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Good to see someone trying to popularise the sport....finally.
And groupies, bring them too.
NOT!
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Dec 21, 2005, 8:20 PM
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If you actually read the article, he sounds like he really enjoys climbing. I dont see a problem in what he does.
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Dec 21, 2005, 8:23 PM
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I read it. Good for him. No really, good for him.
I think my immediate bilious taste in the mouth and nausea/disgust is actually just jealousy. It sure would be nice to never have to work a day in your life and have the finances and connections to be able to drop everything and go to Yosemite whenever you wanted. I guess he was born lucky, and by this turnaround, might actually live past 40.
Good for him. Just keep telling yourself that.
*Back to work maggot*
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Dec 21, 2005, 8:27 PM
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F'yeah I'm jealous!!!
He's still a little bitch though! :lol: :lol: :lol:
I hope he goes on to alpine routes...we'll see how tough he is.
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Dec 21, 2005, 8:27 PM
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damn, he climbs twice a day, Sharma better watch his ass
Jack Osborne in Rampage 2!!
Yo jack is squeezing juice out da rock
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Dec 21, 2005, 8:30 PM
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In reply to: There is nothing like using daddy's money to pay guides to get your ass up El Cap!!! What a little b----... Jack is SOOO hardcore now!!!
Article says he led 6 pitches on the Salathe, not bad for a fledgling 5.9 climber. Where does he pretend to be hard core? If you read the climbing article, he sounds like any other climber who just wants to climb more and get better.
What do you care what and why he climbs anyway?
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mcfoley
Dec 21, 2005, 8:51 PM
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OK so I'm jealous & BITTER!!!
He's still a lottle bitch!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Why do I care?
I don't I'm bored at work!!!
What do you expect!!!
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It seems like he has the lingo down somewhat too. And damn....lost 70 pounds in 6 months?????
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Dec 21, 2005, 9:08 PM
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I think it's great. He has enough money to do anything he wants and he is driven by climbing.
I like hearing about new climbers getting hooked on climbing, working to get into shape, speak the language, push to get better and better - I don't care that he's a celebrity.
Who cares if he had a guide, or two, or three - he did it. Got to give him that. It was up to him and he did it.
I hope he sticks with it.
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Dec 21, 2005, 9:20 PM
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You guys are wayy to nice today...
Where are all the haters at today?
Did you all leave for holiday vacation?
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Dec 21, 2005, 9:20 PM
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There was a lot of hub-bub about this when he was actually on the route. One thing no one ever really was able to report is what role he played in the ascent. I don't give a damn if he lead every pitch or was a full-time jug-monkey, but I'd be interested to hear about more about the climb. It seems like he would be an unlikely character to succeed at bigwall climbing, but stranger things have happened. If he truely enjoys the experience and completed the climb by fair means then I'm thrilled for the guy. I'd be a bit bummed if this was just a media grabbing attention stunt (which is what most people feared when they heard he was going to do the climb), but by most accounts it was fairly low-key. The got in, got up, and got out. Sure, some cameras were involved but he wasn't out there in the Meadow doing nightly updates with MTV, either.
Dude climbed it, and that's more than I can say about me. Hats off to you, Jack. I hope the experience was everything you dreamed it would be.
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Dec 21, 2005, 9:41 PM
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He dropped 150 lbs and got off drugs...That's more impressive than climbing el cap, in my opinion.
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Dec 21, 2005, 9:48 PM
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In reply to: Where are all the haters at today?
that other climbing forum... the misspelled one where we only talk about "pebble wrestling" uh duh.
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grk10vq
Dec 21, 2005, 9:58 PM
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at first i thought this said:
Rocker spawn JACK OSBOURNE gets knocked off El Cap
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Dec 21, 2005, 10:07 PM
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Good for him. He got off drugs, lost alot of weight and now he's climbing. WTF is the problem with that? Why be so harsh?
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In reply to: He dropped 150 lbs and got off drugs...That's more impressive than climbing el cap, in my opinion.
Too true
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Would have been better if he kept his mouth shut though....now all of his prissy little fans are going to want to try climbing :twisted:
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most climbers, including myself, feel that if someone who's famous, which 99% of the time has alot of $$$$$$$$$$$$$$, will just buy their way to climb, while everybody else, earns it....those first few years of learning and obsessing is our right of passage and we feel violated when some yuppie buys their way through
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Dec 21, 2005, 10:18 PM
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Hahaha I was at camp four when he did it. At sunday morning coffee we all made fun of his ass!!
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In reply to: He dropped 150 lbs and got off drugs...That's more impressive than climbing el cap, in my opinion.
yup
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Dec 21, 2005, 10:30 PM
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Congratulations to him!!
To me, climbing is one sport where a person's "place" in life is not very significant. In this sport, I've seen the homeless and "down and out" hang with fortune 500 execs and totally relate to each other.
Also, unless you've climbed El Cap, you really can't understand how big an achievement it is.
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Dec 21, 2005, 10:34 PM
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Jack has found a really good place in his life through climbing, it is in this way he is just like all of us, and I would shake his hand for what he has overcome. For all of you making fun of him in Camp 4, on this site and else where I don't think he realy gives a flying f*ck about your opinions. Sounds to me like he's just happy to have turned his life around. I'd rather see some one with tons of "$$$$$$$$" spend it on going and learning how to climb rather than on drugs, alcohol, etc. Do you honestly believe he could have done it without paying all that money, not because his abilities were sub-par, but because who would take him under their wing and mentor him. I know if the old Jack Osbourne approached me asking to climb I probably would have laughed. Not only did he have a hard time physically, he must still be having a hard time being accepted into the community. I for one think he should be given a break, and be accepted readily for what he has overcome. Jack you can climb with me anytime.
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Dec 21, 2005, 10:41 PM
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That is so awesome--I tried to picture "the old" Jack Osbourne climbing any kind of rock, but he looks a lot different now. Sounds like he's really turned his life around, it's great! ^^
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Mr. McFoley, what went on in your head
(Oh) Mr. McFoley, did you talk to the rocker's kid?
Your post to me seemed so bitter
With the thrill of the fall
You trolled all the people with glitter
(Yea)You waited on Satan's call
Mr. McFoley...
DMT
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I'm happy to se that old Jackie Babe isn't such a sweetloaf after all. All you nasayers just think he should stick out his thumb, stick twenty bucks in his pocket and just dirtbag it for a year or what? BTW, was he hanging out in camp four before the climb or did he just fly in on daddies heli?
OZZY RULES (Where are rrdams rocker icons when I need them?) :twisted:
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Dec 21, 2005, 11:08 PM
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In reply to: most climbers, including myself, feel that if someone who's famous, which 99% of the time has alot of $$$$$$$$$$$$$$, will just buy their way to climb, while everybody else, earns it.... |
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Dec 21, 2005, 11:14 PM
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looks like the kid shed a few. anybody know what route he did?
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In reply to: most climbers, including myself, feel that if someone who's famous, which 99% of the time has alot of $$$$$$$$$$$$$$, will just buy their way to climb, while everybody else, earns it....those first few years of learning and obsessing is our right of passage and we feel violated when some yuppie buys their way through
Jack looks good, sounds like he's getting clean and healthy, and he accomplished something awesome by climbing El Cap. And I still say being a new climber and climbing 5.9 in the Valley is more than a lot of rc.com punters will ever do.
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Dec 21, 2005, 11:54 PM
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I'll admit it, I'm jealous. Some of us work shitty job's just to afford climbing gear, and put ourselves through school. He just spends his daddy's cash and does stuff others have been dreaming about for years, but can't afford.
