their elbows, triceps, and backs of their hands, not the ones with greater than half of their teeth still there and a family tree that looks more like a braided and intertwined rope than a forked tree.

Come out to here, where we use aid to make stuff harder, not easier.

Can your Governor bench press 500 pounds?

TRADitionally yours,

Cali Dirtbag

Well lest's see, here we climb 5.4 with NO hands on lead, think you could 'handle' that? I doubt it.

By your rediculous ranting I gather that you are some sort of 5.7 top roper... OR an A0 kind of guy.

If you ever do make it east and south you will surely go home with your tail between your legs.


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If you ever do make it east and south you will surely go home with your tail between your legs.

And your mom on his tick list....


josh


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Can you ghey spraylord guys no split this thread and skullfuk each other under the appropriate subject line? Is that not in the TOSser? It should be. FECKHEADS.

To the guy who lost the cam: Get good at cleaning gear; I mean learn all of the tricks. Like the two nut tool technique of working triggers. Then you can clean all of those pieces mere gumbies thought hopelessly lost. Then you can supplement your lost cams on one side of the ballance sheet, lose a few biners on the other side. It all evens out. The booty universe once gave me a Spyderco parachuter's knife. But alas, it took it away one fine day. Maybe you will find it and claim it as yours.


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Can you ghey spraylord guys no split this thread and skullfuk each other under the appropriate subject line? Is that not in the TOSser? It should be. FECKHEADS.

To the guy who lost the cam: Get good at cleaning gear; I mean learn all of the tricks. Like the two nut tool technique of working triggers. Then you can clean all of those pieces mere gumbies thought hopelessly lost. Then you can supplement your lost cams on one side of the ballance sheet, lose a few biners on the other side. It all evens out. The booty universe once gave me a Spyderco parachuter's knife. But alas, it took it away one fine day. Maybe you will find it and claim it as yours.

Party Pooper!


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If you ever do make it east and south you will surely go home with your tail between your legs.

And your mom on his tick list....


josh

And your mom has a nice house with a very, very warm shower. ..

As you were. . .


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I found a Spyderco knife once. Maple Canyon, UT circa June, 2002.


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finally, if i'm dumb/unlucky enough to lose a cam on a climb, i chalk it up to a loss and go buy another. i'd never hold my breath waiting for someone to return it to me....

Haw haw! I'd be too embarrassed to ask for it back, especially if I lost several on one route! Get smarter partners. :P


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I feel that maybe you need to rethink what the climbing community is all about. If you find someone's gear the right thing to do is ask the party ahead of you if they lost it. Don't wait until someone ask you. Next time you lose something on a climbing I hope someone returns it to you then you will relize it never about booty

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