Two weeks is a long time to leave draws hanging at endless wall...

do any of you meatheads even read what has been posted before you? as JT said, get a fahking clue.
when will you pathetic wankers realize that taking draws off a route is stealing?? Snod, i hope you were joking, cause if not, you need to be taken out back and taught a lesson about respect.
If land ownership/impact is an issue, then don't leave hanging draws, otherwise they should be safe, it's just part of sport climbing culture to leave your draws up on your project. If you take them, you are STEALING, i thought we were above that s---, but obviously some of you are not, and that's pathetic.

Think land managers. Think impact. Think eyesore. Think closed crag. Think Cave Rock, Nevada.

Think Frustration Creek, New Jack City, and hundreds of other sport crags where nobody gives a s---, including the land managers. Many new sport routes are being put up with permanent chain draws, and nobody, save for a few gumbies on the internet, seems to mind.

-Jay

... hundreds of other sport crags where nobody gives a s---, including the land managers.

do any of you meatheads even read what has been posted before you? as JT said, get a fahking clue.
when will you pathetic wankers realize that taking draws off a route is stealing?? Snod, i hope you were joking, cause if not, you need to be taken out back and taught a lesson about respect.
If land ownership/impact is an issue, then don't leave hanging draws, otherwise they should be safe, it's just part of sport climbing culture to leave your draws up on your project. If you take them, you are STEALING, i thought we were above that s---, but obviously some of you are not, and that's pathetic.

However, don't think that the land managers don't (or won't) notice. They just have other things on their plate right now. As for Rumney, you can be very, very confident that the USFS staff has their eyes on the place. And we're not just talking about draws; the Feds have every right (indeed, the charge) to keep an eye on their land, and this includes climber trails, dogs, poop in the woods, parking, bolts, overuse, raptor nesting, etc.

So with that mindset your essentially saying that if you were walking across a parking lot, and there was a hundred dollar bill laying there, you wouldn't touch it?

thanks for actually showing me how stupid i figured you were.

let's use your example to show you what you're talking about. so you're at a bar, some dude orders a bunch of drinks and lines em up, he takes one and then turns to talk to someone next to him, YOU would wander over and poach the 'booty'

you're not coming across 'lost' gear, you're coming across someone's draws, obviously they didn't have to bail, the entire route is equipped.

remind me not to climb anywhere near any of your local crags.

By your refrence the 'dude' at the bar is obviously 'working' the shots.....oh and don't climb at any of my local crags, but what about that hundred eh?

Hugepedro,

my intention was not to "whine on the internet" as you put it. My intentions were to find my draws, plain and simple.

Jay, it's very likely that you have spent enough time at these crags to determine that this is indeed true. I respect this, and by all means understand that at some crags, 'permanent' draws are just the way things work.

However, don't think that the land managers don't (or won't) notice.

Depending on the status of the land in question (wilderness?), "your" gear might, in fact, be considered abandoned. It is, literally, trash.

if somebody askes about em n stuff, i'll give em back. but if the hang for a lenghy amount of time and nobodys working it, weren't put up by the first asentionist they are considered abandoned in my opinion.

jay,

where are these fabled "wilderness sport crags" you speaketh of? ;)