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In reply to: In reply to: most climbers, including myself, feel that if someone who's famous, which 99% of the time has alot of $$$$$$$$$$$$$$, will just buy their way to climb, while everybody else, earns it....those first few years of learning and obsessing is our right of passage and we feel violated when some yuppie buys their way through We can't all be as HARD!KORE!!!!!!!! [raahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!! *throws sign and whips head around to some Slayer*] as you. Jack looks good, sounds like he's getting clean and healthy, and he accomplished something awesome by climbing El Cap. And I still say being a new climber and climbing 5.9 in the Valley is more than a lot of rc.com punters will ever do.
:lol: PWNED!!!!! :lol:
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Dec 22, 2005, 12:10 AM
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Who cares how much money he has. The kid cleaned his act up. He got off drugs and lost a shit load of weight. I bet you he sounds like everyone of us after we started climbing. How we are goinig to do this and that, but we can't because of $$$$$$$$$$$$. I say good for you Jack.
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In reply to: Hahaha I was at camp four when he did it. At sunday morning coffee we all made fun of his ass!!
And what makes you so cool? Or are you such a hardcore El Cap climber you have "the right" to make fun of his ass?
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Anything that anybody ON THE GROUND spewing in CAMP 4 has to say about anybody who is ON THE CAPTAIN and LEADING isn't worth a damn.
Good for the guy for sending on the sharp end,...but huge congratulations to him for getting his life together.
-Kate.
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i say good for him!
and yes, i'm definitly jelous, he has the financial freedom to dive into climbing the way i wish could.
now i'll go skulk over my keyboard and guidbooks while planning this winters ice trip, counting pennies so i can buy two more ice screws and a balakava...
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In reply to: Jack has found a really good place in his life through climbing, it is in this way he is just like all of us, and I would shake his hand for what he has overcome. For all of you making fun of him in Camp 4, on this site and else where I don't think he realy gives a flying f*ck about your opinions. Sounds to me like he's just happy to have turned his life around. I'd rather see some one with tons of "$$$$$$$$" spend it on going and learning how to climb rather than on drugs, alcohol, etc. Do you honestly believe he could have done it without paying all that money, not because his abilities were sub-par, but because who would take him under their wing and mentor him. I know if the old Jack Osbourne approached me asking to climb I probably would have laughed. Not only did he have a hard time physically, he must still be having a hard time being accepted into the community. I for one think he should be given a break, and be accepted readily for what he has overcome. Jack you can climb with me anytime.
WTF are you his big brother or something?
Give me a break...
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In reply to: In reply to: Jack has found a really good place in his life through climbing, it is in this way he is just like all of us, and I would shake his hand for what he has overcome. For all of you making fun of him in Camp 4, on this site and else where I don't think he realy gives a flying f*ck about your opinions. Sounds to me like he's just happy to have turned his life around. I'd rather see some one with tons of "$$$$$$$$" spend it on going and learning how to climb rather than on drugs, alcohol, etc. Do you honestly believe he could have done it without paying all that money, not because his abilities were sub-par, but because who would take him under their wing and mentor him. I know if the old Jack Osbourne approached me asking to climb I probably would have laughed. Not only did he have a hard time physically, he must still be having a hard time being accepted into the community. I for one think he should be given a break, and be accepted readily for what he has overcome. Jack you can climb with me anytime. WTF are you his big brother or something? Give me a break... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Speaking of break... didjya see my song McFoley? Huh? Didjya see it?
Huh? HUH???
DIDJYA???
Mr McFoley?
DMT
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In reply to: Mr. McFoley, what went on in your head (Oh) Mr. McFoley, did you talk to the rocker's kid? Your post to me seemed so bitter With the thrill of the fall You trolled all the people with glitter (Yea)You waited on Satan's call Mr. McFoley... DMT
awesome! Good song :D
I'd like to see Ozzy get up that wall
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In reply to: You trolled all the people with glitter
I can't believe all the bleeding hearts that responded...
WTF...this ain't no therapy group people... :lol:
Yeah I did... :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Jack didn't get to choose his station in life. He was born with money...... BFD! Why are people intimidated by money? He has learned to take control of his life though and that's quite an accomplishment! Perhaps Jack could be an asset to the climbing community.
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Why do we judge others by what they have and judge ourselves by what we do not have.
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In reply to: Hahaha I was at camp four when he did it. At sunday morning coffee we all made fun of his ass!!
I'm sure he was super-concerned about that when he was topping out. After that, did you guys have a 45 minute bitch session about all the tourons and then complain that all the rangers were jerks? It's a little depressing to imagine that someone who's waking up in camp 4, surrounded by unimaginable beauty in the Valley, is only concerned with making fun of someone else who's there to enjoy the same thing.
Maybe if you took the time to actually connect with other climbers instead of making fun of them you'd learn that there's a high percentage of people who have gotten over substance abuse problems. Addictive personalities are fairly common in the sport. Who cares if it's someone who's rich or someone who's poor? If you don't make the effort to connect with other people on that level just because you're turned off by their appearances or financial situation you can look forward to a lifetime of isolation. Enjoy.
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In reply to: And I still say being a new climber and climbing 5.9 in the Valley is more than a lot of rc.com punters will ever do.
Bam!!!! aint dat da truth!
Insert the old laughing emoticon here.
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I'm actually very interested to see where jack goes with his climbing. He's a young guy with probably fairly unlimited resources, so if he sticks with it I see no reason for him not to progress quickly. Dirtbaggin' with style! Maybe he should hook up with the "Mentors" from the "Weekend in Hell" TR. :D
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That's really cool that Jack O climbed el cap...but if you do it without drugs thats kinda lame.
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Yeah why be jelous. I am poor, I have substance abuse problems and I still manage to go climbing every weekend. I am happy... why should'nt he be
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Somebody said :"Hahaha I was at camp four when he did it. At sunday morning coffee we all made fun of his ass!!"
Why were you making fun of him? Sounds pretty juevenile to me.
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I know this is a little OT, but even Rebecca Stokes (the one who wrote the Climbing article) didn't get all of her facts straight.
Ozzy Osbourne is not a 'death-metal rocker'! :roll:
She could've gotten away with 'doom-metal' maybe, but even that was more back in his Black Sabbath days. He is one of the god-fathers of metal, but has never done any death-metal of any sort that I am aware of...
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Looks like it wasn't April Fools
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This is hilarious! So much jealousy and bitterness...
My hat's off to Jack.
He didn't just get lypoed, then go pay a couple of guides to haul his butt up the Salathe' -- He actually lead 6 pitches on his own! And the people he did it with were friends. That right there says a lot. Guides are paid (sometimes to babysitt), butt friends just have to trust you.
Rock On! Ai, ai, ai...
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Jack seems like a decent enough guy, I haven't read the articles but I will. I'd share a rope with him.
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I think it is GREAT and uplifting what Jack did. I did the same thing after junior year of high school. quit partying, lost 80 lbs in under a year and started racing mountain bikes. Long story short, finished 2nd in division, bike got stolen, now climbing. Anyhow, I feel that certain people can and should be inspired/influenced by accomplishments such as ours. He is merely famous enough to bring attention to it. By the way, I've never openly flamed anyone on this forum, but I've got to say, Mcfoley is a major jag.
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In reply to: IMaybe he should hook up with the "Mentors" from the "Weekend in Hell" TR. :D
I wouldnt wish what happened to that dude on my enemies ( maybe some of them). That was one of the crazist stories id ever heard. Did anyobdy find out who those dickholes actually were? and can we post there names and start threads about what we would do to them?
