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nistrong
Aug 26, 2004, 10:57 PM
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All good points, petsfed. They don't exactly have anything to do with what I was saying or whether or not I am familiar with the area (which I am), but good points nonetheless. The specific routes and bolts you are referring to are irrelevant to my points. Obviously, you know the area well and are well versed on the bolting ethics debate, but one chop creates a precedent for another. Unless it's a committee that gathers a majority consensus of opinion, any chop will be outside the lines of acceptable practice in my opinion.
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lokiraven
Aug 27, 2004, 3:56 AM
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Chopping sux. Dont like'em, dont use'em. Leave'em for the next guy to make the same call.
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angelaa
Aug 30, 2004, 7:53 PM
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Anyone heard if the Parabolic Slab rappel anchors have been replaced yet? I will be up there this weekend and I have a few friends who are new to climbing who would just LOVE that view and the 'exciting' rappel. If no one knows for sure if it is there, I will just have to go up without them first and if it isn't there rap of the other anchor or practice my downclimbing. I will update this post next week with any anchors I saw missing or those that I KNOW are still there. Vedauwoo Labor day weekend, it'll be a Zoo!! :D
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angelaa
Sep 8, 2004, 4:24 PM
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Well, the bolt hangers are still on the Parabolic Slab and to the Left of Mother #1 on Nautilus. All the areas I climbed in had the bolts and hangers intact. . . .
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slablizard
Sep 8, 2004, 5:08 PM
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Why climb it at all then? Just stay put and don't smear that horrible chalk/rubber over some "pristine" piece of rock nobody but climbers care about. :evil: You bolt hater-"I'm pure"- hanger-chopper- envious stuck in a 5.7 chimney are just pathetic. Enough already! Wake up! It's 2004, bolt war ended 20 years ago remember? Train harder and stop bragging about a 5.8 crack nobody cares about. Geez! Only in America!
In reply to: I do not think that a face that can be top roped easily should be bolted, what is the point in deface the enviroment for the benefit of ones ego? The challenge exists wheter the rock is ruined by some rap bolter or if the face is left pristine for all to enjoy. If a newbie falls off of a rock whilst descending then they do not have the proper skill set to be there and got what they deserve. Climbing is about challenging oneself and accepting the fact that it is dangerous. Tell me why most climbing accidents occur while rappelling? photon, your point hold no water and I cannot see any relevance with it. I have earned everything that is mine and I take responsibilities for all my actions, so I do not see how getting rid of my computer would be related in my belief that climbers need to be self reliant. I do not take my computer climbing and I do not rely on the internet or anyone who camps on the internet a valid source of anything other then opinions. And yes pagen I agree my words are my opinions the only difference is that I act on what I say whereas most of the people here do nothing other then spray conjecture and poor advice.
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andersjr
Jul 17, 2005, 11:51 PM
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If you are going to Jurrasic Park, either pack plenty of gear (small pieces, 1s & 2s) or bring up a hanger and a nut to put a new hanger up. Someone took the bolts of Mud in Your Eye, and there is a crack, but you need a shitload of pieces to create a good anchor. When a guidebook says that there will be bolts somewhere, there should be bolts to avoid a dangerous situation. People dying is not worth it to try and fight this fight.
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mistajman
Jul 17, 2005, 11:54 PM
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While climbing at the jurassic park area we noticed that the bolt hangers at the top of mud in your eye and the two climbs to the left were gone.
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