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Yep, I have from Dec. 20th to Jan. 6th off. I want to do some climbing at a sunny south facing crag. Guess what crag fits that description? You got it.
I also would like to spend 3-4 days climbing there. Who's up for it?
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is there a hotel nearby thats free???
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I won't camp, but I will make one or two day trips up there! I've never been there before, so you will have to guide me. If you're camping, send me info on where you will be and how to find you.
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Anne, there's the free "Tradpuppy Nature Hotel and Basecamp"!
Furry, I'll let you know more soon.
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I'd like to go if I can get a weekend pass from my girlfriend.
Ed
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tradpuppy
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We could have a mini gathering! Maybe some of the folks from the Southeast gathering will be interested...
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tradpuppy
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Paul, if they only knew the "laugh" behind that statement. OK, if you don't come, I swear I'll fill in the crack on Rock Wars with silly putty.
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tradpuppy
Dec 9, 2002, 3:27 PM
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Crazy Kentuckian!
Don't you bail!
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quote:
OK, if you don't come, I swear I'll fill in the crack on Rock Wars with silly putty.
Hey now, don't punish the rest of us just because mr overhung has a problem with bailing!!!
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climbinganne
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HA!!!!
bail isn't the word for it
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Sounds like a plan to me.
Your palace and 6 sleeping bags await you Annie.
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hmmmm...tempting...very tempting
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Wow, JayBee, haven't heard from you in a while! Wanna come down and join us? I need to return the hospitality you and Jill showed me and Sportloser at the Red last time.
I really am serious about spending a few days up there. I'd love to see a good group at the T-Wall over Christmas. I know Mike is dying to get up there. Looks like a maybe from Overhung. And Anne WANTS to come, I know...
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pinnaclechick
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Dang it people, I won't be back in town until Dec 27th. Wait... you all KNEW that, didn't you??!!
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climbinganne
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i prolly wouldnt be down there til then anyhow becca!!!!
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tradpuppy
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Actually ya'll, I was thinking more along the lines of sometime between 12/27 and 1-6 anyway. That way, it won't be such a mad rush to get up there right after Thanksgiving dinner like the S.E. Gathering.
Plus, I promised mom I'd spend a couple of days before Christmas with them to make up for my skipping out at Thanksgiving.
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pinnaclechick
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Ok.. let me ponder it..
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tradpuppy
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O-hung, I was just kidding about the bailing thing.
I wish I could do the Nelson Rocks trip, but our *spring* break is March 1st-9th.
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i will be trapped at work on that week after christmas.
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Tradpuppy: I will be up for it..I am out of school at that time.... I am always looking for someone to climb with at T-wall.
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tradpuppy
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Great! Come on down!
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I can absolutely make this one! It's been at least a month and a half since i've hiked the hill to T-Wall, and Goldenlocks is calling me. I have a week off after Christmas.
I promised my parents that I would see them sometime durring that week but if any stragglers are hanging around, I'm up for showing them around. Hell, I'll probably make a couple of trips down if the dates dont get any more set. I'll keep checking back.
Travis
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Space Monkey,
Didin't we try to climb together awhile back? Your profile looks familiar, I remember PMing about flying. Try to make this trip buddy.
Travis
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tenn_dawg yes we did, we were going to climb the rcetrack when you got back in town. I will deff be there.
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Dry the tears Lynne, Jeff says you get the grand tour as soon as you can get down here.
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tradpuppy
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Girl, you are breaking my heart!
If you get a chance, just come down and hang out with us and enjoy our wonderful company.
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Sorry overhung, couldn't resist.
Oh, and Jeff (Twall Tom, tradpuppy, whatever), I'd love to come down and climb in the land of orange corners that is T-Wall, but the wife and I will be road tripping west, not south during that time!!
Hey, had a great time showing you some of the Red's finest cracks while letting sportlooser climb those overhaning pockets that folks round here seem to dig.
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Dec 11, 2002, 9:33 PM
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Any room for me?
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tradpuppy
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Jaybee (former Hitler in a Railroad Hat, JB, etc.) Twall Tom had to die, unfortunately. Twall Tammy wanted a divorce, so he couldn't live with himself anymore, or anyone else for that matter, so we put that mad cow out to pasture. I hope to be making a return trip to the Red sometime this winter. Sportloser? Well, he'll just boulder and boulder and boulder some more.
Biggah, I'm not sure if there's room for you because I think the T-wall is:
SMALLERNHELL!!!! Mwaaaa haa haa.
Really, I think we could possibly accomodate you.