Good job jack.
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If Jack likes climbing so much... He should donate a sizable amount to the access fund! If I had his kind of money I would definitely throw down some major cash.
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In reply to: That's really cool that Jack O climbed el cap...but if you do it without drugs thats kinda lame. -JR
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I think the fact that he has cleaned up his act is a pretty notable accomplishment on its own. but in response to cmac, i dont really think he has had to "earn it" as much as John Q Public would have to because his time and resources are completely unlimited. Jack Osbourne will never have to pinch pennies to save for that plane ticket to go to Bishop, he will never have to pawn off random objects and clothing to get his anasazis resoled, and most of all he will never have to balance climbing with a 9 to 5 or 17 hours of class. Needless to say, i dont think that its the same "journey" that most of us take. I have to agree with mistajman, welcome to the climbing community but lets see him put some of his resources to work for the good of his new found sport. He could probably scrounge up the cash to buy Hueco in his friggin couch cushions.
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In reply to: In reply to: That's really cool that Jack O climbed el cap...but if you do it without drugs thats kinda lame. -JR This is getting framed and going on the mantle.
I don't disrespect the friends of mine who like to party -- I know plenty of climbers who consider themselves Valley locals or regulars who party with verve and ferocity. I wouldn't pretend to want or need to take that away from them for a minute.
But, frankly, you have no idea what it may feel like to overcome some serious personal challenges, take your life in a completely different direction, and realize how powerful a rush it is to be sober -- all of your wits about you -- and enjoying life for the first time in a mighty damn long time. You can't possibly understand what it's like to be out there on the sharp end, thousands of feet above the ground, and fully aware and in charge of your senses when only months before all you knew was the misery, isolation, desperation, and monotony of not caring if you even lived another day.
I'll take my climbing sober, thank you. There's nothing more exhillerating that being up on the wall, fully aware of your predicament, responsible for your choices, and entirely accountable for the outcome. I plan to spend the rest of my days sucking the marrow out of life instead of sucking on a bong or crawling into a bottle.
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Totally agree with ya Ed!!
I read the article in Climbing and I thought it was commendable that he has taken back his life. Pretty pathetic life being bound and dependent on a substance to make life livable. I thought that it was a good article and hopefully Jack can use some of his pull and fame for the good of the community and some of his $$$ if he wants to. My hat's off to Jack.
The only thing I was not too in tune with in all of the news and the write up's was the twice daily coffee enemas :shock: that he had when he was in rehab. oooohhhhhh, Man, you gotta draw the line somewhere :!: :lol:
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In reply to: Anything that anybody ON THE GROUND spewing in CAMP 4 has to say about anybody who is ON THE CAPTAIN and LEADING isn't worth a damn. Good for the guy for sending on the sharp end,...but huge congratulations to him for getting his life together. -Kate.
Oh! I wish I had trophies!!! I may just come back to this when I do!
Classic comment Kate, so true!
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I quit
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In reply to: In reply to: In reply to: That's really cool that Jack O climbed el cap...but if you do it without drugs thats kinda lame. -JR This is getting framed and going on the mantle. I don't disrespect the friends of mine who like to party -- I know plenty of climbers who consider themselves Valley locals or regulars who party with verve and ferocity. I wouldn't pretend to want or need to take that away from them for a minute. But, frankly, you have no idea what it may feel like to overcome some serious personal challenges, take your life in a completely different direction, and realize how powerful a rush it is to be sober -- all of your wits about you -- and enjoying life for the first time in a mighty damn long time. You can't possibly understand what it's like to be out there on the sharp end, thousands of feet above the ground, and fully aware and in charge of your senses when only months before all you knew was the misery, isolation, desperation, and monotony of not caring if you even lived another day. I'll take my climbing sober, thank you. There's nothing more exhillerating that being up on the wall, fully aware of your predicament, responsible for your choices, and entirely accountable for the outcome. I plan to spend the rest of my days sucking the marrow out of life instead of sucking on a bong crawling into a bottle. Ed
Had no intentions of getting into this thread till I read this. Words to live by.
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In reply to: butt friends just have to trust you.
Gee I hope that was a typo... true enough though I guess :lol:
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moose_droppings
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In reply to: In reply to: In reply to: That's really cool that Jack O climbed el cap...but if you do it without drugs thats kinda lame. -JR This is getting framed and going on the mantle. I don't disrespect the friends of mine who like to party -- I know plenty of climbers who consider themselves Valley locals or regulars who party with verve and ferocity. I wouldn't pretend to want or need to take that away from them for a minute. But, frankly, you have no idea what it may feel like to overcome some serious personal challenges, take your life in a completely different direction, and realize how powerful a rush it is to be sober -- all of your wits about you -- and enjoying life for the first time in a mighty damn long time. You can't possibly understand what it's like to be out there on the sharp end, thousands of feet above the ground, and fully aware and in charge of your senses when only months before all you knew was the misery, isolation, desperation, and monotony of not caring if you even lived another day. I'll take my climbing sober, thank you. There's nothing more exhillerating that being up on the wall, fully aware of your predicament, responsible for your choices, and entirely accountable for the outcome. I plan to spend the rest of my days sucking the marrow out of life instead of sucking on a bong or crawling into a bottle. Ed
I just thought that statement was really funny, with everyone else being so serious.
SO LIGHTEN UP, and don't tell me what i have or have'nt been thru, and the trauma it took to finaly wake me up. Waaaay out of line dude.
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best reply ever...i really trust my butt friends...a lot...like a lot a lot... :shock:
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Ok you guys are gonna probably eat me alive for this but what bothers me about Ol Jacko's conquest is that I am probably a bit jealous of the thought that with his money and status he will no doubt have many more opportunities than most. Ya know he can pretty much do anything he wants and the only thing stopping him is himself. Personally I have a few parameters to be concerned with before I can just meet the president if I want. Dig.
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Hey, Moose, that's cool. Congrats. I was more directing my comment to the first guy who claims climbing without drugs is lame. Your comments were just convenient to quote, but you're still the one who made them. Not sure how else someone would take it except as support for the first statement. Seems contradictory to the reality in your life, doesn't it?
Get all butt hurt if you want, but you made the comments. I'm just reacting to the misperception that gets perpetuated that in order to really enjoy bigwall climbing you've got to be a party animal and 1/2 insane. Not so. That's all I'm saying.
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In reply to: Personally I have a few parameters to be concerned with before I can just meet the president if I want. Dig.
o wah wah wah you poor thing. i hear that shit from kids at shool and their like, "jay is just how he is cuz his mommy and daddy are rich."
did it ever occur to you that meeting the president is LAME? i know mariah carey and thats not that great, their just people! is that all you want in life? your jealous of being on tv and meeting stuck up people with money?
just because i got a benz when i turned 15 and i don't have to work to have what i want doesn't mean you have it better than me. i mean, i don't have a girlfriend and i bet you do. i climb too much - maybe jack doesnt either. i mean look at his dad. who wants that kind of a father anyway? so he gets a crazy for a pop and he gets to climb el cap because hes famous. you should feel better since you had to do it your way. when i pulled up to my dorm in mybenz no one wanted to be friends with me. we all have to deal with what we got.
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Ed,
Nothing contradictory about it. I still have a (warped) sense of humor and I find his statement hilarious amongst all the seriousness (like farting during a sermon).
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Way to go Jack.
