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bobruef
May 4, 2007, 11:14 PM
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caughtinside wrote: I'm not saying that recent events leave no cause for concern, but to say that the 10+ years of goodwill prior to those incidents are meaningless is incorrect.
Fair enough, you're right. I don't think any of this would be argued nearly as much if we were talking about Rock Empire cams. Alien's certainly earned their cult following. I love mine as much as the next guy. I'll be the first to concede that they place like no other cam.
tomcat wrote: Bobreuf....how many Aliens would you guess are in use? And if we double the number of internet reports for good measure,what is the failure rate as we know it?You can pick the number in use.
OK, if we went by your method, that would be 16 unreasonable failure in the last year or so. That's counting the misdrilled axle hole as just one, even though there were definitely more affected by that specific issue. This is also not counting the Aliens that failed when tested at Mgear at the start of Alien-gate. But let's be conservative and say that 50% of failures have been reported between here and supertaco, and double my lowball estimate to 16. Do you really think that's an acceptable # of failures? We're not talking about 10 kN rated pieces failing at 9kN either, we're talking about absurd failure modes. I'd also have to say that we're doing pretty good if half of the failures are reported. Hell, if half the people report back in a survey, you're doing pretty damn good. And considering that Supertaco and RC.com are based in the US, we're only talking about climbers who speak english for god's sake!
In reply to: Aliens pushed the envelope,maybe C3's will.It's a four cam unit with tiny parts.I would also say the braze connection is not the smallest of them,and should not be an issue.
Seems like you answered your own statement there, the tiny parts aren't related to the mode of failure here. In fact, most of the failure reports have been in the bigger sizes (i.e.- Orange, Purple). Alien parts are no smaller than TCU parts. Why isn't this expected failure rate occurring w/ Metolius cams? If somebody takes a MONSTEROUS whipper on one of the littlest buggers and it breaks, that would be a much more reasonable failure mode.
In reply to: I've owned three kinds of small cams,they are the first ones I really trust.
I'm glad that you've got a gut feeling that they're trust worthy, but in the end, your gut feeling isn't the standard I'd like to see these guys live up to.
Edited: spelling, formatting
(This post was edited by bobruef on May 5, 2007, 1:09 AM)
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