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climbinganne
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hmmmmm...is this what you meant jeff???
pressure, pressure, pressure...naw...now if mikie, michael, derek and simon say they were coming...THAT'S PRESSURE!!!!!
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tradpuppy
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Uh huh.
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Hmmm? I think that we could arrange something. Most of those guys (with the exception of Mikey) have never even been to the trad crack paradise that is T-Wall. I'm sure that they'll be itching to go.
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climbinganne
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orangekyak and i will be arriving at 4pm on thursday, dec. 26th...til sunday night dec. 29th...we will need directions and any other info PMed to us (me) thanks all!!!!
ps... the kids will not be joining me this trip...
we both look forward to seeing you all!!!
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tradpuppy
Dec 17, 2002, 5:00 PM
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OK, all you T-Wallians, here's some T-Wall directions:
From the north: Take I-75 south until it turns into I-24 near Chattanooga. You will see where 75 veers off left down into Ga. Go another 5 miles or so on I-24 until you see the signs on the right for "27 North, Downtown Chattanooga" on the RIGHT side of the interstate. Take the exit for 27 north, following it past downtown. Cross the Tennessee River over the Olgiati bridge (under construction, be careful) and go another mile or so, going up and then back down a hill. On the descending side of the hill, look out for "highway 127/Signal Mountain Rd" on the RIGHT. Take a RIGHT onto the 127 exit and follow it to the bottom of the hill. Take another RIGHT and go on through 2 or 3 traffic lights, past a Burger King and a Bi-Lo Shopping Center. Drive on toward the base of the mountain, and after about 3/5 mile past the Bi-Lo, you'll see a sign on the LEFT for "127 west/ Suck Creek Rd." Turn LEFT onto Suck Creek Rd. and follow it about 4 miles until you reach a small concrete bridge. IMMEDIATELY after the bridge, on the LEFT, will be River Canyon Rd. Turn LEFT onto River Canyon Rd. and prepare yourself for the winding white trash tour. BTW, this rd. winds along right next to the Tennessee River for the most part. You will go approx. 6.3 miles on River Canyon Rd. Drive slow, there's about 1,000,000 blind curves and the road is quite narrow. After 6.3 miles, you'll see a large parking lot/pulloff on the LEFT and most likely there will be cars parked there. All the camping is on the left side of the road.
Remember, this large parking lot on the left will be the only pulloff of its size, so it will be hard to miss. The trail to the cliff is just before the parking lot on the right, btw.
I'm going to try and get up there on the 26th myself.
If you are approaching from the south, the directions are the same except you'll veer left onto I-24 west toward Nashville off I-75 north.
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I would love to come out and give some of this stuff a try, but only if you guys wouldn't mind showing a real noob the ropes. I've never worked a roped route outside, but I have done a lot of bouldering. If you'll teach me, I'd love to come learn.
stephen tyndall
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climbinganne
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another virgin!!!!!!
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Just finished talking to Climbinganne - and the old problem I have of not being able to say no to a female came up again - looks like I will be joinging you guys at T-wall!! Party time boys and girls!
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pinnaclechick
Dec 17, 2002, 10:15 PM
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Hey guess what? A little 200lb birdie told me I may be climbing with ALL Y'ALL on the 28th.
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climbinganne
Dec 17, 2002, 10:18 PM
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$#!&...i better get learning!!!!
so becca...you not coming????
DOH...i reread your post WooooooooT!!!!!!!
ps///i only had to twist kevin's arm half way...didnt even have to whip him....he was cake...
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pinnaclechick
Dec 18, 2002, 12:53 PM
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Yes, I think we're going up on the 28th.. I will be getting home from VA on the 27th. Whew, busy next week!!!
I'm sorry Kevin wasn't more of a challenge. I know you wanted an excuse to use the whip.
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Dec 18, 2002, 1:18 PM
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I was planning on hitting Twall in the spring (never been there before).
If I drove down after Xmas, do ya think you nice people might be able to show me around?
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tradpuppy
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Even though this isn't an official gathering, here's a list of the people who have indicated they want to come:
overhung
ANNE!!!!
orangekyak
deafclimber
traddaddy
pinnaclechick
biggernhell
mike
styndall
hoppinbig
space_monkey
tenn_dawg
furryfrisbee
sketchypro
tommyf
lil old me
As I've already told Anne, the T-Wall camping area is also a good central point to access all the other crags in the area, and I'll put together some directions to give out to whoever wants them.
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Dec 18, 2002, 2:29 PM
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i ll be there with becca on 28th only.
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doh...