I heard an interview with Ozzy a few weeks ago and he stated how proud he was of Jack to have cleaned up his act on his own accord and pursuing things Ozzy would have never dreamed of doing. You could really hear the pride in that fathers voice.
Sounds like a ton of people are jealous of someone equally determined as (most of) us but with the financial recources and time to persue his dreams.
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In reply to: Way to go Jack. I heard an interview with Ozzy a few weeks ago and he stated how proud he was of Jack to have cleaned up his act on his own accord and pursuing things Ozzy would have never dreamed of doing. You could really hear the pride in that fathers voice. Sounds like a ton of people are jealous of someone equally determined as (most of) us but with the financial recources and time to persue his dreams.
I am totally jealous. damnit.!!! :evil: :x :twisted:
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In reply to: Ed, Nothing contradictory about it. I still have a (warped) sense of humor and I find his statement hilarious amongst all the seriousness (like farting during a sermon).
Nothin wrong with that, but you can only blame yourself for creating the perception that you concurred with the "no drugs are lame" comments. Hey, if it doesn't apply to you, then it doesn't apply.
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Haven't read the entire thread... but,
Good for Jack is all I can say. It's unfortunate that as a society we seem to forget these 'celebrities' are human beings too, like us, with hopes, dreams and aspirations.
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Ed wrote
In reply to: But, frankly, you have no idea what it may feel like to overcome some serious personal challenges, take your life in a completely different direction, and realize how powerful a rush it is to be sober -- all of your wits about you -- and enjoying life for the first time in a mighty damn long time. You can't possibly understand what it's like to be out there on the sharp end, thousands of feet above the ground, and fully aware and in charge of your senses when only months before all you knew was the misery, isolation, desperation, and monotony of not caring if you even lived another day.
And you have only yourself to blame for creating this misconception.
Peace out
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Hey, I was skeptical at first, but he seems to be into the sport, made a commitment to training and making his lifestyle better. I didn't get the feeling that his el cap ascent was another situation of the "I'll pay you $100,000 to drag my sorry ass up Everest" syndrome like has been happening in the himalaya's for years. In the end, hell, he's climbed el cap and I haven't, in plenty of people's opinions on this site, that makes him more of a hard-core climber than me. And in some ways I agree. Good for him.
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In reply to: randomtask wrote: That's really cool that Jack O climbed el cap...but if you do it without drugs thats kinda lame. -JR What's even lamer than that is people who think I was serious. Get off yourselves...go get high. HAha. -JR |
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Good for Jack, but that doesn't top his father (while touring with Motley Crue) snorting up his nose with a straw a trail of live ants on a picnic table.
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In reply to: Good for Jack, but that doesn't top his father (while touring with Motley Crue) snorting up his nose with a straw a trail of live ants on a picnic table. cl
That's not cool at all man you have no idead what its lik to be in that kind of an addiction. Being ant free is the way to go through life. The sooner you figure this out, the better off you will be as a person and you'll also be less of a sinner.
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In reply to: In reply to: Good for Jack, but that doesn't top his father (while touring with Motley Crue) snorting up his nose with a straw a trail of live ants on a picnic table. cl That's not cool at all man you have no idead what its lik to be in that kind of an addiction. Being ant free is the way to go through life. The sooner you figure this out, the better off you will be as a person and you'll also be less of a sinner. -JR
I know guy...whimper...you're right...sniffle...
I too have an ant problem. I might....gulp... need an ant intervention...uncontrollable weeping
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In reply to: In reply to: Mr. McFoley, what went on in your head (Oh) Mr. McFoley, did you talk to the rocker's kid? Your post to me seemed so bitter With the thrill of the fall You trolled all the people with glitter (Yea)You waited on Satan's call Mr. McFoley... DMT awesome! Good song :D I'd like to see Ozzy get up that wall
I love your song! Mr. Crowley himself was a climber too. Kinda spookie! I'm proud of Jack, but let's hope that he doesn't aspire to Aleister Crowley's ethics like leaving sherpas to die in an avalanche!
I wish I still had my Black Sabbath t-shirt from high school :lol: That thing was cool and I'd still wear it today. (I had a KISS shirt, too!)
Good job, Jack! Climb on! (and tell yer dad to Rock On!)
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Jack can do it how he wants. I earn my sends my way, and that is fulfilling to me. Not Jack or anyone else can ever take any of that away from me, and my opinion can't do anything to him. Good on him for leading 6 pitches on Salathe...
Personally, I'm glad that I am considered nobody in the climbing community and the world at large... Imagine what it's like to have your participation and efforts in any new sport or hobby criticized by hundreds of strangers no matter what you do? Everyone will question your commitment, your desire, your effort, etc... F that. Anonymity kicks ass.
And long story short, nobody and nothing is stopping any of us from getting up El Cap. If you really want it, then you're wasting your time complaining about some rich kid who is living out your dream. Get out and do it yourself. Nobody is stopping you.
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I say Nice job to Jack
Thats pretty impressive, off drungs, lost wait , AND climbing friggen el cap
wow
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I don't know if anyone checked it out, but last night I happened to accidentally catch "Jack Osbourne: Adrenaline Junkie" on cable TV's Travel Channel. It was a three part series (1 hour each) that chronicled his desire to get get in shapein 6 months time for the El Cap climb. I only happened to catch the last 40 minutes of th third episode, the one dealing with his climb up El Cap.
They will be re-running this series this Sunday, January 8th. The El Cap one is at 2pm, but I don't know if that's eastern or pacific. Check out travel.discovery.com and do a search for "Jack Osbourne" and you'll find the url links.
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Yeah, I caught most of that show. It was kind of funny. Apparently he went kick boxing in Thailand, climbing in the Verdun gorge, running from the bulls in Pampalona and topped it off by climbing the Salathe (which they pronounced salAHthay). They fixed some ropes on the first day, camped in Curry, Jummared up and spent 5 days climbing the rest.
He was kind of whining the first three days and wanted to go down, but the head guide, a young British climber, put up with it and got them to the top. You could tell that he was getting pretty fed up though. I don't know how hard he climbed but he was really leading some of the time which is impressive, although no one's going to mistake him for a Valley regular.
The Commentary was kind of funny to. The crux of the Climb was the "Extremely dangerous headwall, an overhanging slab of danger." (I'm paraphrasing, but not the overhanging slab part.")
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In reply to: The Commentary was kind of funny to. The crux of the Climb was the "Extremely dangerous headwall, an overhanging slab of danger." (I'm paraphrasing, but not the overhanging slab part.")
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HEHE! I saw all three episode of Jack's show on TLC last night. I must admit, I thought the kid made a pretty amazing turn around in his life, and it's pretty cool that climbing took a hold of him the way it did. He already new he was going to endure a difficult detox, but he chose climbing as the focus of it all, which is pretty cool... The kick boxing in Thailand was pretty entertaining to... He boxed a guy with 350 bouts to his name and KNOCKED him OUT! They were both still a little... tubby... for the match-up though...
But ROCK ON! He finished the Salathe', and he lead six pitches of it! Not only that, he lead every pitch of a 1000' climb in the Verdon as well! It made me feel pretty good seeing him do all that!
But what REALLY topped it off for me was this:
When getting ready to go for the gold and climb the Salathe', Jack and his friends jokingly hypothesized what it would be like to fall off near the top...
With "Bean" counting in the back ground (something like 10 or 15 seconds), Jack made his "falling noises" and comments like he was taking the dive... Then Bean says "that's a LONG time to think about dying!"
And Jack says: "Yeah, but it's better than getting cancer!"
