i ordered them my street shoe size and they started off a little tight but after a month or so climbing they were perfect. They have lasted about a year of climbing 3-4 times a week indoors and every other weekend outside. i just blew the toe in them. my only complaints are: there is some dead space in the heel, it's really deep; and there is a pressure point on the knuckle of my big toe which made it a little painful after about 2 hours.

My girlfriend and I rescued three pairs of these from the back room of a local outfitter this past weekend. She's stoked because they are akin to her Bamba's (her favortie shoe on the planet) and I like them because of the nifty pocket under the toe knuckles, just in front of the ball of my foot. It creates a nice pivot point and great way to shift weight on holds. I wish current shoes had this feature!

Ok, so the attached catalog was for the 2000-2001 collection... the rubber is in perfect condition and I am not advanced enough to know if it stinks or not, but so far they smear better than my MadRocks (Phoenix), fit as snugly as my Montrails (Index) without the Velcro issues (grrr) and are more secure in the heel than my crack climbing Acopas (Chameleon).

If it were possible to find more of these, I would suggest you buy them.

These were a great pair of shoes for me and I am still climbing in them today! They have been resoled once and i am going to send them in soon for another resoling job. Great pair of shoes and highly recomend them if they are available for you. Even though they are not made anymore.

this was my second pair of shoes ever. i first got them about 5 years ago and i thought they were awesome. i havent been able to find another since but i would definitly get a new pair. The rubber wasnt the greatest but the design i thought was good.

Its shape is almost perfect for me. Altough it is assymetric I found them very comfortable. But the rubber really sucks and among all the shoes I use them for indoor training only.