Not a bad shoe. Im love the velcro it gets the shoe nice and tight for a narrow footed person like me. In find it excels on edging and does well on sharp limestone and blocky sandstone. I like the last shape, it is a little less aggresive that the Muir's. My biggest problem is the toe box is a little wide. I find it hard to really use my toe unless I climb in it all the time. I rotate my shoes and only climb in each pair once every two weeks. When I first got them I climbed in the several months stright and the more I climbed in them the more I liked them. I do not like the on slab granite. Mine only streached a little. I think they make a super gym shoe. I also wore the toes out quick in them. I think they are a good shoe and know friends who say they are the best on the market.

These shoes are great for sport climbing. They are sensitive because the rubber is thin, but edge well. The velcro allows me to tighten them up for the climb and loosen them for the belay. Of course, with any shoe, the fit is the most important thing. All the shoe companies make a shoe like this, and each one fits differently.

I would have rated these a two, due to poor durability, but I had to give them the benefit of the doubt since this was my first pair--and your first pair tends to wear out quicker until you are adept at footwork.

Nonetheless, the wear and tear came immediately. Even befre using them, they showed signs of delamination around the edges. Pretty soon, chunks were coming off from the edges, and eventually a piece broke free from the big toe area. It wore through the rand and the shoes were rendered unusable. This was after only 6 months of 3-time-a-month use.

If longevity/$$ is not an issue, the shoes were technically wonderful. I prefer them over the 5.10 Anasazi velcro. Edging was outstanding, smearing was decent. The velcro closures were as secure as a full lace-up. The heel could have been tighter, but was never a liability. Overall, I would not buy these again, but I'm glad I checked them out.

I love these shoes, but cost and durability keep it from a five. The rubber on the toe is a bit thinner than on my cobras, or at least it wears faster, I would rather have cobras because they wear longer and fit just as good for 30 bones less.

My second pair of rock shoes. Good fit nice and sturdy. I have a hard time with edgeing on the outside and a little stiff for a newbie. All aroud pretty good. They tend to force the weight over your big toe and thats where these things edge like there is no tomorrow