I bought these shoes b/c it kills me to jam with katanas and when I wear the mythos I don't feel nearly as secure on face moves. I wanted one pair that would be ideal for all stuff, and after climbing in my new pair of Technos this weekend I am totally impressed with the performance. Just one problem...I think maybe they are made for people with a narrower front of foot, b/c the tops of my toes got thrashed. first blistered, then skinned. the problem was worst when I was friction climbing or standing at belay; but they felt great when jammed into cracks. weird.