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healyje
Jul 12, 2011, 9:52 PM
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rescueman wrote: That's the same as saying that, if I've been driving for 20 years and have never had an accident...
Bad analogy - a better analogy would be never going out surfing on a big day because you either always play it safe, you lack confidence in your abilities, or are afraid to confront the unknown. Another analogy would be a soldier who served stateside, and never saw battle, but is attempting to define for new recruits what 'soldiering' and it's 'goals' are all about.
rescueman wrote: I think most people would say just the opposite.
Maybe among the general population, but not among any of the people I've had the pleasure of climbing with over the past thirty seven years.
rescueman wrote: But the stage of life we call maturity is about, having learned where those limits are, living responsibly within them.
Here you confuse climbing with suburban life and career. That you've never risked in climbing in no way represents climbing responsibly or even living responsibly, but rather safely and timidly while making explicit trade offs that always err on the side of caution and 'safety'.
rescueman wrote: Do you understand the meaning of "traditional". It's almost synonymous with "conservative".
'Trad' is an unfortunate term which refers solely to what rock climbing was prior to the advent of sport climbing and has no explicit association with the conventional definitions of the words 'traditional' or 'conservative'.
rescueman wrote: But the hero's journey and the warrior's creed has always been about confronting our fears and acting responsibly in spite of them.
Not really into heros or warriors, but I can categorically state that definition is bullshit - particularly the "acting responsibly" part. 'Acting bravely' is how that should read - as in knowing it's time to rise to an uncertain challenge and committing to the unknown.
rescueman wrote: John Long's 1989 book How to Rock Climb used the term "sport climbing" repeatedly in reference to what is now considered "traditional climbing."
John is as good an knowledgeable guy as anyone and, though I haven't read his books, I suspect you are badly misinterpreting either his words or intent because I can assure you he knows the difference between the two.
rescueman wrote: Your perspective is no more legitimate, useful or worthy of teaching to others than mine - which is based on a lifetime of experience, and teaching and guiding of others - adolescent and adult - in both the physical and the spiritual realms.
Well, in this instance you'd be wrong. In fact, I - and any other experienced climbers with lots of experience putting up [trad] FAs and falling - have far deeper experience and insight into climbing than folks who have made the choices you have. Sorry, but there's simply no getting around it - again, it's like the difference between a soldier who's been in battle and one who hasn't.
rescueman wrote: For climbing, at its best (as with any pursuit in life) is a spiritual endeavor.
Another projection - maybe for some folks, not for others. Spirituality is a personal deal and folks may or may not find such a path in or through climbing. I personally have a hard time with vanilla spiritual 'teaching' and 'back-of-the-wheaties-box' attempts to display it.
And, like John, Yvon is just another person and climber with his good sides, bad sides, and his own takes on the world and his personal journey through it. Again, not really into the hero / warrior / icon thing, but both men summoned what was required to bravely launch into uncertainty and the unknown again and again logging no shortage of flight time in the process.
(This post was edited by healyje on Jul 12, 2011, 10:27 PM)
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