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cdb1386
Sep 13, 2004, 4:25 PM
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Well Dr. Piton's gear list isn't working and neither is the search funtion so,
What are your recommendations for a tag line? Diameter? Length?
Thanks,
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cdb1386
Sep 13, 2004, 5:09 PM
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Yeah, I'm thinking 60m - 7mm, but I wanted some opinions.
Thx
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lambone
Sep 13, 2004, 5:26 PM
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I prefer a real rope to 200ft of accesory chord.
I use an 8mm 60m static line that BD was selling for a while. I think made by Beal.
You can fix pitches with it, rap on it without shitting your pants, haul with it...yeah, a rope....not a ball of twine.
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flamer
Sep 13, 2004, 7:45 PM
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In reply to: I prefer a real rope to 200ft of accesory chord. I use an 8mm 60m static line that BD was selling for a while. I think made by Beal. You can fix pitches with it, rap on it without s--- your pants, haul with it...yeah, a rope....not a ball of twine.
Agreed.
josh
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cdb1386
Sep 13, 2004, 7:53 PM
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Are you referring to this one?
http://www.blackdiamondequipment.com/gear/rock/trailine.php
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litedawg
Sep 13, 2004, 8:02 PM
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pardon my ignorance;
What is a tag line?
After someone defines it I probably know what it is, just by a differant name.
thanx
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holdplease2
Sep 13, 2004, 8:05 PM
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For *soloing* I use a 6 mil 60 foot peice of chord. It does not get tangled because i keep it in a small bag attached to my harness. It is just the right diameter that if I have heavy stuff on it (nailing rack, the haul line, water, 3/4 of the lead rack) an ascender can be used to hold it.
If the idea of using a tag rack is to "lead light" then this is perfect. 3/4 of the rack, the weight of the haul line (clip the end of the haul line to the tag rack/bag instead of to the back of your harness), and the weight of water are replaced by the weight of a 60 feet of almost nothing.
I can lead an aid pitch with no more than about 10 pounds of gear on my body at any point in time. Nice.
Sure, you have to tag every 60 feet, 2-3 tags per pitch. But if you are using the tag rack to be light, you should need to tag this often anyway...you don't start the pitch with enough gear to finish it using this method.
This is how I like to do it, it works for me. Not saying its the best way, just my way. I hate leading wearing a ton of crap and using dodgy gear with an extra 40 lbs on my person. Eck.
It takes some getting used too and planning ahead, for sure, but its worth it in the end.
-Kate.
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In reply to: In reply to: I prefer a real rope to 200ft of accesory chord. I use an 8mm 60m static line that BD was selling for a while. I think made by Beal. You can fix pitches with it, rap on it without s--- your pants, haul with it...yeah, a rope....not a ball of twine. Agreed. josh
I use the same line myself.
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benpullin
Sep 13, 2004, 8:23 PM
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I also have used that line as a tag line, climbing with a partner.
My experience is that unless you absoluely need it (tons of pins, big gear etc.) it's more trouble than it's worth. I didn't find myself needing to pull up any gear, the small rope gets tangled more easily, and its harder IMO to manage. Plus, it's another rope that you'll need to carry/haul/etc. After a couple pitches, it ended up in the haul bag - dead weight.
I can understand not wanting to be loaded down with a big rack but I think it's faster (=better) to just carry the weight and have what you need than call up for gear a few times per pitch.
I haven't done any routes harder than A3/C3, but just my 2 cents...
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brianinslc
Sep 13, 2004, 8:26 PM
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60m of Espirit's 6mm personal alpine escape rope...fed out of a Imlay "Baguette" rope bucket.
If I think I'll need a back up to my lead line, I'll just use an old climbing rope.
Or...I like a 3/8" static line too.
Also have 60m of 6mm Kevlar...
Brian in SLC
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lambone
Sep 13, 2004, 11:51 PM
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In reply to: Are you referring to this one? http://www.blackdiamondequipment.com/gear/rock/trailine.php In reply to: I prefer a real rope to 200ft of accesory chord. I use an 8mm 60m static line that BD was selling for a while. I think made by Beal. You can fix pitches with it, rap on it without s--- your pants, haul with it...yeah, a rope....not a ball of twine.
yes, only the one I have is blue green.
I'm not saying it's the best line of it's class. The sheath has proven to be very wimpy. But it was on sale via the BD specials a while back, probly a color change.
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coylec
Sep 14, 2004, 4:01 AM
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In reply to: For *soloing* I use a 6 mil 60 foot peice of chord. It does not get tangled because i keep it in a small bag attached to my harness. It is just the right diameter that if I have heavy stuff on it (nailing rack, the haul line, water, 3/4 of the lead rack) an ascender can be used to hold it.
You can also use a protraxion. It gives you the advantage of having a pulley so you can clip it to the piece you're on and haul up with two hands -- could be quicker. It'll work with small cord.
Sidenote: If you have problems with the PTPP Index, please PM me with specifics. I'm maintaining that reference.
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cgailey
Sep 14, 2004, 5:44 AM
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In reply to: yes, only the one I have is blue green. I'm not saying it's the best line of it's class. The sheath has proven to be very wimpy. But it was on sale via the BD specials a while back, probly a color change.
It is now a lovely purple color...
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pbjosh
Sep 14, 2004, 5:59 AM
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Keep in mind that if you like using gri-gri's and want to rappel on a haul/tag line, you'll likely have slippage problems on 8mm lines, definitely on anything smaller. I'm wishing I had bought a 9mm or larger line instead of 8 and change for this reason. If you're solo'ing you'll likely be rappeling your haul line. Of course you can use an ATC to rap with, but a gri-gri can be more convenient and save energy.
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glockaroo
Sep 14, 2004, 3:36 PM
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In reply to: I prefer a real rope to 200ft of accesory chord. I use an 8mm 60m static line that BD was selling for a while. I think made by Beal. You can fix pitches with it, rap on it without s--- your pants, haul with it...yeah, a rope....not a ball of twine.
Agreed. 8mm minimum. I fixed to Sickle w/ some friends one year and a 7mm cord was the last section to the ground. Rapping on that was the scariest part of the climb for me.
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flynbrian
Sep 14, 2004, 3:58 PM
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6mm static line right off the spool for rappin'
OR a 8.5 double rope when climbing w/ a party of 3
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