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Dec 18, 2002, 2:38 PM
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yea jeff needs extra tall koffee !
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OOH! OOH! I'll bring the 1/2 & 1/2!!
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What part of the wall is everyone going to be at first?
the 26th is the first day correct?
Another question: Is the wall going to be open? it was closed this past weekend due to a hunt.
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i'll take mine black please ... oh wrong thread sorry.
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You can whip me Anne - Becca too - everyone's tells me I've been naughty this year
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There are no more hunting closures until spring.
We'll probably start out going right at the top of the trail to begin with (Nappy, Plastic Toys, etc.).
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hmm i have extra orange vests for everyone so we can be rock hunters.
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Dec 18, 2002, 3:13 PM
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I think Anne already has one.
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ah yes
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My god, I didn't know she was a tree-hugging belayer!
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I think after they hear Eric sleeping, we're more likely to attract bear hunters..
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*snoring loudly*
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Yup, when I emerge from the tent with bags under my eyes, you'll know why..
Heh heh..
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i guess i ll join the bears so we can share the noises somewhere under rocks.
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Don't go!
(need my bearskin rug for warmth)
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hahahahaha....don't tease me for being safety conscous!!!!!
and as i recall glen won the snoring award!!!!hahahahahaha!!!!
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wrong thread
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If it were not for the blistering 70 degree weather that I've been putting up with here in Mexico, I would have joined ya'll.
I was at T-wall for Thanks Giving Day and it was fantastic.
This is breakfast time at T-wall:
http://www.aristasol.com/phpix/view.php?album=Album1%2F2002%2Fdec022002-1&pic=p1010001.jpg&dispsize=512&start=0&picindex=0
Have a good trip.
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I like the pics of Finagle. However, I find the "sun" graffiti disturbing. I noticed there are some Sandrock pics. If it's Sandrock, well, unfortunately the locals are the ones doing it. But PLEASE don't leave graffiti at T-Wall!
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hmmmmm....was going to comment on said "art work" and thought...go to other thread...stay out of other thread...
7 days and counting!!!!!!!!!
SO!!! looks like this is shaping up to be a really fun time...we got peeps coming from all over!!!!
so dont forget to pack your local brew and any other delicacy from your area...hehe...
p.s. jeff do we need to bring scrub brushes???
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Yeah, I get quite dirty at times and I'll need someone to scrub my back. Brushes seem to do the trick.
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hehe..will i have to shave it first ??
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EEEEEWWWWW!
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The weather doesn't look too bad either...if you could EVER believe the weatherman!
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daddy...how long of a trip is it for you??
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I think it takes about 6 hours to get to chattavegas.
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pitifulsmeagol
Dec 19, 2002, 2:32 PM
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i will come as well... as long as no one minds... smeagol likes tradpuppy... kind tradpuppy.
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tradpuppy
Dec 19, 2002, 3:25 PM
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whimper, whimper. Tradpuppy want Scooby snacks!!
At this point, the more the merrier, pitiful one!
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tradpuppy
Dec 19, 2002, 3:36 PM
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Pitiful, are you in any way related to Mr. Overhung?
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pitifulsmeagol
Dec 19, 2002, 8:52 PM
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Man if you aren't insightful... I just saw LOTR: The Two Towers and I can't come back from middle earth just yet.
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jrvela
Dec 19, 2002, 9:08 PM
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I just want to clarify that the link that I posted earlier with pictures of twall also included some pictures of Sandrock and HP40. The grafitti is quite evident at Sendrock.
This was my first trip to Alabama and I felt quite sorry for the aspect of the rock at Sandrock. The grafitti that defaces this crag. I took the pictures in an effort to document the situation. I do not support grafitti in any form.
I had heard about the grafitti, but I was not expecting it to be this bad. I hope the local climbing groups do make some headway in creating ethics among the different users (not just climbers) of the crags to stop the proliferation of the grafitti.
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traddaddy
Dec 20, 2002, 3:37 PM
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So is anyone camping at T Wall, or are you all staying in other places?
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climbinganne
Dec 20, 2002, 3:42 PM
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we are there...the one's coming with me in the caravan!!!!
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andy_lemon
Dec 20, 2002, 4:06 PM
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Hey Trad, if we do go.. do you mind if Anne sleeps in our tent?
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traddaddy
Dec 20, 2002, 4:38 PM
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Andy's using the brain that he sits on again!
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climbinganne
Dec 20, 2002, 4:51 PM
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ROCK!!!!!!
no effin way, andy_lemon!!!!!!
WOW can i call BOTH of you daddy???
