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actionfigure
Aug 24, 2004, 3:36 PM
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How many routes should you have to do in places like, Red Rocks or Yosemite or Josh, to call yourself a local? 100?
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thun
Aug 24, 2004, 3:38 PM
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living near there isn't enough to be a local?
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crackmd
Aug 24, 2004, 3:44 PM
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Downgrading routes that you have done dozens of times and have every single move worked makes you a local Mc#$*yokal.
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tedc
Aug 24, 2004, 3:44 PM
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IMHO, you have to actually contribute something positive to the area to be considered a "local". You have to actually have something "invested" in the area. The more routes you climb, without "giving back", the more of a "tourist" and less of a local you become. Just climbing routes will never be enough.
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The most common answer to this timeless question has to be:
If you have to ask....
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dingus
Aug 24, 2004, 3:50 PM
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In reply to: How many routes should you have to do in places like, Red Rocks or Yosemite or Josh, to call yourself a local? 100?
It varies. Let me consult the manual...
OK, here we go:
Red Rocks - 50 trad routes II or longer, or 500 sport sends, PLUS at least one wall. Combo deals can be negotiated.
Yosemite - 5 trade walls, minimum of one true hard aid route, 50 routes grade III or longer, lead all 5.10's on the Cookie, Arch Rock and at Reeds. Free solo Nutcracker every Sunday evening for 7 weeks straight. Try to reach the Bolt Hold on Midnight Lightning. Give at least one Valley hardman legend a ride to the Bar. Out drink that person, pour her into her tent, get her ass back up the next morning and take her climbing, getting her to fall following the crux of her own route, lol! And if you haven't done a stint on the SAR site don't even bother filling out the application!
Josh - simple, you have to have 3 consecutive El Cap days, or 2000 route ticks, which ever comes first.
Tennessee Wall - local status??? Easy, a 3rd eye in the middle of your forehead (you better pray son, and you better pray GOOD), a slim jim and an old pickup truck with a rifle in the back window.
Gunks - 75 routes up to 5.9, another 35 5.10's or one good 5.11, like say Talus Food (route ticks, like the grades themselves, are underinflated at the Gunks!)
Black Hills - climb like a Souix Indian, qiuetly, and leave without telling anyone you were there, ever.
A sampling from the manual.
DMT
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overlord
Aug 24, 2004, 3:57 PM
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you basicly need to know tha area really well.
then you need to invest some of your time for the common good.
and you have to think "what are those bloody tourists doing on my warmup" every time you encounter an unknown party.
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euroford
Aug 24, 2004, 4:15 PM
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the only thing that can make you a local is if another local refers to you as a local.
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petsfed
Aug 24, 2004, 4:15 PM
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In reply to: ... and you have to think "what are those bloody tourists doing on my warmup" every time you encounter an unknown party.
Don't have to be a local to think that.
/Damn tourists...
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handcrack
Aug 24, 2004, 4:28 PM
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Actually, in Joshua Tree the rule is very clear. Long ago the local powers that be decided that to be considered a local, you must have climbed 1000 routes. If you buy that, I'm guessing there are about 30-40 of us.
Many of the previous definitions are equally valid.
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dingus
Aug 24, 2004, 4:35 PM
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In reply to: Actually, in Joshua Tree the rule is very clear. Long ago the local powers that be decided that to be considered a local, you must have climbed 1000 routes. If you buy that, I'm guessing there are about 30-40 of us. Many of the previous definitions are equally valid.
I was overgrading to make the Gunkie's feel better...
DMT
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tripperjm
Aug 24, 2004, 5:40 PM
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In reply to: Actually, in Joshua Tree the rule is very clear. Long ago the local powers that be decided that to be considered a local, you must have climbed 1000 routes. If you buy that, I'm guessing there are about 30-40 of us.
I'll buy that one!!!1
What I want to know is, am I still a local if I've done more than 1000 routes(way more) some fa's, but haven't climbed out there in 10 years?
I still remember ther area real well, .... dummy domes in low angle wasteland. Sorry couldn't help myself. Now seriously Am I still a local?
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e_wire
Aug 24, 2004, 5:59 PM
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Just climb some diet stuff men... reduce your carb intake, you'll now be on a low-cal climber.
Seriously, what's the point? Do you become SOMEONE after being referred as a local? Is there some climber-world-status-gain in becoming a local?
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euroford
Aug 24, 2004, 6:05 PM
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in asking that question, i must ask, what IS the criteria for being awsome?
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dingus
Aug 24, 2004, 6:07 PM
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In reply to: Seriously, what's the point? Do you become SOMEONE after being referred as a local? Is there some climber-world-status-gain in becoming a local?
