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jaablink
Jul 10, 2008, 7:47 PM
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wonderwoman
Jul 10, 2008, 9:03 PM
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They should fine people for throwing logs off cliffs instead.
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majid_sabet
Jul 10, 2008, 10:11 PM
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If I had the power, I would shut down the entire place and off limit to all climbers so they could learn a lesson.
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potreroed
Jul 10, 2008, 10:15 PM
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Obviously you haven't kept a low enough profile so the jerk in question found out about the place. Looks like you'll have to find a new spot and keep it quiet this time.
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sungam
Jul 10, 2008, 10:41 PM
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potreroed wrote: Obviously you haven't kept a low enough profile so the jerk in question found out about the place. Looks like you'll have to find a new spot and keep it quiet this time. VERY QUIET. I know several spots that no-one else but 3 or four people know about.
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srwings
Jul 11, 2008, 1:26 AM
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Curious posting. - Specifically what law is being broken? Trespassing? - Let me guess the location. USG lake in PA. That means Corps of Engineers. Could it be here? http://www.nap.usace.army.mil/...EWalter/hunting.html - Hope the injured climber heals up.
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jaablink
Jul 11, 2008, 1:15 PM
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WVUCLMBR
Jul 11, 2008, 1:29 PM
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I heard it was The Explorers Club of Pittsburgh. Those guys are jerk-faces. Hope the injured guy is ok.
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markc
Jul 11, 2008, 1:34 PM
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WVUCLMBR wrote: I heard it was The Explorers Club of Pittsburgh. Those guys are jerk-faces. Hope the injured guy is ok. Dude, it's okay to take the stick out.
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jaablink
Jul 11, 2008, 1:34 PM
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jaablink wrote: The climber will be OK. He is Infuriated that some boulderer doesn’t have common sense enough to leave things where they lay ,and that ROUND THINGS ROLL. More so he is pissed that unnamed wants to tell people he doesn’t know well - where this spot is. We dont mind the climbers as long as they use there heads. As for the law. This is dated a bit there have been many areas added since, the posts are on the board at the lot of the place in question and one should take the time to read it when in the area. Effective immediately, the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers (USACE) is banning cliff jumping/diving on all district managed recreational property. Cliff jumping/diving is a reckless and potentially very dangerous activity that has always been strongly discouraged on USACE recreational projects. Recent water-related accidents and fatalities have prompted the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers (USACE) to take the lead in prohibiting this activity. Warnings will be posted at district projects alerting users of the dangers associated with cliff jumping/diving and advising them of the ban. Warnings will be issued by park rangers explaining the dangers associated with the activity. Failure to heed warnings may result in citation under Title 36, which may result in a penalty of up to $5,000 or even federal imprisonment. District lakes where the ban is now in effect include: Alum Creek, Deer Creek, Delaware, Dillon, North Branch of Kokosing and Paint Creek Lakes in Ohio; Beech Fork, Bluestone, Burnsville, East Lynn, R.D. Bailey, Summersville, and Sutton Lakes in West Virginia; Dewey, Fishtrap, Grayson, Paintsville and Yatesville Lakes in Kentucky; and John W. Flannagan in Virginia. For more information, please contact the Public Affairs office at (304) 399-5353 full pdf here http://www.swl.usace.army.mil/parks/greersferry/pdf/EP_1165-2-316.pdf
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sungam
Jul 11, 2008, 9:47 PM
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WVUCLMBR wrote: I heard it was The Explorers Club of Pittsburgh. Those guys are jerk-faces. Hope the injured guy is ok. I heard it was the pittsburgh explorers club.
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truckyme
Jul 12, 2008, 1:35 AM
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Well, technically you aren't cliff diving/jumping. You don't fall into the water on purpose. Does the law state that you can't climb there?
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sky7high
Jul 12, 2008, 1:49 AM
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[rant] Am I the only one who thinks that these sorts of rules are stupid? So what if it's dangerous? no one's forcing them to do it, if they die it's their problem (unless of course they put others in danger) The only thing these rules do is ruin our sport. [/rant]
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billcoe_
Jul 12, 2008, 4:51 AM
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Totally concur skyhigh, it;'s bullshit for them to restrict folks. If they were going to fall into a turbine ad damage it and screw up the power grid, thats different. These government assholes should be challenged. And forced into productive work if they have that much free time to go around bothering honest folks, instead of making them criminals for just being on their own (it's not the Kings) land.
