From a sport climbers perspective...
The 12 Days of Christmas of a sport climber.



1. Climbing is done on lead.

- Last night you asked if I wanted to go CLIMBING tomorrow. Climbing is done on lead; top rope is for training and noobs. Today you were pissing your pants three feet above a ½” bolt on a 5.8. Grow some balls and get some mileage on lead. I am tired of always belaying you on TR. STOP FOLLOWING, START LEADING. It’s one thing to be scared 15 feet above the last bolt over 5.12 moves but to be top roping 5.11 and hanging 5.8 is pitiful. Next time get your shit together and get on lead. If you need more practice I will work with you but top roping is not going to do shit for you.

2. Show up all the time, show up on time.

- Today I was sitting in my car at high noon at the crag and I got a call from you, “umm I uhha lost my cell in my umma the uhha grass so I can’t umm climb today”. YOU’RE FIRED! Show up ON TIME ALL THE TIME. You have held down a job before right? Obviously you are capable of being at an assigned place at an assigned time; it’s not that damm hard. The next time you stand me up I am deleting you from my phone and I am telling everyone at the crag how much of a shit bag you are.

3. Stop short roping me!

- You think “oh shit he is climbing a hard line I better keep him tight because he might fall”. Instead you should be thinking “he is definitely going to fall because I am pulling him off the damm wall”. There is plenty of distance between me and the ground, give me some damm slack. The next time you pull me off the wall I am throwing a quickdraw at you.

4. Keep the appropriate amount of slack in the rope all the time.

- My foot didn’t pass the last bolt but I stopped 20 feet down. How the hell did that happen…? Belaying is not done with a loop of rope coiled on the ground between me and you. Wake the hell up, apart from a 15 foot dyno there is no way in hell I would ever need that much rope instantly. Two feet of slack in the line is appropriate. It’s not hard to keep only two feet out without short roping the climber. If a bit more is needed for a dynamic move, so be it, but if the rope touches the ground YOU’RE FIRED.

5. Provide a dynamic belay when appropriate.

- The next time I take a seven foot fall and I question whether I accidently grabbed the static rope out of the closet this morning, YOU’RE FIRED. Static catches rips gear and breaks ankles. I am 50 feet off the ground I am not going to hit the ground so JUMP! I am tired to saying “hey man please remember to jump the next time I fall so I don’t swing into the wall”. Learn how to fucking belay, dynamic belays are a crucial part of lead belaying and they are not hard to perform. If you don’t know how to do it ASK!

6. Stand up and pay attention!

- How the hell are you going to provide a static, dynamic or running belay if you’re sitting on your ass day dreaming about the 5.8 you’re going to hang on next? How are you going to react to a lead fall appropriate if you’re flirting with the dude five lines down? The next time I am ten feet above the last bolt and I look down and see you playing with a Gecko on the rock, YOU’RE FIRED.

7. When you climb with me you climb with ME.

- Last night you asked if I wanted to go climbing tomorrow. Today you show up with a different partner. “Oh, sorry I figured you already had a partner”. Why the hell would I call you and ask if you want to go climbing tomorrow if I had no intention of climbing with you?! If I meant in a group, don’t you think I would have specified? Group climbing is cool but not when you’re the only one in the group without a partner because your partner blew you off for someone else... If you want to climb in a group SPECIFY so I can call someone else to bring so it’s actually a group.

8. Shut up beta master.

- If I want to hear someone spray beta about a route eight grades above their top rope limit I will go to the gym. Your useless “just dyno for it” beta is fucking with my concentration. Actually, why don’t you try this 5.13. You seem to know everything about it, I would like to see you onsight it. Just don’t cry when you find out you don’t know a thing about it. If I ask for beta, by all means. But when you see someone on a route they have wired going for the redpoint STFU!

9. Stop with the negative attitude.

- “Oh, I suck; I will never be able to lead 5.12”. Yes you do suck; no you won’t ever be able to lead 5.12. Know why? Because instead of actually working on your goal you just spray your self-remorse pitiful attitude around. It’s fucking depressing man. Actually put some real time and effort into your goal and you will get it.

10. The crag is not a petting zoo.

- I am tired of looking down to find a dog coiled up in my rope. Keep your damm pets at home if they can’t behave themselves. Your little friend is endangering my life because it’s trying to fuck my belayer’s leg. Oh and the next time I have to replace my rope because you’re dog pissed on it, I am taking yours…

11. Keep your hand on the damm rope!

- I don’t give a shit if you’re using a GriGri or not, your hand will be on the rope at all times. A GriGri can slip, it’s not unheard of. The next time I am ten feet above the last bolt and look down to find your hands on your head, YOU’RE FIRED!