I laughed. :lol:
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I saw all three episodes and had mixed emotions. A lot of it was the canned, pseudo hype I expected. There were quite a few times I had some genuine laughs. There were some times I was impressed by his effort but turned off by his pitty party whining. It did keep me entertained for three hours. Better than listening to one of Kelly's songs! All in all I respect Jack for the commitment to shed the lbs, kick the drugs and climb on.
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I've taken a fair share of people up their first walls and I can tell you that there is no way to make anyone comfortable and safe feeling in the face of the yawning void.
If Jack got up El Cap it's because he faced his fear. Maybe the camera's rolling added pressure not to wimp out, but his accomplishment was far from nothing. Lots of folks want out after the first night.
If he really led 6 pitches, that's practically astounding. Which 6?
Sure, it's not like he soloed the thing but I'm still proud of him
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Good for him if he's into it, I was annoyed, however, that Outside opted to cover that instead of mentioning Tommy Caldwell & Beth Roddens recent valley exploits. Next issue.... J.Lo spotted free soloing in Ceuse.
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Congrats to Jack. He finally got off drugs and booze.
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In reply to: Hahaha I was at camp four when he did it. At sunday morning coffee we all made fun of his ass!!
I just looked at your profile and you have been climbing for 6 months Jack has probably been climbing longer than U. LOL
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In reply to: most climbers, including myself, feel that if someone who's famous, which 99% of the time has alot of $$$$$$$$$$$$$$, will just buy their way to climb, while everybody else, earns it....those first few years of learning and obsessing is our right of passage and we feel violated when some yuppie buys their way through
i strongly agree. if we all had inherited money and never had to work a day in our life and were able buy whatever the fuck we wanted everybody on this site would have climbed el cap. i have little respect for him and the absolute highest for those who have made it their life long goal to climb el cap and have done such through a lifetime of hard work and saving. Not for someone who spent 6 months training and then was able to hire somebody to show him how to climb and guide him up el cap. Next thing u know hes gonna be hiring somebody to carry his fat ass up everest. To me ive always felt that accomplishing something big in climbing has always been about hard work and desire to do it on your own. This accomplishment of his deserves no credit from the climbing community.
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I read the articles, he sounds more like a regular climber who is now passed the begginer stage knows what he is talking about. I can relate to a lot of what he says, such as being intimidated by a 5.9 crack when sport leading a 10b face route is trivial. He is a direct contrast to a lot of celebrity climbers, who when they talk about climbing just want joe public to know how great they think they are.
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btw, it is a reality show, so the editors show him whining all the time. What else are they going to show, him quietly belaying, that would have been boring for non-climbers. Admit it, climbing itself is booooring to watch for non-climbers, sometimes even for climbers. So, they edit him whining and complaining, just like the viewer might expect from a spoiled kid.
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In reply to: i strongly agree. if we all had inherited money and never had to work a day in our life and were able buy whatever the f--- we wanted everybody on this site would have climbed el cap. i have little respect for him and the absolute highest for those who have made it their life long goal to climb el cap and have done such through a lifetime of hard work and saving. Not for someone who spent 6 months training and then was able to hire somebody to show him how to climb and guide him up el cap. Next thing u know hes gonna be hiring somebody to carry his fat ass up everest. To me ive always felt that accomplishing something big in climbing has always been about hard work and desire to do it on your own. This accomplishment of his deserves no credit from the climbing community.
your a tool dude.
why the hell does everyone think it takes a life time of commitment and hard work to get up el cap. hard work, yes, for a lifetime? no. money? yes. thousands? hell no. spend some time in the valley and you'll see. but wait, you should probably spend three years digging ditches before you go..so others can commend you for your achievement. to me, he is just another dude on the captain living life.
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Who cares if he has lots of cash and can afford to spend more time out climbing than most. Good for him. Many within the climbing community have plenty of cash and no one is bashing them. Dosn't Reinhold Messner live in castle somewhere? I could be wrong but I thought I had heard he is filthy rich and dedicated much of his life to climbing. No one is giving him too much of a hard time...
How about all the "trust fund babys" out there who can afford to work little and climb hard.
Plenty of climbers are fortunate enough to spend much of their time training hard and climbing lots. Do they only have to be poor, dirt bag climbers to be considered any good? Climbing all day is climbing all day. What does it matter whats in their pockets.
The only thing that makes Jack different is that he is a celebrity. People watch and nit pick. Never once in the series does he claim to be anything he is not. Even after leading 1000 feet in france he makes the comment that he hopes the climbing community will accept him as a climber now (or somthing to that effect). On el cap he fully admits he is in over his head but pushes on. He trained hard for 6 mos and I give him all the credit in the world. I could give a crap less how much (or how little) money he has.
My guess is much of the criticism here is rooted more in jealousy than anything else. I aslo suspect that if any of you won the lottery tommorow, you too would quit working and start climbing more. Why not??
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I especially liked it when he called his mommy when he got scared. That was seriously fantastic. Props to him for making it up, but it would have been funny if he pus@ied out, because then a new word would have been born for climbers. "hey, I heard you pulled a nice Jack Osborne the other day on such and such...haha" I like it.
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The same criticism that folks have for Jack's money could be said for Sharma's or Tori Allen's Genetics. We all have gifts and we all have obstacles.
Sometimes the gifts are also obstacles. When folks are throwing money and babes at you, why bother to climb?
Jack didn't have to climb El Cap. He had to work harder than the vast majority of climbers just to lose the weight and stupidity just to do what he did.
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In reply to: In reply to: most climbers, including myself, feel that if someone who's famous, which 99% of the time has alot of $$$$$$$$$$$$$$, will just buy their way to climb, while everybody else, earns it....those first few years of learning and obsessing is our right of passage and we feel violated when some yuppie buys their way through i strongly agree. if we all had inherited money and never had to work a day in our life and were able buy whatever the f--- we wanted everybody on this site would have climbed el cap. i have little respect for him and the absolute highest for those who have made it their life long goal to climb el cap and have done such through a lifetime of hard work and saving. Not for someone who spent 6 months training and then was able to hire somebody to show him how to climb and guide him up el cap. Next thing u know hes gonna be hiring somebody to carry his fat ass up everest. To me ive always felt that accomplishing something big in climbing has always been about hard work and desire to do it on your own. This accomplishment of his deserves no credit from the climbing community.
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In reply to: In reply to: most climbers, including myself, feel that if someone who's famous, which 99% of the time has alot of $$$$$$$$$$$$$$, will just buy their way to climb, while everybody else, earns it....those first few years of learning and obsessing is our right of passage and we feel violated when some yuppie buys their way through i strongly agree. if we all had inherited money and never had to work a day in our life and were able buy whatever the f--- we wanted everybody on this site would have climbed el cap. i have little respect for him and the absolute highest for those who have made it their life long goal to climb el cap and have done such through a lifetime of hard work and saving. Not for someone who spent 6 months training and then was able to hire somebody to show him how to climb and guide him up el cap. Next thing u know hes gonna be hiring somebody to carry his fat ass up everest. To me ive always felt that accomplishing something big in climbing has always been about hard work and desire to do it on your own. This accomplishment of his deserves no credit from the climbing community.
Give it a rest! Jeez. Where is the rule that says you have to climb for X number of years to make El Cap a dream accomplished?! The first time he tried climbing he didn't even know what El Cap was, he just liked climbing, and it took hold like it has for MOST of us on this site! Then he saw El Cap, and OF COURSE he wanted to do it! What climber doesn't?! Don't even tell me that if you had had an opportunity like that your first year you would have said "no, actually, I haven't climbed long enough to earn my right of passage, so I'm afraid I'll have to wait." I've been climbing for 10 years, is that long enough? Obviously not for me, since I haven't done it yet... "LONG ENOUGH" is the moment you top out, bro, and that's that! For Jack it was 6 months, and a HELL of a detox.