There sure is! But we can't tell you about them unless you're a local.
DMT
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e_wire
Aug 24, 2004, 6:13 PM
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In reply to: In reply to: Seriously, what's the point? Do you become SOMEONE after being referred as a local? Is there some climber-world-status-gain in becoming a local? There sure is! But we can't tell you about them unless you're a local. DMT
Ahhhhh men... Anything like "exclusive" parties with out-of-this-world superstar climbers and superb creatures involved? Free beer? Unlimited sex??? Guess I'll have to buy that "Idiots Guide on becoming a local climber" book to find out...
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actionfigure
Aug 24, 2004, 6:13 PM
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e-wire, yes
tripperjm, yes
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curt
Aug 24, 2004, 6:30 PM
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In reply to: In reply to: Actually, in Joshua Tree the rule is very clear. Long ago the local powers that be decided that to be considered a local, you must have climbed 1000 routes. If you buy that, I'm guessing there are about 30-40 of us. I'll buy that one!!!1 What I want to know is, am I still a local if I've done more than 1000 routes(way more) some fa's, but haven't climbed out there in 10 years?
I'm on Todd's list of JT locals. I sure hope I don't lose this status by living in another state now. 8^)
Curt
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itakealot
Aug 24, 2004, 6:37 PM
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You might remember this little diddy by the Surf Punks
My Rock
My Crag
My Route
GO HOME!
GO HOME!
My Bolts
My Shuts
My Glue
GO HOME!
GO HOME!
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curt
Aug 24, 2004, 6:50 PM
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In reply to: Gunks - 75 routes up to 5.9, another 35 5.10's or one good 5.11, like say Talus Food (route ticks, like the grades themselves, are underinflated at the Gunks!)
I qualify as a local there too, I guess--by more than a factor of two. But, how can I be a local in California and New York both--especially when I live in Arizona? Its all so confusing, really. Doesn't this violate the Pauli exclusion principal--or the Heisenberg uncertainty principal? Back to my quantum mechanics, I guess. Hahaha.
Curt
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dingus
Aug 24, 2004, 6:55 PM
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In reply to: Doesn't this violate the Heisenberg uncertainty principal? Curt
Absolutely not my man. The faster you go the harder you are to pin down. The slower you move the easier it is to fix your position.
I would think it rather reaffirms it!
But I'm uncertain.
DMT
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tripperjm
Aug 24, 2004, 7:12 PM
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In reply to: In reply to: In reply to: Actually, in Joshua Tree the rule is very clear. Long ago the local powers that be decided that to be considered a local, you must have climbed 1000 routes. If you buy that, I'm guessing there are about 30-40 of us. I'll buy that one!!!1 What I want to know is, am I still a local if I've done more than 1000 routes(way more) some fa's, but haven't climbed out there in 10 years? I'm on Todd's list of JT locals. I sure hope I don't lose this status by living in another state now. 8^) Curt
You mean there is a list of locals now???? Christ, I hope I haven't somehow fallen off the list! You know after I was lured to the Dark Side, I did get a lot of hate mail and phone calls. The best one was that I "was single handedly destroying rock climbing in America" HAHAHA!!!1 In my defense, during those early transition years, I would make myself avalible for my critics at Todd's b-day and Holloween parties....everybody said they still liked me!!!!?
Some how I must get a look at that list! Maybe ...I could retract all those silly things I said about Josh? You think that might help restore me into good graces with the "local powers that be"? I know Todd... I think he'll still remember me?! Curt, any help I could get in resolving this matter would be appreciated. Thanks
ps. Did I see you agreeing with Joe in another thread? OMFG
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curt
Aug 24, 2004, 7:16 PM
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Jack,
The "list" is posted on Todd's website. And, yes Joe did actually say something that made sense finally. We'll see if it happens again. Haha.
Curt
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tripperjm
Aug 24, 2004, 7:44 PM
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In reply to: Jack, The "list" is posted on Todd's website. Curt
I went to Todd's site, I guess there is a list of locals! I saw a listing for locals- high desert and locals- 1000+. Unfortunately it was in a members only area, so I didn't get to see the lists.
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vivalargo
Aug 25, 2004, 7:54 PM
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I will always feel myself a local at Mt. Roubidoux, Yosemite, Idylwild, and Josh because I grew up at these areas, and every profile of most every rock triggers memories and feelings and a sense that here, I belong. I climbed many, many days at all of these areas but that seems secondary to the feelings of belonging, of being native to the terrain.
JL
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