12. This is not a talk show, this is climbing.

- I came here to climb, not to hear your life story. Some talking in-between climbs is cool but when I am pulling the crux I don’t want about how much you hate your job. Save that shit for the pizza parlor at the end of the day. Actually save it for someone else.

11. Keep your hand on the damm rope!

9. Stop with the negative attitude.

From a sport climbers perspective...



1. Climbing is done on lead.

- Last night you asked if I wanted to go CLIMBING tomorrow. Climbing is done on lead; top rope is for training and noobs. Today you were pissing your pants three feet above a ½” bolt on a 5.8. Grow some balls and get some mileage on lead. I am tired of always belaying you on TR. STOP FOLLOWING, START LEADING. It’s one thing to be scared 15 feet above the last bolt over 5.12 moves but to be top roping 5.11 and hanging 5.8 is pitiful. Next time get your shit together and get on lead. If you need more practice I will work with you but top roping is not going to do shit for you.

From a sport climbers perspective...



1. Climbing is done on lead.


2. Show up all the time, show up on time.

3. Stop short roping me!

4. Keep the appropriate amount of slack in the rope all the time.

5. Provide a dynamic belay when appropriate.

8. Shut up beta master.

9. Stop with the negative attitude.

From a sport climbers perspective...

complain complain complain

9. Stop with the negative attitude.

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The ironing is thick.....

From a sport climbers perspective...



1. Climbing is done on lead.

- Last night you asked if I wanted to go CLIMBING tomorrow. Climbing is done on lead; top rope is for training and noobs. Today you were pissing your pants three feet above a ½” bolt on a 5.8. Grow some balls and get some mileage on lead. I am tired of always belaying you on TR. STOP FOLLOWING, START LEADING. It’s one thing to be scared 15 feet above the last bolt over 5.12 moves but to be top roping 5.11 and hanging 5.8 is pitiful. Next time get your shit together and get on lead. If you need more practice I will work with you but top roping is not going to do shit for you.

2. Show up all the time, show up on time.

- Today I was sitting in my car at high noon at the crag and I got a call from you, “umm I uhha lost my cell in my umma the uhha grass so I can’t umm climb today”. YOU’RE FIRED! Show up ON TIME ALL THE TIME. You have held down a job before right? Obviously you are capable of being at an assigned place at an assigned time; it’s not that damn hard. The next time you stand me up I am deleting you from my phone and I am telling everyone at the crag how much of a shit bag you are.

3. Stop short roping me!

- You think “oh shit he is climbing a hard line I better keep him tight because he might fall”. Instead you should be thinking “he is definitely going to fall because I am pulling him off the damn wall”. There is plenty of distance between me and the ground, give me some damn slack. The next time you pull me off the wall I am throwing a quickdraw at you.

4. Keep the appropriate amount of slack in the rope all the time.

- My foot didn’t pass the last bolt but I stopped 20 feet down. How the hell did that happen…? Belaying is not done with a loop of rope coiled on the ground between me and you. Wake the hell up, apart from a 15 foot dyno there is no way in hell I would ever need that much rope instantly. Two feet of slack in the line is appropriate. It’s not hard to keep only two feet out without short roping the climber. If a bit more is needed for a dynamic move, so be it, but if the rope touches the ground YOU’RE FIRED.

5. Provide a dynamic belay when appropriate.

- The next time I take a seven foot fall and I question whether I accidently grabbed the static rope out of the closet this morning, YOU’RE FIRED. Static catches rips gear and breaks ankles. I am 50 feet off the ground I am not going to hit the ground so JUMP! I am tired to saying “hey man please remember to jump the next time I fall so I don’t swing into the wall”. Learn how to fucking belay, dynamic belays are a crucial part of lead belaying and they are not hard to perform. If you don’t know how to do it ASK!

6. Stand up and pay attention!

- How the hell are you going to provide a static, dynamic or running belay if you’re sitting on your ass day dreaming about the 5.8 you’re going to hang on next? How are you going to react to a lead fall appropriate if you’re flirting with the dude five lines down? The next time I am ten feet above the last bolt and I look down and see you playing with a Gecko on the rock, YOU’RE FIRED.