Oh, and maybe you should re-read the forum, and some of the articles, cause incase you hadn't noticed, he ain't fat anymore. In fact, he had a six pack after finishing the Salathe'... I haven't had a six pack since highschool... but I'm working on it! Hopefully in a couple more years I'll have earned my right of passage to chiseled abs...
Last of all, leading 6 pitches is hardly having your a$$ hauled up a wall... They were his friends, and it was a first for all 3 of them on El Cap. Even one of his climbing partners was in tears when they finished. (Those Brits... cry babies!) :cry:
I don't know why I feel like pulling for the guy, I just do. I believe he's legit, and he's made me want to work harder... just some 19 year old kid... imagine that.
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Good for Jack .. He looks soooo much better ... I hope he keeps climbing for many years to come.
Oh ya and for the guy who is bitter .. Finding people who climb outside a gym and are safe about it can be a challenge for newbies. And doing big wall what do you expect?
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you know what really shocked me???
this:
In reply to: You live part-time in California and part-time in England, yet, your first climb was in Slovenia; how did that happen? Two of my climbing partners, Mike Weeks and Bean Sopwith (I did Salathe with them), were working on a TV show I randomly did on a whim, called “Extreme Celebrity Detox.” The show was about climbing and mediation in the mountains. I went for the climbing because I thought I would try it out. The first R-rated film I was allowed to see, at age six, was Cliffhanger. I always had this weird fascination with climbing. I tried it out and loved it. Mike and I became good friends on the show and I went out to Croatia where he was filming a deep-water-soloing movie called Depth Charge. I had no idea what I was getting into. I went out there with Chris Sharma, Leo Houlding, Steve McClure, just amazing climbers, and I was 215 pounds deep-water soloing with Chris Sharma. Now, now I realize how surreal that is. Back then I didn’t know who Chris Sharma was. I like to surround myself with people who climb hard because it inspires me, and I think, ‘I want to climb like that.’ Can you describe the moment when you knew you were sold on climbing? In Slovenia, we did three climbs and after the first one I thought “this is amazing” and I wanted to do another one. I don’t know, I seemed to get on with it well. I wasn’t scared of the height and I didn’t feel unsafe at any point. I just went with it.
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i didnt know he was in slovenia. im suprised he even knows we exist. :wink: maybe hell try to follow s. houses footsteps.
anyway, im wonderig wich 3 climbs they did. seems to me theyve shouldve gotten some more climbs in. because if they were in one of the more popular areas (and i gues they were) its imho a waste of time to just do 3 climbs.
anyway, kudos to him for climbing salathe. even if he only jumared the thing. definitely a step up from lazy, fat kid i was used to from the osbournes.
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In reply to: when i pulled up to my dorm in mybenz no one wanted to be friends with me. we all have to deal with what we got.
Your not gonna get me to understand your pain with this kind of comment. We all have to deal with what we got. I got a bike and you got a benz.
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In reply to: In reply to: when i pulled up to my dorm in mybenz no one wanted to be friends with me. we all have to deal with what we got. Your not gonna get me to understand your pain with this kind of comment. We all have to deal with what we got. I got a bike and you got a benz.
Ohhhh.He pulled up to his dorm in his Benz and nobody wanted to be friend with him.
Poor bastard.
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In reply to: In reply to: when i pulled up to my dorm in mybenz no one wanted to be friends with me. we all have to deal with what we got. Your not gonna get me to understand your pain with this kind of comment. We all have to deal with what we got. I got a bike and you got a benz.
ROFLMAO :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Good for Jack .. He looks so much better ... I think he lost 150 pounds that is a big deal he is NOT fat anymore... I hope he keeps climbing for many years to come.
I never read the rule that said you had to be poor to climb ... You have to give the guy some credit he did 6 pitches of lead climbing on El Cap. Stop the hate.. love life and do what you will.
Yosemite can get crazy and there is always the risk of death on big-wall. On my first day living in the valley, right after I was assigned my tent, I saw a guy take a fall and die on El Cap. I do NOT think it's OK to laugh at people before they climb anything in the valley.
love and light,
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PS .. what was dick cheney doing on 911/ once you find out you will not believe it...
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I wonder if Jack ever comes to this site, and if he has if he ever saw this thread?
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Way to Go. That kid looks good now.
Overhanging slab of rock. Slab can be like a slab of meet. No ref to angles.
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I want to know what route they did in Verdon. Looks like my speed.
I want to hang with Bean. MMM MMM
Just say it on the TV. Travel channel.
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In reply to: I think it's great. He has enough money to do anything he wants and he is driven by climbing.
I tropied this. I totally agree. I'm a member of the climbing community, and I say welcome to the fold Brother Jack.
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After watching them climb El Cap on the Travel Channel, i have come to the conclusion that none of the people on the show should of been up there! After only climbing 1 year Jack should definitely should not have gone close to doing that. His to trainers seemed on the show, just as incompetent as jack who is an fledgeling climber. If you listened in the show it listed the people-- 2 "rope riggers", a cameraman, jack, mike, and bean. It sounds to me like they were top roped all the way up.
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In reply to: After watching them climb El Cap on the Travel Channel, i have come to the conclusion that none of the people on the show should of been up there! After only climbing 1 year Jack should definitely should not have gone close to doing that. His to trainers seemed on the show, just as incompetent as jack who is an fledgeling climber. If you listened in the show it listed the people-- 2 "rope riggers", a cameraman, jack, mike, and bean. It sounds to me like they were top roped all the way up.
Rope riggers were necessary for the camera and production crew (which consisted of more than just a single cameraman). This was a television production, it was more than just Jack, Mike, and Bean up on El Cap.
Jack, Mike, and Bean climbed El Capitan while the production crew kept up with them (and climbed above and below them for filming). Not to mention the fact that they could very well have had to deal with union rules regarding safety, etc. on a television production.
It amazes me the elitist attitude that exists on this site. Rather than giving Jack kudos for trying to turn his life around and enjoying rock climbing... you tear him down.
Last time I checked rock climbing wasn't about rich or poor, celebrity or nobody, fat or thin... it was about the enjoyment that climbing brings to those that do it.
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Guy sounds pretty humble about the whole thing. He lands in a boat with Sharma and other climbing greats doing some deepwater soloing. Which he later realized and admitted how lucky he was to experience.
I wonder if California will ban him for peeing off El Cap, the same way the city of San Antonio did after his dad stained the Alamo?
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In reply to: PS .. what was dick cheney doing on 911/ once you find out you will not believe it...
what was dick cheney doing on 9/11, climbing?
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Us Califronians pretty much dig the son of satan climber. We dig his old man too. You guys think ptpp hauls big loads... he never had to climb with dear old dad's image welded to his ass.
That kid's got stones. I hope he stays in the tribe. He sounds like he's 'got the makin's.'
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Here's a fact people: Jack was born into riches, he wasn't given the choice of leading a regular life, he was born the son of one of the most well known rock stars ever. He's had money all his life and he's allowed to use it as he sees fit, and so therefore he does. Does that mean that what he does with it, even if in far more extravagant ways then we could ever dream of, doesn't mean just as much to him? He made a goal for himself, and he accomplished it, even if he did seem like a wuss about it at times, he still made his dreams come true. That's alot more then most people can say, most of us give up on what we dream of without ever trying to even really get there. Congratulations to him. Even if he does have the money to buy the best rehabilitation help, the best personal trainers, the best coaches, he still had to make that choice on his own, and he still had to see it through on his own, and he did.
