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Re: [refguee] Aid climbing article in newest Rock & Ice (Issue 174):
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dingus
Dec 11, 2008, 5:55 PM
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You're fast but fast enough Sir!
refugee wrote: But you stoked this thread by making Fox News-style attacks on a person who put together a pretty damn logical and compelling argument,
Ah we have a True Believer here. You put more credence to the rant than does the author it appears. Joke's on you mate.
In reply to: and then when you got called out for being one of the fat losers who thinks aid climbing is cool because you're too weak to do anything significant, you reverted into a "hey, man, everything's relative, bro!" argument.
Nope. You're wrong. But at least you're using your OWN WORDS this time. Bravo.
In reply to: Have you climbed A5? Have you climbed 5.13? Have you free climbed El Cap? Kalous has ... maybe you should listen to what he has to say instead of speaking from an out-dated, now totally irrelevant position.
No and I haven't retrobolted other peoples' routes either.
I did listen to what he said. He made many good points, so what? If you think aid climbing is totally irrelevant however, you may want to take peek outside the valley.
In reply to: I know it's frustrating to watch your connection to a sport you once knew fade
I'm sure you do.
The original troll leveraged group insecurities to level the same ole tired gambit... its the same sort of guff trad climbers give the Pad People; intercene tribal jokster warfare bullshit. More akin to The Dozens than anything else really. Good fun, but not to be taken too seriously.
Its as old as the hills. So what?
In terms of hard aid being irrelevant - it is only irrelevant to those of us who aren't doing it.... who in turn are irrelevant to the aid climbers. And they are the only ones that matter.
Me, I don't like hard aid and can't really claim to have ever liked aiding much at all. Wall climbing is a big mind fuck and its terribly hard work to boot, But I'm glad I did it though and am glad I was able to rise above my fears and endure my insecurities and anxieties. When learning this sport I never imagined I'd get up those huge chunks of rock.
No I will never free climb El Cap, that much I know. But Ive had lots of fun in this sport and have taken much value from it. Aside from some gentle poking I never needed to boost my own self-worth by running down other climbing styles.
There is room for us all, on El Cap, on other big walls and through out the climbing world. I have a lot of respect for hardass climbers, regardless of styles really.
DMT
(This post was edited by dingus on Dec 11, 2008, 5:55 PM)
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