7. When you climb with me you climb with ME.

- Last night you asked if I wanted to go climbing tomorrow. Today you show up with a different partner. “Oh, sorry I figured you already had a partner”. Why the hell would I call you and ask if you want to go climbing tomorrow if I had no intention of climbing with you?! If I meant in a group, don’t you think I would have specified? Group climbing is cool but not when you’re the only one in the group without a partner because your partner blew you off for someone else... If you want to climb in a group SPECIFY so I can call someone else to bring so it’s actually a group.

8. Shut up beta master.

- If I want to hear someone spray beta about a route eight grades above their top rope limit I will go to the gym. Your useless “just dyno for it” beta is fucking with my concentration. Actually, why don’t you try this 5.13. You seem to know everything about it, I would like to see you onsight it. Just don’t cry when you find out you don’t know a thing about it. If I ask for beta, by all means. But when you see someone on a route they have wired going for the redpoint STFU!

9. Stop with the negative attitude.

- “Oh, I suck; I will never be able to lead 5.12”. Yes you do suck; no you won’t ever be able to lead 5.12. Know why? Because instead of actually working on your goal you just spray your self-remorse pitiful attitude around. It’s fucking depressing man. Actually put some real time and effort into your goal and you will get it.

10. The crag is not a petting zoo.

- I am tired of looking down to find a dog coiled up in my rope. Keep your damn pets at home if they can’t behave themselves. Your little friend is endangering my life because it’s trying to fuck my belayer’s leg. Oh and the next time I have to replace my rope because you’re dog pissed on it, I am taking yours…

11. Keep your hand on the damn rope!

- I don’t give a shit if you’re using a GriGri or not, your hand will be on the rope at all times. A GriGri can slip, it’s not unheard of. The next time I am ten feet above the last bolt and look down to find your hands on your head, YOU’RE FIRED!

12. This is not a talk show, this is climbing.

- I came here to climb, not to hear your life story. Some talking in-between climbs is cool but when I am pulling the crux I don’t want about how much you hate your job. Save that shit for the pizza parlor at the end of the day. Actually save it for someone else.

i do, howevr, find the dingus-style chatting with the ladies a bit disconcerting when i'm @ the crux.

Consider my record bro... in 35+ years of active climbing I have

1. Never dropped anyone
2. Always caught the lead falls.
3. Never caused a leader to break an ankle
4. Most always get the phone number.

Now if and when you can match that record, let's talk! If you're climbing with me we aren't going to be on anything that will challenge you anyway... you could free solo these lines dude. And if she's a hot red head you just may BE.

DMT

And if she's a hot red head you just may BE.

DMT

What do you suggest?

What do you suggest?

well, it seems your record is pretty impressive.....do you use the non-climbing-related-conversation technique?

i once went 25 ft. on a slab. i slipped while my "pard." was watching the tight spandex next door. I also "solo'ed" tiptoe in josh, while my "belayer" was doing a climbing survey for the park service with this hot coed from CSU.

Jeesus dood, who the hell are you climbing with?

I guess I must not a sport climber because I refuse to climb with self righteous hard weak asses.

...but really prefers belaying you and only opening their mouth to verbally fellate you (if not fellate you out right).

1. Climbing is done on lead.

It’s one thing to be scared 15 feet above the last bolt over 5.12 moves but to be top roping 5.11 and hanging 5.8 is pitiful. Next time get your shit together and get on lead.

All of your 12 rules require a reasonable standard of performance, and you've explained them, so it's pretty easy to see whether your partner can conform, or not.

I can see how a military person would judge this list as cool. And it's good -- we need people like you, in our civilization, for positive strength and integrity.

But what bothers me is that ALL your rules are performance-based. Where is the people value? Where is the personal value? Where is the fun?

So we should all recognize how "different strokes for different strokes" is a type of rule that supersedes your list. That is, every climber has his own play style, and his own leadership style.

I wouldn't hesitate to meet you on the rocks, But those rules automatically bar me (and a lot of my friends) so I'd only say "Hi!" and then wave "Bye" as you disappear up the crag.

But to focus on performance? Not for me. There's too much fun in my life is for that!

So, USnavy, here's how to fix your list:
1. Focus on values, especially the values that you get from this sport.
2. Think of ways to build those values.
3. Let your friends know how to help you get it.

There's no value to gain by judging your friends. You can weed out a lot of riff-raff, but you still can't make anybody conform to standard. Allow folks to do what they do, and figure out how to take advantage of what they offer you. And they will!

Top roping is a perfectly legitimate form of climbing, as long as you are honest about what you did and didn't do.