To all of you that bitch about his money, if you were born into a life of riches you damn well would do the exact same thing, you would spend in excess, you would buy the newest and best, you would do the same thing that every rich person does, and the only reason that any of you have to knock him is because you know that you'll never have that life, and because of that you become malignant about it instead of understanding what all of this must have meant to him. This was the end of a journey for him, the end of a string of accomplishments that too many people out there wouldn't have the will power to finish. I have been on such a journey, I know what it means to see your life going to destruction, I know what it means to finally come to the point where you take your life back into your own hands, it's not something that everyone has the power to do, and I know, after 5 years of setting things straight, what it feels like to look back on where you've come from and to know that you've finally reached your goal. There's nothing like it, one can't describe it, and all the money or opportunities in the world don't matter because you know that wasn't what got you where you were, it was your shear will power, your determination to win. If you think that his accomplishments are any less meaningful to him then any of your personal successes your a fool. How many of you can say you've been on such a journey?
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I could care less about whether he is rich or poor, the point i was trying to make was that they did not seem ready or competent enough to be climbing a big wall. That is what i got from watching the Travel Channel show about them climbing. All he did the whole way up was complain and whine. I have never climbed El Cap, but what did he expect it to be, it is never as easy as they say. Also he had only been climbing for 1 year, and unless he was climbing all the time and practicing big wall techniques a lot he probably should be thrown up there for a tv show.
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Watched this on the tube. Thought it was pretty cool, all 'n' all. Liked the footage from places I'd been to. Also, Jack did some shit; a slow guided trip up the Salathe is a long way from clubbing. Good for him!
no mention of the Hollow flake, however.
And WTF was up with doing the falls trail for descent? Twice!
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In reply to: I could care less about whether he is rich or poor, the point i was trying to make was that they did not seem ready or competent enough to be climbing a big wall. That is what i got from watching the Travel Channel show about them climbing. All he did the whole way up was complain and whine. I have never climbed El Cap, but what did he expect it to be, it is never as easy as they say. Also he had only been climbing for 1 year, and unless he was climbing all the time and practicing big wall techniques a lot he probably should be thrown up there for a tv show.
As another poster already pointed out... the climb lasted 5 nights and you saw the entire climb edited down to less than 1 hour. Of course they showed him whining and complaining, they were trying to show how hard it is.
Ready? Competent? It doesn't really matter... he did it and made it to the top. While he doesn't have the experience of a climber who has been doing it for 10 years, I'm sure he gained valuable experience on the climb itself.
Complain all you want, the fact of the matter is he successfully climbed El Capitan and you can't take that way from him.
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God, this thread is full of some real couch-riding, hater pussies. There's nothing like a bunch of dorks debating something that a.) doesn't matter, and b.) most will never acheive, despite the fact that they're 'real climbers'... LOL. Face it, you guys hating on friggin' jack osbourne are just pissed off because he has the resources ($), time, and committment to do something you'll never do. Hurts, doesn't it? Makes you feel like less of a climber, doesn't it? Only if you're a petty idiot.
Good for that kid. He's better off having some fun bouldering and hacking his way up some rock, guided or not, than rotting away from bad addictions and a sedentary lifestyle.
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In reply to: Here's a fact people: Jack was born into riches, he wasn't given the choice of leading a regular life, he was born the son of one of the most well known rock stars ever. He's had money all his life and he's allowed to use it as he sees fit, and so therefore he does. Does that mean that what he does with it, even if in far more extravagant ways then we could ever dream of, doesn't mean just as much to him? He made a goal for himself, and he accomplished it, even if he did seem like a wuss about it at times, he still made his dreams come true. That's alot more then most people can say, most of us give up on what we dream of without ever trying to even really get there. Congratulations to him. Even if he does have the money to buy the best rehabilitation help, the best personal trainers, the best coaches, he still had to make that choice on his own, and he still had to see it through on his own, and he did. To all of you that b---- about his money, if you were born into a life of riches you damn well would do the exact same thing, you would spend in excess, you would buy the newest and best, you would do the same thing that every rich person does, and the only reason that any of you have to knock him is because you know that you'll never have that life, and because of that you become malignant about it instead of understanding what all of this must have meant to him. This was the end of a journey for him, the end of a string of accomplishments that too many people out there wouldn't have the will power to finish. I have been on such a journey, I know what it means to see your life going to destruction, I know what it means to finally come to the point where you take your life back into your own hands, it's not something that everyone has the power to do, and I know, after 5 years of setting things straight, what it feels like to look back on where you've come from and to know that you've finally reached your goal. There's nothing like it, one can't describe it, and all the money or opportunities in the world don't matter because you know that wasn't what got you where you were, it was your shear will power, your determination to win. If you think that his accomplishments are any less meaningful to him then any of your personal successes your a fool. How many of you can say you've been on such a journey?
My feeling about the rich people that live the life and spend in excess. Those are the good rich people. The ones that cling to and collect wealth and keep their cash tight in fist, they don't do much for me. See the one out there spending his funds on a big house, big car, or paying a crew to haul him up El Cap....they are keeping their cash moving, and likewise are keeping construction workers, auto workers, and even a few climbers gainfully employed. The guy sitting at home counting his cash doesn't do as much for the rest of the world.
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In reply to: Watched this on the tube. Thought it was pretty cool, all 'n' all. Liked the footage from places I'd been to. Also, Jack did some s---; a slow guided trip up the Salathe is a long way from clubbing. Good for him! no mention of the Hollow flake, however. And WTF was up with doing the falls trail for descent? Twice!
Funny, I thought the same thing; guess it's hard to capture the 'emotion' of HF, Ear and last pitch (among others) on film...(?)
I'd rather watch this (even if it emphasized drama) than most other schlock.
We were by far worse off than them at the top. But we didn't use the Falls Trail!
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9 Pages on Jack! Amazing how "popular" individuals get all the attention ...
Anyway, not reading all the post before, I just have to say that after watching the documentary on the Travel Channel, I have more respect for him then I ever had. He did admit that climbing has produced more of a high then anything else he had ever taken (drugs, drinking, you name it) in his life. He felt more Alive! Is this not what we all are looking for??
He did the Thai Boxing, the Bull Run, and so on with just on thing in mind, and that was he had stated that he was going to climb El Cap and he did. Many times he wanted to turn back to his old self but did not. If anything, we should admire his determination and success.
And yes, his $$ did allow him to do what most of us only dream about. Suck it up bros! Jealousy sucks!
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I loved the show... funnest entertainment I've seen on TV in a long time. I got totally into it, I found myself feeling sorry for Jack at some points (when he couldn't help but be a twit) and envying him others (turned his life around in 6 months). Mind you I don't watch TV all that much but still, it was better than watching most of the other crap aired these days. I think over all what Jack did for himself is very commendable.
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Now he is healthy and clean, yes he still is a Gumby, but it is his first year climbing. The real test is will he be climbing in five years. I see why every one is so bent, yes he can go in to the Bent Gate and buy it out, I can’t so I resent his $$$. Yet I must say he is trying. He even mentioned that he would have a long road to ho, to prove him self to us climbers. A year ago he was on MTV showing of his custom car, stoned and alone in his wealth, I felt so sorry for him. I remember being a Gumby with new draws in the New thinking the same dammed thing. Years later I have lived in a truck, moved across the U.S. and spent all my extra $$$ to climb. It would have been great to get the help he did at the start. I did in a lot of ways, in the form of love and support from my parents if not in cash.I still had to work to get respect from my peers, it look as if he is trying. I think that it is hard to see him get so much attention, that we didn’t get when we started. I love that his parents supported him in this, they love him very much. My mother was the same way. If you read this jack come out to Eldo We can swap leads.
