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topramen


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Hello everyone

Currently shopping around for a hanging stoves and would like to hear from others who have used them. Im looking at MSR superfly ascent stove and Black Diamonds hanging pot kit. The later I would hook up to what ever canister stove that fits. Also is there anywhere to purchase a bibler hanging stove still. Would had like to made my own, but time has ran out. All advice on hanging stoves will be appreciated Thanks


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Hey there is another hanging stove you should look at, the Markill Stormy. I have heard them highly recomended by a few people I respect and trust.


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I have a Bibler hanging stove. Living in the East, I am not gonna get much use out of it.

If you want to buy it, PM me.

It's seen a couple of walls, but the bags are intact as well as all of the equipment. It functions beautifully. The wind shield's a little dented, but that's to be expected. It's aluminum...they bend back pretty easily!

I attached the lid via a custom wire and swage job to one of the wires on the hanging wind shield. I also got a death-biner (oval) that stays with it.

If you don't buy it, it will sit in my closet some more. I just assume buy a new hanging stove the next time I need one, which is probably going to be at least 3 1/2 years from now. Somebody might as well get some use out of it!

PM me if interested.
-Jason :D


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Your time may not have run out yet.

I made my hanging stove in less than 10 minutes and it works great. I found a super lightweight aluminum pan at a thrift store for 50 cents, drilled a hole in the middle for my canister stove, and poked four holes in the sides to attach picture hanging wire. Then I brought the wire together with a rap ring.

I literally made it in the parking lot before heading up on a wall and it's seen multiple wall use with no problems. It's the perfect size so that my pot set fits in it and stove, canister, etc. fit in the pot. My friend made his with a MSR Trilium Stove Base and it works equally well.

By the way, another friend has a MSR Titanium Hanging Stove Kit that I have used on more than one occasion. I seriously don't notice any difference in quality and negligible difference in weight and size.


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Have you see the Jet-Boil kit yet? http://jetboil.com/ Recommended to boil water with (two cups in less than 2 min), I've actually heated soup in the cup, and on one occsion browned some turkey burger.
It was in my truck on the last drive to the ditch, and on more than one occasion I just rolled down the window for ventilation and fired the thing up to make some fresh hot coffee right there in my lap.

On the wall, it hangs nicely from a piece of perlon cord, a little cock-eyed, but hanging free none the less. Quick heated water for the backpacker menus, and while that's getting its five minutes of soak time, I can quickly heat up some more water for tea.

Nice getting going in the mornin too, as its the first thing to fire up, providing another hot drink before i'm even out of my bag.
Gotta get the french press for some truly FRESH coffee. http://jetboil.com/Products/Accessories Thats next on my list, along with a battery powered grinder. LOL

Took it up to Lone Peak last summer too, melted snow for a party of three lickety-split. All in all, pretty tight set-up.


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I second the Jetboil. I don't have one yet, but it looks like the perfect walls stove, and easily rigable to hang.


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Jetboil rocks!!!!!


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Third for the Jetboil.

Got mine for Christmas and I love it. There are a few cons that I think get grossly thrown out of proportion on the internet reviews but I am sold on how great it is (some cons from the net: the plastic measuring cup can be difficult to get off, you have to cook all in one cup, it can be tricky to simmer)

I did a slight modification to get it to hang a little straighter but it works great. It is so lightweight that I often keep it in my backpack that I carry to and fro work.

If my train or bus is delayed....no prob....how about a snack or cup of coffee. Also the neoprene cozy is awesome and you really can hold it in your hand immediately after cooking.

So far I have gotten from a 100g canister about ~8-10 meals. Upto 12 if you are just boiling water and such. Making it simmer is a trick that comes from experience (slowly turn the valve all the way down until the jet hiss sound goes away and if it goes out hit the piezo lighter real quick...you can get quite a mellow simmer this way).

One word of warning. Be careful trying to add more liquid than the recommended line inside the cup or throwing stuff into boiling water (you can get some boilover).

One of my favorite recipes so far of my own creation:
Messy Fingers Shrimp
50g of frozen de-shelled shrimp (they will last at least a day or so out of the sun)
sesame oil
soy sauce
rosemary
thyme
garlic
nutmeg

quick cook rice

Mix all into a ziplock bag, throw it into the base of your bag away from the sun. Make the rice first, put in fresh ziplock bag (I use an old water bladder as a collapsable bowl...its perfect). Then throw in the shrimp and seasoning. Cook until shrimp are pink on low heat. Add a tiny bit of water to keep it a little wet. Put on rice. It is called messy fingers shrimp since every single person I have made this for licks their fingers when done.


rock on
Peroxide


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Great thread! Just reading it makes me want a hot meal and a hot cup 'o java.


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What's the best way to modify the Jetboli into a hanging stove? A pic would be great...


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I'll work on getting a pic posted. I had a nice description typed up last night, but when I went ot post it, it was lost in the ether. I'll re-post when i get the chance.


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http://www.ofoto.com/...94325219_74453040806


(Might work. Anyone know the best photo-hosting site on the net?)

Tied two double fishermans knots in 3.5' piece of 3mm perlon, about 8" apart, leaving a section of the resulting loop between the knots that the jetboil will fit into. Snug the knots down, and slide them up to the jetboil cozy. The little shrink wrap tips were a nice finish, though un-necessary.