And let's all sit around the campfire and sing kumbaya while we pass around a joint.

You're parents must have been dirty hippies.

I can agree with that. Like I said, TR is good for training regardless if thats learning how to climb or working the moves out on a 5.13 you want to bolt.

I can agree with that. Like I said, TR is good for training regardless if thats learning how to climb or working the moves out on a 5.13 you want to bolt.

Actually, I think dan2see is a dirty hippie. Was probably 15 or 16 in 1968.

I can agree with that. Like I said, TR is good for training regardless if thats learning how to climb or working the moves out on a 5.13 you want to bolt.

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Do I require rule-based standards of behaviour, to succeed on the rocks? Sometimes.
But people-oriented expectations are just as valid, and just as important.

I can agree with that. Like I said, TR is good for training regardless if thats learning how to climb or working the moves out on a 5.13 5.15 you want to bolt.

How did you know?

Actually, in 1968, I had already completed 5 years in the Canadian Air Force. I'm much too hippy to join the Navy .

In 1968, I was riding my third motorcycle, a Triumph Bonneville 650. I was dating my wife. We rode around the small towns of Southern Ontario.
We'd dress in bell-bottom pants (not jeans) and spangles, and cruise Yorkville Village, and groove on live folk and espresso.

A couple of years later, we proceeded to adopt our boy, and then our girl, who were both accidents of college free-love. They're in their mid-thirties now. He sky-dives for fun, and she drives a train for pay.

But I don't smoke anything, and I hate that kumbaya stuff!

(Edit to add "groove" and "Air Force")

...
You, Sir, are a Badass

Badass is hereditary. You get it from your children.

But I love to climb. They got it from me.

From a sport climbers perspective...



1. Climbing is done on lead.

- Last night you asked if I wanted to go CLIMBING tomorrow. Climbing is done on lead; top rope is for training and noobs. Today you were pissing your pants three feet above a ½” bolt on a 5.8. Grow some balls and get some mileage on lead. I am tired of always belaying you on TR. STOP FOLLOWING, START LEADING. It’s one thing to be scared 15 feet above the last bolt over 5.12 moves but to be top roping 5.11 and hanging 5.8 is pitiful. Next time get your shit together and get on lead. If you need more practice I will work with you but top roping is not going to do shit for you.

2. Show up all the time, show up on time.

- Today I was sitting in my car at high noon at the crag and I got a call from you, “umm I uhha lost my cell in my umma the uhha grass so I can’t umm climb today”. YOU’RE FIRED! Show up ON TIME ALL THE TIME. You have held down a job before right? Obviously you are capable of being at an assigned place at an assigned time; it’s not that damn hard. The next time you stand me up I am deleting you from my phone and I am telling everyone at the crag how much of a shit bag you are.

3. Stop short roping me!

- You think “oh shit he is climbing a hard line I better keep him tight because he might fall”. Instead you should be thinking “he is definitely going to fall because I am pulling him off the damn wall”. There is plenty of distance between me and the ground, give me some damn slack. The next time you pull me off the wall I am throwing a quickdraw at you.

4. Keep the appropriate amount of slack in the rope all the time.

- My foot didn’t pass the last bolt but I stopped 20 feet down. How the hell did that happen…? Belaying is not done with a loop of rope coiled on the ground between me and you. Wake the hell up, apart from a 15 foot dyno there is no way in hell I would ever need that much rope instantly. Two feet of slack in the line is appropriate. It’s not hard to keep only two feet out without short roping the climber. If a bit more is needed for a dynamic move, so be it, but if the rope touches the ground YOU’RE FIRED.

5. Provide a dynamic belay when appropriate.

- The next time I take a seven foot fall and I question whether I accidently grabbed the static rope out of the closet this morning, YOU’RE FIRED. Static catches rips gear and breaks ankles. I am 50 feet off the ground I am not going to hit the ground so JUMP! I am tired to saying “hey man please remember to jump the next time I fall so I don’t swing into the wall”. Learn how to fucking belay, dynamic belays are a crucial part of lead belaying and they are not hard to perform. If you don’t know how to do it ASK!

6. Stand up and pay attention!

- How the hell are you going to provide a static, dynamic or running belay if you’re sitting on your ass day dreaming about the 5.8 you’re going to hang on next? How are you going to react to a lead fall appropriate if you’re flirting with the dude five lines down? The next time I am ten feet above the last bolt and I look down and see you playing with a Gecko on the rock, YOU’RE FIRED.

