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drockclimb
Jul 15, 2004, 1:23 AM
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Just wondering, how many of each hook do you carry on your rack? I have one of everything but I think doubles would work a lot better in some situations...especially with the cam hooks. Thanks.
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epic_ed
Jul 15, 2004, 4:37 AM
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Depends on where and what you're climbing. Long grade Vi's in the Valley? Better bring an arsenal of hooks. Just learning hooks on single pitch stuff? Get the basics.
I'd strongly recommend getting two BD Talons for their versatility. Certainly doubles in cam hooks (middle and large size) if you'll be climbing a route that requires them.
Specialized hooks? I can't stand the cam hooks from Pika, but I've found the larger Ibis hook useful in Yosemite. Better yet, I got a hold of some Verm hooks at the Mountain Shop in Yos. Very nice, sturdy cargo hooks. I prefer them over the Pika stuff.
Most climbers file down the ends of their larger hooks to a point like the cargo hooks, the cliffhanger, and the grappling hook. I haven't done that and probably will with at least a couple of them for more secure placement on some of the manufactured hook moves on trade routes in Yosemite.
Ed
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iamthewallress
Jul 15, 2004, 9:03 AM
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Why file a cargo hook? Have you had problems getting it into bolt hangers? I wouldn't use one on an old bolt.
The flat end of J's coveted big Verm hook gives it extra stability and, to my non-technical best guess, spreads my weight around the POS flake that it often gets used on.
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tomtom
Jul 15, 2004, 3:58 PM
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Newbie Question:
What is a cargo hook?
Thanks.
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jv
Jul 15, 2004, 4:19 PM
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At least doubles of each because you may have two placements in a row that require the same kind of hook. Rarely you will use two or even three hooks equalized, so you may need more than two of the same.
JV
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ricardol
Jul 15, 2004, 5:11 PM
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the # of hooks is route dependent .. (like everything else in climbing -- "it depends!") ..
.. i carry double sets racked separately, in case i manage to drop one ..
.. i only carry 1 set of cam hooks though ..
.. about filing .. i think thats useful in harder aid .. for moderate routes its not neccesary to file down your hooks ..
-- ricardo
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coylec
Jul 15, 2004, 6:29 PM
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Howdy!
When you finish, you're going to want two sets of hooks. I'd recommend tying each set with different color webbing, so its easy to "rack them for redundancy." Check out Dr. Piton's answer regarding hooks if want the long version.
Cam hooks ... they are the most useful (IMHO) hooks, but also the scariest. Your standard hook works like a clothes hanger -- you put it over something and wiegh it. A cam hook works because you've put into a crack and then weight it, CAMMING the hook into position. Using the first link on found on google, there's a nice picture of what htey look like. You have them slung through the hole.
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areyoumydude
Jul 17, 2004, 11:29 PM
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In reply to: doubles of cam hooks are almost mandatory.
Mandatory for what? Eating your tuna fish. :lol: They are hardly mandatory on the big stone.
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coylec
Jul 17, 2004, 11:52 PM
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In reply to: In reply to: doubles of cam hooks are almost mandatory. . Mandatory for what? Eating your tuna fish. :lol: They are hardly mandatory on the big stone.
depends where you are ... a single set won't last long when you leave them for pro or have two hooks in a row ... imagine standing on your one BAT hook looking at a little drill hole from your topstep. Won't you feel silly then?
coylec
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areyoumydude
Jul 18, 2004, 12:43 AM
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In reply to: In reply to: In reply to: doubles of cam hooks are almost mandatory. . Mandatory for what? Eating your tuna fish. :lol: They are hardly mandatory on the big stone. depends where you are ... a single set won't last long when you leave them for pro or have two hooks in a row ... imagine standing on your one BAT hook looking at a little drill hole from your topstep. Won't you feel silly then? coylec
I have much better ways of making myself feel silly :lol:
What does standing on a bat hook have to do with cam hooks? :?
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coylec
Jul 18, 2004, 12:57 AM
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the original question referred to hooks (in general, not cam hooks).
i'd still carry two sets of cam hooks, too -- sometimes a crack will only take the narrow one and if you're standing on it ...
I also have ways of making myself feel silly, such has running out of nuts on a climb ... I'd rather have too much than too little, but once again, its just my opinion.
coylec
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holdplease2
Jul 18, 2004, 5:04 AM
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Not that I condone dropping things...
But. You usually have more than one of regular sized cams and nuts on your rack. You drop one, you might well get by.
But if you need a bathook or a cam hook, and you drop the only one you've got, you could be in a world of hurt.
You could always leave one as pro or whatever, but you could also lower down and get it if you need it unless you are standing on it.
-Kate.
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jimdavis
Jul 18, 2004, 5:14 AM
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The way I learned was to carry doubles of whatever you have.
Hooks are sketchy in general...I'd definitly want to make sure if the next more takes what I'm already standing on, that I won't have to "make do" with something else.
Cheers,
Jim
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punk
Sep 11, 2004, 7:36 PM
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http://home.comcast.net/~nericarmi/Hooks.jpg
This is what I carry. I do double on Cliffhanger (pointed) and Medium and Large camhooks and also carry a Leeper Bathook too
[Edited for spelling]
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benpullin
Sep 11, 2004, 8:57 PM
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I rig a reg. cam hook on each of my aider pairs ( I use 4-aider method). That way, when the climbing gets easy, you can boogie with the cam hooks ("crack jugging") and don't have to mess with the rack.
If you haven't used cam hooks in Yos granite, you don't know what you're missing.
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drake
Sep 12, 2004, 1:13 AM
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The cam hooks are my favorite. :D
drake
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