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tradman
Sep 27, 2004, 2:45 PM
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I've got a pair of Grivel G-14 crampons which I use with Nepal Extreme boots. They ball snow like crazy - anyone got any good tips on whether it's worth making my own anti-bot plates or should I just buy some?
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jer
Sep 27, 2004, 3:10 PM
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go to http://www.rockandice.com
then click on "guides tip";
then look for "snow be gone", or "snow free", or something like that.
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soccer_fan
Sep 27, 2004, 4:05 PM
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The R&I article mentions that there are some conditions that it is unwise to have abs plates on, can anyone elaborate?
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tradman
Sep 28, 2004, 11:56 AM
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Yeah, the plates shorten the effective length of your points a little, which can be bad on, say, hard ice or nevee with a layer of slush on top. or any other time when you need every millimetre of point.
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urbansherpa
Sep 28, 2004, 1:31 PM
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I once used that polyethylene stuff they make kids 'Crazy Carpet' toboggans with (the thin sheet plastic, roll-up sled) , shiny side down, ....along with a handful of zip-ties. Worked fine, total cost $5.
For most snow my Simond Makalus don't need antibottes, though....no balling probs.
Karl Roberts
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anykineclimb
Sep 28, 2004, 2:00 PM
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Duct tape!!
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rendog
Sep 30, 2004, 2:35 AM
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for years I used a piece of a plastic ice cream buck and some mechanics wire
if you can find the wire it's cheap (go to the garage they will probably give you a hank for free) then eat a bucket of ice cream (and come on really who isn't going to enjoy that huh?)
cut out the shape for the crampon, wire it in place...and presto anti-bot plates.
cheap and fun to make
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timstich
Oct 8, 2004, 3:51 PM
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Some hobby and/or hardware stores sell thick plastic stock you can cut to make things with. My anti-ball plates on my ice riders are a pliable plastic that looks like it would make good truck floor mats. Are you do-it-yourselfers using plastic ratchet ties to affix the plates? Seems like the obvious choice.
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tradklime
Oct 11, 2004, 3:45 PM
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I use bailing wire. I think it's more durable, especially in the cold.
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pheenixx
Oct 11, 2004, 4:18 PM
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In reply to: I use bailing wire. I think it's more durable, especially in the cold.
Can you give some more beta details as to what THIS is...?? Sorry if I'm nieve, I live in Phoenix...
I have heard "duct-tape" can be the answer once again. Haven't tried it myself but an ice climber I met in Ouray said it stuck pretty well and did the job for her mono-pts.
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tradklime
Oct 11, 2004, 5:39 PM
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In reply to: Are you do-it-yourselfers using plastic ratchet ties to affix the plates? Seems like the obvious choice.
Sorry, my comment was directed towards this. I have found that "zip ties" get brittle when cold and won't hold up to abuse from rocks.
I've made nice antiballing plates from a material called hypalon (sp?), just happened to have a scrap around, I don't know when you would buy it. I then punched holes and reinforced with metal grommets. Then I attached them with bailing wire.
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mustclimb69
Oct 11, 2004, 6:17 PM
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OK, take an empty 2 litre (CDN term) plastic pop bottle. Cut to fit and use small zip ties (cable ties) to hold in place.
Cheap effictive and easy to do.
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timstich
Oct 11, 2004, 9:57 PM
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In reply to: In reply to: I use bailing wire. I think it's more durable, especially in the cold. Can you give some more beta details as to what THIS is...?? Sorry if I'm nieve, I live in Phoenix...
Well, you want your anti-balling plates to fit the space between your crampon points. If you have flexible crampons, you need to cut two plates per crampon. You should be able to get away with one plate for rigids. The grommet renforces the holes you cut in the plate material, but if you use something thick, you may be able to skip the grommets.
Plastic ratchet-ties are flat sided, but wire might cut through your material. Another variation would be to use small hose clamps. A substitute for using grommets on your attachment hole might be to pad your attachment wire with a plastic sleeve. Anything to spread out the pressure of the wire on the cutout hole would be good.
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