7. When you climb with me you climb with ME.

- Last night you asked if I wanted to go climbing tomorrow. Today you show up with a different partner. “Oh, sorry I figured you already had a partner”. Why the hell would I call you and ask if you want to go climbing tomorrow if I had no intention of climbing with you?! If I meant in a group, don’t you think I would have specified? Group climbing is cool but not when you’re the only one in the group without a partner because your partner blew you off for someone else... If you want to climb in a group SPECIFY so I can call someone else to bring so it’s actually a group.

8. Shut up beta master.

- If I want to hear someone spray beta about a route eight grades above their top rope limit I will go to the gym. Your useless “just dyno for it” beta is fucking with my concentration. Actually, why don’t you try this 5.13. You seem to know everything about it, I would like to see you onsight it. Just don’t cry when you find out you don’t know a thing about it. If I ask for beta, by all means. But when you see someone on a route they have wired going for the redpoint STFU!

9. Stop with the negative attitude.

- “Oh, I suck; I will never be able to lead 5.12”. Yes you do suck; no you won’t ever be able to lead 5.12. Know why? Because instead of actually working on your goal you just spray your self-remorse pitiful attitude around. It’s fucking depressing man. Actually put some real time and effort into your goal and you will get it.

10. The crag is not a petting zoo.

- I am tired of looking down to find a dog coiled up in my rope. Keep your damn pets at home if they can’t behave themselves. Your little friend is endangering my life because it’s trying to fuck my belayer’s leg. Oh and the next time I have to replace my rope because you’re dog pissed on it, I am taking yours…

11. Keep your hand on the damn rope!

- I don’t give a shit if you’re using a GriGri or not, your hand will be on the rope at all times. A GriGri can slip, it’s not unheard of. The next time I am ten feet above the last bolt and look down to find your hands on your head, YOU’RE FIRED!

12. This is not a talk show, this is climbing.

- I came here to climb, not to hear your life story. Some talking in-between climbs is cool but when I am pulling the crux I don’t want about how much you hate your job. Save that shit for the pizza parlor at the end of the day. Actually save it for someone else.

I put no climber above another, and i don;t mind some people being a little cocky. but you have to be more good then cocky, not more cocky then good, as in your case.

you are such a moron, why just because you climb at grade 5.xx is it that every one who climbs at a lower grade than you is a wuss.

This said, the only "rule" in climbing is gravity. Everything else is a guideline.

And let's all sit around the campfire and sing kumbaya while we pass around a joint.

You're parents must have been dirty hippies.

Good stuff. One can argue with the tone, as some have, but no one can argue with 1.

No one can argue with #1? That's an odd statement. #1 is the only one that is pure bullshit.

but isn't Hawaii pretty much the red-headed step child of climbing? You know, Nebraski, Ohio, Hawaii... are you so in a twist because you are stuck on what is actually a fairly small island, the paradise aspect has lost its luster, and now it’s just a hot, humid, touron packed cruise-ship you're floating on?

Now, hop on a boat and move to California.

climbing in hawaii sounds like trying to be a hard-core surfer in phoneix.


ummm.....the climbing is not very good in cali.....i heard duluth is the new power base.

... The only things I do really care about are safety, reliability and continuing motivation.

There are plenty of people who climb here but most are not very committed and just climb on a light recreational basis. ...

So in the end it’s not an issue of how skilled any of my partners are on the rock, it’s an issue of safety, reliability, and motivation. .

only about 20 climbers who could be considered "dedicated" to the sport.

when the alarm rings in the morning they say, .

Only a sport climber would try to institute a collection of rules to an expression of individual freedom.

Only a sport climber would try to institute a collection of rules to an expression of individual freedom.

Did you miss entirely the style and ethics wars of the 70s, 80s, and 90s?

Sport climbing, almost by mere definition and certainly by connotation, broke all of the rules of the ground up, bolt-on-lead, no falls, clean pro, run-it-out till you shit your pants trad etho of the previous generations.

or "Wow, my gear was really good there"

Basically, it sounds like people in Hawaii are laid-back, true to stereotype. ;-)

Good post.

those "dedicated to the sport" move to boulder. dedicated surfers move to hawaii. you're trying to shove a square peg into a round hole.

this may be one of your problems:

True enough and yet it is a sport climber who has posted "The laws of climbing"

climbing in hawaii sounds like trying to be a hard-core surfer in phoneix.


ummm.....the climbing is not very good in cali.....i heard duluth is the new power base.

hey the climbing is getting better and better here, and when its not -40* with three feet of snow there is some world class climbing.