Jetboil Hanging system available soon at a store near you, only $19.95!


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Fourth for the JetBoil! And to the people who complain about not being able to get the measuring cup off the base, all you need to do is shave down the plastic tabs that keep the cup attached. I've had no problem getting the cup off since I did some slight modifying with my knife. The it's-only-for-boiling-water complaint is a decent one - you definately can't flip pancakes over this thing - but on a big wall I can't imagine you'd be worried about that too much :D


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The photo from stymingerfinks is spot on with the way I first tied it up. I changed it a little bit to the following.

Suspension:
I used perlon cord to tie off the jetboil and then use a tautline hitch to adjust the height of the stove (not necessary but sometimes nice feature)
I also made sure that the loop can't get low enough to hit the metal at the cup base. My first suspension loop melted a bit when I unhooked it and it touched the metal base (boy did it stink every time I used the stove until I steel wooled off the melted perlon).

Stove Backup
Since dropping the stove is not a good thing, I take a loose loop tied to the same biner the cup is attached to (at the top) (this makes it hang a few cm from the stove) and tie it to one of the burner base legs (http://www.jetboil.com/Products/Features for a picture of the Jetboil.
So if I lift the cup up and the stove comes loose it will not fall away (but may burn ya if you are clumsy). This is also nice to let the stove cool since you can hang the stove horizontally against the rock wall.

Rock on and eat well
Andrzej


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I, too, have the JetBoil and love it. One problem with wall cooking -- cleaning it if you make an actual meal in it. Nothing worse than trying to make a good cup off coffee the morning after you cooked Stage Chilli. You never really get the taste out since cleaning options are limited on the wall. One way to avoid that is to have a dedicated pot to cook, and one to boil water. But who the F wants to carry two pots. And it would have to be a JetBoil pot since you can't really attach any other "standard" pot to the heating element.

Another option is to just do re-hydrated meals every night, therefore just need the one cooking pot to boil water. Problem is, this limits your dining options to dried meals and increases the amount of water you'll need to take up with you. For a one-nighter, this is no big deal. But it would really suck to be out of water two days from the top with only freeze-dried meals.

I'm looking forward to picking up the hanging kit when it comes out. I'll probably plan for and pack freeze-dried meals -- it's only 2 cup of water per day. But I'll have at least two "canned" meals just in case. And plenty of canned fruit.

Ed


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Diff. the best out there I agree "Markill" "Stormy" I have one and have seen nothing like it. Hard to come by I picked mine up in a Moab climbing shop. It was sitting there with a 40% off tag. I got lucky. I spent several years trying to get one. Great stove.


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The " Jet Boil" is nice as well. It is pretty small though. But does a good job!


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make your own


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What's up, Mike! Hey, assuming you cooked the tasy bits meal directly in the pot, how do you get the pot clean enough to make pallatable coffee in the morning?

What'd you climb?

Ed


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I think he meant heated in water, by putting the pouch in the boiling water, un-opened.


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Hmmm. OK. I'm still looking for input on how any of youse knuckle-draggers cook in the same pot you brew up coffee. Extra water for cleaning? Second pot? Just say "fuck it!" and drink the swill, anyway?

Ed


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on a wall, since water is a precious comodity..unless you have snow...I wouldn't cook in a pot. I'd do like Mike says and just put the pouch in boiling watter.

I once took a MSR pocket Rocket on the leaning tower and used it on ledges. I took my can of chilli and just heated it directly over the flame.

Another good meal that doesn't require a cook pot: Potato au Ramen
Get a small tupperware bowl with lid, or Nalgeen makes good lexan bowls with screw on top.

-Put 1 package of Top Ramen in and chunks of cheese (I prefer cheddar).
-Pour in bioling water
-screw on lid and wait for Ramen to hydrate
-Put in some potato flakes, best with seasoned ones.

Be sure to put potatoes in last or your Ramen won't hydrate enough. Add a little extra water if needed. Keep hot bowl in your sleeping bag while waiting. Yum


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Excellent! A winter wall, huh? Crazy. I'm cold thinking about it. Good ideasabout the cooking, guys. In fact, I have one of those screw-top Lexan bowls. I work it into the mix this season.

Gabe's a wild man! Must have been a goooood time.

Ed


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Definitely a few JetBoil fans here. Ed's question on how to avoid making chili flavored coffee, is exactly why I didn't buy a JB. There are some good idea's here on how to get around this though.

    Back to the, "Hanging Stove" question.. I heard mention of the MSR Titanium Hanging Stove Kit. I contacted MSR (Cascade Designs) about this and here is their response:
    In reply to:
    Also more bad news we did discontinue our Titanium Ascent Hanging kit the reason to many people were using them in their tents (you can see the problem).

    Best Regards,

    David N. LeFebvre
    Customer Service Representative


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    Hey Y'all,

    I saw this thread and had to reply.

    I own a Markill Stormy setup that worked well for a few years. A month ago it fell apart while in use. That is to say a 10,000BTU stove fell out of the hanging unit while it was running. I was heating up some ramen on a ski trip, so it was no big deal. I can't imagine the possible disaster if that had occurred inside a portaledge fly!

    I would steer clear of the Markill, it's a disaster waiting to happen.

    pb

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