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rvarhd
May 23, 2004, 5:04 PM
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Well which category would Top Roping be considered. I know the three mainly refer to leading, but would top rope fall in one?
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maculated
May 23, 2004, 5:16 PM
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You can toprope in sport, trad, and aid.
Since you generally are thinking of free climbing (without the use of gear to get up a route), your sense of TR would eliminate aid.
In general, TRing gets lumped into face climbing versus crack climbing.
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rvarhd
May 25, 2004, 3:46 PM
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face climbing vs. crack climbing?
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robmcc
May 25, 2004, 4:01 PM
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None of the above. That's kinda like asking if a bike is a car or a plane. It's neither. I'll go for aid on top rope, but that's a different question. How do you protect yourself (lead/toprope/nothing)? vs How do you ascend the rock (free/aid)?
As Maculated said, you _can_ top rope anything, but then IMO you're top roping. I top roped a sport climb. I've also top roped really short routes (25-30') which some might call boulder problems. I wasn't sport climbing or bouldering, I was top roping. I dunno if that's what she meant, but that's my take on it.
Rob
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gds
May 25, 2004, 4:03 PM
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In reply to: In general, TRing gets lumped into face climbing versus crack climbing.
What? There is no difference in TR'ng crack vs. face. I think you are TR'ng when you use a TR. Lots of cracks are climbed using TR's.
For example here in AZ lots of folks TR at Paradise Forks. Yes he cracks can be led, but if you set up a TR on them then you are TR'ng/
No?
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mackavus
May 25, 2004, 4:05 PM
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Sometimes I go climbing on rocks. Sometimes I put a rope on when I climb the rocks. Regardless of whatever the hell I was doing I was still climbing the rocks though. When I got home and was asked where I was I say "I was climbing on the rocks." Labels and numbers are bad m'kay....
Go climb on rocks.
Peace.
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rrrADAM
May 25, 2004, 4:19 PM
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Not the right choices.
Ways to ascend:
-Free
-Aid
Other ways to ascend:
-Top Rope
-Lead
-Free solo
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robmcc
May 25, 2004, 4:21 PM
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In reply to: In reply to: In general, TRing gets lumped into face climbing versus crack climbing. What? There is no difference in TR'ng crack vs. face.
There's a world of difference in technique, of course.
I think the theme here is that there are lots of different ways to slice up "climbing", and many of them overlap. The short answer is: No. Top roping does not fall into one category from the set sport, trad, and aid.
Next.
Rob
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gds
May 25, 2004, 4:25 PM
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In reply to: [ There's a world of difference in technique, of course. I think the theme here is that there are lots of different ways to slice up "climbing", and many of them overlap. The short answer is: No. Top roping does not fall into one category from the set sport, trad, and aid. Next. Rob
Yes I agree that the climbing technique will be different but the means of protecting the climb is identical.
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rvarhd
May 25, 2004, 4:48 PM
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In reply to: Sometimes I go climbing on rocks. Sometimes I put a rope on when I climb the rocks. Regardless of whatever the hell I was doing I was still climbing the rocks though. When I got home and was asked where I was I say "I was climbing on the rocks." Labels and numbers are bad m'kay.... Go climb on rocks. Peace.
Honestly I agree with you entirely, but since we are unfortunetly in the minority, I figured I at least try to understand what everyone was talking about.
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wideguy
May 25, 2004, 5:26 PM
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In reply to: Not the right choices. Ways to ascend: -Free -Aid Other ways to ascend: -Top Rope -Lead -Free solo
Wouldn't the second set be more correctly classified as way to protect while ascending?
Kind of a blurry line but you certainly shouldn't be ascending your TR. Right? :?
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crazygirl
May 25, 2004, 5:39 PM
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its like this:
Q:Where do you put face vs crack climbing discussion?
A: in general
Q: where do you put top rope discussions?
A: in general
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curt
May 25, 2004, 5:40 PM
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I was trying to stay the hell out of this, but there still seems to be some confusion.
Sport Climbs.......
Trad Climbs........
Top Roped Climbs (which can include both the above) plus others like TR boulder problems.......
Can all be done either Free, or by using Aid. If you are climbing by any one of the styles above--and you weight the rope or pull on gear, you have invalidated a Free ascent possibility by employing a point of Aid.
Curt
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imnotbob
May 25, 2004, 5:50 PM
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The way I see it...
Ways to ascend:
free
aid
How will you protect yourself should you fall during free climbing?
top rope
traditional protection
clipping bolts
crash pad
I won't (free solo)
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capn_morgan
May 25, 2004, 6:02 PM
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Some confusion may be a result of the way that many people utalize a top rope belay setup. If Im a gumbie and want that super tight belay that helps me get that move, is that free top roping or top aid roping...or am I missing something?
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Curt, you must be a masochist. Or are you looking for GOTY nominees?
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