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sungam
Jul 12, 2008, 1:14 PM
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billcoe_ wrote: Totally concur skyhigh, it;'s bullshit for them to restrict folks. If they were going to fall into a turbine ad damage it and screw up the power grid, thats different. These government assholes should be challenged. And forced into productive work if they have that much free time to go around bothering honest folks, instead of making them criminals for just being on their own (it's not the Kings) land. Yeah, and restricting the options for doing fun and non-damaging stuff like DWS or whatever just adds to the "fuck, I'm bored. What to do? Lets go do shit!" attitude.
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dingus
Jul 12, 2008, 2:30 PM
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The Corps of Engineeers is directly responsible for the flooding along the Mississippi this year, what happened to New Orleans AND the flooding of a decade ago. With such a steller record what makes any of you think they give a goddamn about your problems? They don't. They won't. End of story. Circumvent. And don't tell anyone about your secret stashes! DMT
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sungam
Jul 12, 2008, 2:45 PM
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dingus wrote: And don't tell anyone about your secret stashes! V. important. Remember, this means no bragging or spraying, and letting people know that there is a secret spot will mean you will eventually end up telling them or they will look for it themselves.
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circello
Jul 14, 2008, 3:11 PM
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dingus wrote: The Corps of Engineeers is indirectly responsible for the flooding along the Mississippi this year, what happened to New Orleans AND the flooding of a decade ago. With such a steller record what makes any of you think they give a goddamn about your problems? They don't. They won't. End of story. Circumvent. And don't tell anyone about your secret stashes! DMT Fixed.
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dingus
Jul 14, 2008, 3:32 PM
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circello wrote: dingus wrote: The Corps of Engineeers is indirectly responsible for the flooding along the Mississippi this year, what happened to New Orleans AND the flooding of a decade ago. With such a steller record what makes any of you think they give a goddamn about your problems? They don't. They won't. End of story. Circumvent. And don't tell anyone about your secret stashes! DMT Fixed. No. DIRECTLY responsible. DMT
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circello
Jul 14, 2008, 4:00 PM
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I'd disagree. Copious amounts of rain in a short period of time, combined with vast amounts of drainage tile in farmland are directly responsible for flooding. You could argue that unnaturally forcing the river along certain channels as city built levees and CoE built dams do, certainly makes things more interesting when these systems fail, but even if they weren't there the river would flood. With Katrina I think you have a much stronger case, as failure of a single corps levee that they knew was insufficient led to massive damage to New Orleans that otherwise the hurricane may not have caused. I understand the point you are trying to make, but those same systems that you blame for flooding allow countless people to live and farm on what would be otherwise unusable floodplains. BC
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dingus
Jul 14, 2008, 4:10 PM
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circello wrote: but even if they weren't there the river would flood. With Katrina I think you have a much stronger case, as failure of a single corps levee that they knew was insufficient led to massive damage to New Orleans that otherwise the hurricane may not have caused. I understand the point you are trying to make, but those same systems that you blame for flooding allow countless people to live and farm on what would be otherwise unusable floodplains. That (allowing people to live on floodplains) IS the problem. Of course rivers swell with meltoff to the brim (and occasionally beyond) their historic floodplains. The Corps is directly responsible for catering to dewvelopment interests, foolishly believing one of the great rivers of the world can be harnessed and CAUSING the catastrophic MANMADE floods that occured. This isn't a natureal disaster at all - it is 100% manmade, ' As for New Orleans, I don't focus on a single levee failure, though those in the 9th Ward certainly do. Rather the very same system of controls along the entire Mississippi river system is causing New Orleans and the rest of the delta to sink, rapidly. New Orleans is a modern day Atlantis THANKS TO THE CORPS. It WILL flood again and it will too be the fault of the corps when it happens. That's not to say there isn't plenty of blame to be spread around. There is. But the corps created a system of socalled controls that are destined to fail over and over. Blaming it on nature is simply avoiding the true cause of the flooding. If no one lived on the flood plains no one would be flooded. Ergo manmade floods. DMT BC
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sungam
Jul 14, 2008, 4:26 PM
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now THAT ^ is a fucking thread drift!!!
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circello
Jul 14, 2008, 4:27 PM
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Overall, I think we think along the same lines, but come to different conclusions, which imo is cool. Do you view California wildfires the same way? BC
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circello
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sungam wrote: now THAT ^ is a fucking thread drift!!! [pun] Just go with the flow man! [/pun]
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