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In reply to: Now he is healthy and clean, yes he still is a Gumby, but it is his first year climbing. The real test is will he be climbing in five years. I see why every one is so bent, yes he can go in to the Bent Gate and buy it out, I can’t so I resent his $$$. Yet I must say he is trying. He even mentioned that he would have a long road to ho, to prove him self to us climbers. A year ago he was on MTV showing of his custom car, stoned and alone in his wealth, I felt so sorry for him. I remember being a Gumby with new draws in the New thinking the same dammed thing. Years later I have lived in a truck, moved across the U.S. and spent all my extra $$$ to climb. It would have been great to get the help he did at the start. I did in a lot of ways, in the form of love and support from my parents if not in cash.I still had to work to get respect from my peers, it look as if he is trying. I think that it is hard to see him get so much attention, that we didn’t get when we started. I love that his parents supported him in this, they love him very much. My mother was the same way. If you read this jack come out to Eldo We can swap leads.
This post forced me to realize another facet of what Jack'O is facing here. I was a Noob, I had buddies as my sponsors and they introduced me around and took me climing and gave me lots of support, all in relative privacy. Then, I imagine Jacks journey....he has to deal with the public eye following him everywhere. Surely many climbers already know who he is and have already formed an opinon of him. He has to face that everywhere he goes. Then, one year into climbing and you stick me on a big wall and send massive camer contingent to follow me around....I would be hating it, the pressure has to be intense. Many of us might crack under the heat of the camera lights. Just my insight, and two hundreths.
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epicsaga
Mar 2, 2006, 7:06 AM
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The climbing was probably more realistic then the BS muay thai fight after a couple of weeks training, which he "won" because it was fixed. That was the fakest fight I've seen. At the end, after competing in a brutal sport he wasn't bruised or bleeding!
What did you all think about his getting daily colonic irrigations, only drinking clay shakes and fasting (not eating) supplements such as colloidal silver (a fine suspension of the metal in water), which supposedly boosts immunity for 2 weeks in Thailand between kickboxing training sessions? Do any reputable nutritionists/trainers etc recommend driking clay shakes, fasting, collodial silver and colonics? Seems really unhealthy...and dubious science.
If he lost all the weight without diet drugs I commend him more then Anna Nicole! Curious to see if he keeps it off.
I predict Jack will attempt Everest or even the 7 summits. It'll be interesting to see if he actually climbs them or has sherpas carry him to the summit.
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healyje
Mar 2, 2006, 10:01 AM
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So is Jack still climbing? Where and with whom? I would think if it was really sticking he'd be spending about 6 months to a year dirtbagging (well as dirtbag as someone like Jack is going to go...).
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He's the son of Ozzie! How can you hate on him? Some people you just naturally respect. Sounds like climbing is going to change his life for the better. Must have been the Ozbourne's good parenting that eventually led Jack to discover a new world of values and experience. Good story.
Black Sabbath!
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OK, I have been refraining from making many posts anymore, but I need to chime in here.
To those of you who are poo-pooing his rehab - you are either using addicts/alchoholics or you are one of the lucky human beings that doesn't suffer from those compulsions. I have been a drug addict and an alchoholic, and i have been clean and sober for over six years now. I know quite well the hell he went thru, and he's damned lucky, as am I to have discovered climbing. Climbing has been a big part of my recovery, and I hope it remains a big part of his as well.
As far as his "not deserving to be up there" - yeah, that would have been true if they had to build a ratchet and haul his ass alongside the pig - but he led a few pitches of the Salathe, which is a hell of a lot more then I can do right now. So what if he did it after only a year of climbing - he spent six months training his ass off for that climb. Climbing is a personalized journey, friends - and have any of you stopped to think that, if his love for this sport continues to grow, what a positive influence he could have on this sport? True, it could be negative as well, but that is HIS personal journey, not yours. And those of you that want to sit here and roast on him, could easily persuade him to be a negative influence or quit altogether. This kid has the time, resources, and shows that he might have a lot of ability, to do a hell of a lot of good for climbing. I guarantee that some of those kids that saw that show went to the gym to try it out for themselves. Maybe an addict saw that show and went to a meeting. How many people have you infected with your negative attitudes toward new climbers? As far as I am concerned, from what I can see, is that we have a new climber in our ranks. I don't care that he is "ozzie's son", I care that he is a climber, that is out there putting hands on rocks. But on that note, think about this - yes he has money, and time, that most of us will never have. But he also had to grow up in the shadow of his father - and deal with living with him - and Ozzie is in pretty bad shape. Added to that, a long struggle with drugs and booze that many people die from. And he came out of that, and managed to do something that many of us only dream of. I hope to climb a big wall someday, but my journey will be a lot longer then his, if it happens at all. But thats ok too - my journey is my own.
One final note here. I don't see where a 6 month climber has any right to "sit in camp 4 drinking coffee and laughing his ass off". Um, dude, you were sitting on your ass spewing - he was climbing the Salathe. At that moment, who was more of a climber?
And about his "whining" - I see plenty of 5.12 climbers in Red Rock whining and bitching on climbs every week. I've done my share of it, and I suspect you have too. And you are making that judgement based on a very edited video.
I really hope that Jack sees this thread sometime, and I will say the same thing here that I would say to his face:
Welcome to the family, climb hard, and stay safe. Congratulations Jack!
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Again, does anyone have any idea if he's kept climbing? Where? With whom?
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The real test will be staying clean and thin in the future.
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I would like to DOWNLOAD the series. Can anyone get it for me or say where to get it? I can't find it on torrent sites.
martina@nbnet.nb.ca if you can help.
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ihategrigris
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In reply to: I would like to DOWNLOAD the series. Can anyone get it for me or say where to get it? I can't find it on torrent sites. martina@nbnet.nb.ca if you can help.
You do know thats theft right? You might as well go into a video store and steal the DVD.
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shanz
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Bored on a sunday and was thinking about the fact that i see so many people bashing Jack not on his accomplishment but rather because he has money. Got me to thinking the fact is that according to the wall street journal nearly 70% of americans live paycheck to paycheck. Fact is that the ozman has a large house and expensive cars (i contributed to that lol) but most of those who have those kind of lifestyles have insanely high debt. Anyone can accumulate wealth if they alter there lifestyle by living within their means and saving money and investing it properly.(Trust me i got on the dave ramsey plan and it has changed my life!) So i guess i dont see the point of whos son he is matter but rather hes out there climbing and living life to the fullest.
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In reply to: Again, does anyone have any idea if he's kept climbing? Where? With whom?
I read in an English climbing mag that he was to do some deep water soloing for a movie. He was suposed to be the draw card if Sharma didn't show. Something like that anyway. It was a couple of months ago when I read it.
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brokentaylor
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I encourage anyone to lead a healthy, fit and happy life. Climbing is for the few who really want to push limits. I am excited when anyone works hard for any level of climbing(including jack osbourne). It is when the little shit decided to turn climbing into a f***kin TV sitcom that pisses me off.
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Jack Osborn is now here in New Zealand working on another series of "Adrenalin Junkie" lots of rafting and bungy jumping but haven't heard much about climbing.
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