In the military one cannot say, “I want to move to 36.349421,-115.169678”. You submit four general requests and the Navy will try to match you up to something similar to one of them. For me I was given the choice to move to Hawaii. It was basically move to Hawaii or go to some boring base in Florida.

You made the right call. That there Harwhya is a nice place.

I've spent quite a bit of time there on business. I decided a long time ago that the islands were 'too small' for me and I'd go bloody mad living there.

But I also decided if I did live there? I would try to touch every summit on every island...

I think the peak bagging ops there are quite unique...

The sport climbing? Same ole 100 routes year in, year out?

Blech!

But a man's gotta do what a man's gotta do.

DMT

Didn't mean to prick your last nerve there gymbo.

HAWAII!!!??? Sloooooly I turned....

STEP BY STEP!!!1111

I got to spend weeks of my work time in Hawaii, primarily Oahu and Big Island but also spent a tiny bit on Molekai and Maui.

I even did work at Malama Market in Haleiwa and took my burgers at Kua Aina, the BEST BURGERS in Hawaii, across the street. USNavy knows the spot.

I mean if you're going to do some work in a grocery store there are worse ones than the Malama Market that serves the North Shore and Sunset beach hehe.

And I say if you are going to LIVE in Hawaii, you would not want to do so in the hoods surrounding ANY military installation hehe.

Hawaii Kai. Maybe over by the Marine base on the other side. Or how about one of those little houses up on the bluff over Haleiwa?

But if I had to, and got to choose, it would have to be Big Island I reckon....

DMT

...In the military one cannot say, “I want to move to 36.349421,-115.169678”. You submit four general requests and the Navy will try to match you up to something similar to one of them. For me I was given the choice to move to Hawaii. It was basically move to Hawaii or go to some boring base in Florida.

Oahu's north shore is one of the best places in the world to live if you surf and climb, in my limited experience, i love it here. Last weekend i got to surf double overhead glass in the morning then climb in the afternoon.

I may be the guy shaking over the first bolt, well see:)

I just showed Matt how to lead. I will go over lead belaying with him the next time

I don't understand why it is ok for you to be scared on a 5.12, but it is shameful for someone new to leading to be scared on a 5.8. Get over yourself.

Also almost took a fat whipper mantling up at the top too.

I finished that climb in the rain. Totally crushed that final ledge beached whale style.

LOL, so true. Modern Times is scarier than most 10's at NRG. I seem to recall that the Williams book lists it as an 8+. Whatever the rating, I definitely hangdogged it. Also almost took a fat whipper mantling up at the top too.

It was always "shit, bad situation here!" "If this piece blows, the whole team is talus food!" "This climb is terrible!"

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US Navy, I remind you that our standards are higher than that of civilians and still apply when our uniforms are off.

If you are a Chief, you need to remember that our job is to lead, teach and motivate. This can involve counselling, quiet explanation, a solid dressing down, or a well directed kick in the ass. It should be done in person and when the unacceptable behavior occurs.Typing up a list for an anonymous website is not leadership but the kind of bitching I would expect from a non-rate or an Ensign right out of OCS.

If you are not a Chief, go find a REAL Chief for advice on how to deal with your partners. He/she might not undestand climbing but he/she will understand people.

Either way, you need to be careful about misrepresenting the Navy, especially in a civilian forum with people who know nothing of the Navy other than what they have seen on JAG and NCIS.


-Pete
-A Chief Petty Officer

US Navy, I remind you that our standards are higher than that of civilians and still apply when our uniforms are off.

If you are a Chief, you need to remember that our job is to lead, teach and motivate. This can involve counselling, quiet explanation, a solid dressing down, or a well directed kick in the ass. It should be done in person and when the unacceptable behavior occurs. Typing up a list for an anonymous website is not leadership but the kind of bitching I would expect from a non-rate or an Ensign right out of OCS.

If you are not a Chief, go find a REAL Chief for advice on how to deal with your partners. He/she might not undestand climbing but he/she will understand people.

Either way, you need to be careful about misrepresenting the Navy, especially in a civilian forum with people who know nothing of the Navy other than what they have seen on JAG and NCIS.


-Pete
-A Chief Petty Officer

Worth 5 stars for entertainment value.

Plus 1 star for the hypocrisy of "dressing down" on a "civilian forum" six weeks after the fact.

Jay