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equalized
Oct 19, 2004, 6:16 AM
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munkeyboy
Oct 19, 2004, 6:37 AM
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It means to just climb the rope hand over hand, either with your feet on the rock or not.
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cgailey
Oct 19, 2004, 7:18 AM
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In reply to: It means to just climb the rope hand over hand, either with your feet on the rock or not.
Um, no
It's done with your belay device...set your feet and jump up while at the same time pulling rope through the device as you would when taking out slack as a top rope belayer...and don't forget to lock off ;). Just a way to ascend the rope while on rappell...not recommended for those less than bomber anchors!
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adeptus
Oct 19, 2004, 7:46 AM
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In reply to: It means to just climb the rope hand over hand, either with your feet on the rock or not.
munkeyboy is right. Haven't you seen the old Batman TV-series? They do it all the time. It looks really funny :D
I only use that trick to ascend fix ropes on alpine climbs to save time.
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cgailey
Oct 19, 2004, 3:47 PM
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I'm sure we could debate this one...but not worth it ;) The only time I "batman" is when I need to ascend a rope on rappell. A good example of this is when I started to rap into a climb at Lion's Head, realizing it was not the one I thought it was. But no worry...just reach into my batman bag of tricks and voila!, back to the top of the cliff...
Original poster...I'm sure both examples could be considered batman-ing :righton:
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neuroshock
Oct 19, 2004, 4:39 PM
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i'm in agreement with munkeyboy's description. for example, if i take a lead fall on a sportclimb, i'll typically "batman" up the rope (pulling on the belay side of the rope) to my highest clipped bolt.
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robmcc
Oct 19, 2004, 4:45 PM
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In reply to: It's done with your belay device...set your feet and jump up while at the same time pulling rope through the device as you would when taking out slack as a top rope belayer...and don't forget to lock off ;). Just a way to ascend the rope while on rappell...not recommended for those less than bomber anchors!
I have to disagree, too. Munkeyboy nailed it.
BTW, what you're describing doesn't work well if at all in my experience. Maybe on a static rope or a really short climb. I always end up taking in a good bit of rope (way more than I can vertically jump) just to get bodyweight tension on the rope.
Rob
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caughtinside
Oct 19, 2004, 4:48 PM
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In reply to: In reply to: It means to just climb the rope hand over hand, either with your feet on the rock or not. Um, no It's done with your belay device...set your feet and jump up while at the same time pulling rope through the device as you would when taking out slack as a top rope belayer...and don't forget to lock off ;). Just a way to ascend the rope while on rappell...not recommended for those less than bomber anchors!
I'm going to jump on you too, since you regularly provide misinformation. I'm still chuckling about how you said DMM cams had plastic parts. Monkeyboy was right.
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davidji
Oct 19, 2004, 4:48 PM
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In reply to: i'm in agreement with munkeyboy's description. for example, if i take a lead fall on a sportclimb, i'll typically "batman" up the rope (pulling on the belay side of the rope) to my highest clipped bolt. |
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superdiamonddave
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In reply to: It means to just climb the rope hand over hand, either with your feet on the rock or not.
Agreed!
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chriss
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batman - (verb) to climb a fixed rope "hand-over-hand" with feet against the wall.
From the 60's Batman series with Adam West not the cartoon. Watch the show sometime and you'll see an expert example of this.
chris
(edit for typo)
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hahahha, those pictures are awesome, be careful when batman-ing up a free hanging rope though, as it is quickly tiresome and can have some really bad side-effects (see Yuji get f***ed in The Professionals) :shock:
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sarcat
Oct 19, 2004, 9:17 PM
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Ummmm..... Looks like Batman & Robin are up to something else in that first picture. Scary.
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maculated
Oct 19, 2004, 9:20 PM
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Holy rope climbing, Batman!
/Robin
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To Batman can also be something different. It's a technique for getting back up to your last bolt when you've fallen on the steeps and can't reach the wall from where you are. It's also known as a Superman or Boinking.
Step 1: Belayer jumps in the air and take up slack with jump. Belayer should be sitting in the air with full weight on rope.
Step 2: Climber [dangling] graps the rope above their head, does a pull-up and lets go quickly... boinking back down onto the rope. The boink causes the belayer to sink down and the climber to rise.
Step 3: Climber repeats Step 2 until belayer is back on the ground.
Step 4: Belayer repeats step 1 so that climber can continue with Step 3.
Step 5: repeat above ad nauseum.
It's worth noting that this is a slow method and can be harder with thin ropes. My 9.7mm lead rope turns to dental floss after a big fall and it gets hard to pull up on it. I've boinked back up something like 15 to 20 feet before though... it sucks and you're probably better off just coming down resting and climbing again.
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An example of boinking can be seen in this video... it's about 2/3 of the way through.
http://www.drtopo.com/quebec/zebree.html
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pancaketom
Oct 19, 2004, 9:49 PM
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No, batman and superman are not equal, and neither are their climbing techniques.
I am with the majority for the batman definition, and what cgailey was describing is more like solo boinking, and we all know about that.
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sarcat
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Do sport-only climbers even know what prusiks are? It was a few years climbing before I knew what one was, how to use it etc. and that was because of rescue training.
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fiend
Oct 19, 2004, 10:34 PM
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Boinking is best used when you only have a few feet to pull up. Much faster than prussiks.
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cgailey
Oct 20, 2004, 7:42 AM
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In reply to: In reply to: In reply to: It means to just climb the rope hand over hand, either with your feet on the rock or not. Um, no It's done with your belay device...set your feet and jump up while at the same time pulling rope through the device as you would when taking out slack as a top rope belayer...and don't forget to lock off ;). Just a way to ascend the rope while on rappell...not recommended for those less than bomber anchors! I'm going to jump on you too, since you regularly provide misinformation. I'm still chuckling about how you said DMM cams had plastic parts. Monkeyboy was right.
Regularly? :? I'll admit to being wrong from time to time, but c'mon. You're welcome for answering that harness question...
In reply to: I am with the majority for the batman definition, and what cgailey was describing is more like solo boinking, and we all know about that.
And I'll begrudgingly change my naming to "solo boinking" (not gonna happily tell people I was "solo boinking") ....always referred to it as Batmanning...go figure.
In reply to: BTW, what you're describing doesn't work well if at all in my experience. Maybe on a static rope or a really short climb. I always end up taking in a good bit of rope (way more than I can vertically jump) just to get bodyweight tension on the rope.
In the case described, it works just fine. I see what you are saying about rope elongation, but this technique is quite useful in a "rap in" climbing area like Lion's Head where rapping into the wrong climb is easy to do.
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brad84
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geez, its taken 2 pages to est that...
im batman
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