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orangekyak
Dec 20, 2002, 5:23 PM
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If I knew it was gonna be dat kinda party ...
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climbinganne
Dec 20, 2002, 6:20 PM
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...then what
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traddaddy
Dec 20, 2002, 6:49 PM
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Btw Andy,
MY tent is not OUR tent, I'm not sure where you're sleeping.
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biggernhell
Dec 20, 2002, 8:08 PM
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We can always have Mike bring us Queen Annie's palace.
Now THAT was a tent.
Are we getting any Yunglings for Christmas Annie?
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climbinganne
Dec 20, 2002, 8:28 PM
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i think it depends on what santa says...
were you a naughty boy this year jon???
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hoppinbig
Dec 20, 2002, 8:39 PM
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sorry guys but I think once Anne see's my setup she will be in my tent - i have a queen size airmattress to sleep on - sorry boys but size DOES matter! See you all in a week!!
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climbinganne
Dec 20, 2002, 8:43 PM
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a QUEEN sized mattress huh????
soundsperfect for me!!!
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hoppinbig
Dec 20, 2002, 8:43 PM
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Like I said guys - sorry
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sportster
Dec 21, 2002, 1:31 AM
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Hey guys I live in chattanooga i go to school here so if you want let me know when you are coming down here and I can join you.
ED
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climbinganne
Dec 21, 2002, 2:14 AM
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DOH...do you really want a friggin chick with a half assed southern accent telling you, to read...
*clears throat*
hey, we will be there hopefully before dark on the 26th of dec.......
gentleman, are your engines ready...
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furryfrisbee
Dec 21, 2002, 2:39 AM
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Hmmmmmmmmm, that sounds familiar
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climbinganne
Dec 21, 2002, 3:03 AM
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rodney, sharie sounds like that too???
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andy_lemon
Dec 21, 2002, 6:24 PM
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If I go... I'm sleeping in my new 4 season tent, gonna be chilly.
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climbinganne
Dec 21, 2002, 7:47 PM
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poor andy...no one wants the sleep with you
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andy_lemon
Dec 22, 2002, 6:55 AM
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That's fine... they would have to deal with my ultra fluffy down filled sleeping bag and my weiner dog. He is my climbing partner!
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climbinganne
Dec 22, 2002, 1:40 PM
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do i get to sleep with your weinner???
if yes.....PM me!!!
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traddaddy
Dec 22, 2002, 2:32 PM
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Evidently, THE MAN has deemed it necessary to have me work a few days after xmas.
Looks like I'm gonna have to settle for a day trip to the Red!
I hope to meet you guys some other time!
Climb safe!
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climbinganne
Dec 22, 2002, 2:48 PM
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you SUCK!!!!!
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traddaddy
Dec 22, 2002, 6:41 PM
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not as well as you, my dear!
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orangekyak
Dec 22, 2002, 7:24 PM
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t-daddy, that sucks dood. i was lookin forward to meetin ya. have fun at the red, though.
-o.k.
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tradpuppy
Dec 23, 2002, 10:52 PM
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What?? No T-DADDY??!!
Well this thread has grown a little since my last check in.
Anyway, don't forget the directions are on pg. 3 of this thread. I plan to be up there sometime Thu. afternoon. Look for a red Tacoma truck w/ white camper top.
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climbinganne
Dec 23, 2002, 11:05 PM
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i haven't even started to pack yet...
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pinnaclechick
Dec 24, 2002, 1:34 AM
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^ Oh boy, here we go again....
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bigwallgumbie
Dec 24, 2002, 1:49 AM
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Mad cow falls off cliff and is shot by hunters in the Prentice Cooper Wilderness area. Officials describe the scene as "iriey". Details at 11
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tradpuppy
Dec 24, 2002, 1:58 AM
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From wrcb news:
More details on the mad cow incident have surfaced. He was actually flattened by a very, very large boulder dislodged by the extremely irie evil twin of bigwallgumbie, known in aid climbing circles as bigwallscumbie. Apparently, bigwallscumbie decided to loosen a piece of cliff from the top after his deadpoint ascent of Stone Wave. More details at 11:01.
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hoppinbig
Dec 25, 2002, 7:53 PM
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Hey guys - looking forward to meeting all of you tomorrow! I am expecting to arrive tomorrow around 5ish - just look for the dark blue jetta and come and say hi to a friendly canadian (I will be thawing out!).
Merry Christmas
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climbinganne
Dec 25, 2002, 8:30 PM
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are you on your way to my house????
what the hell time did he leave this post....
it is snowing like a mo fo here..i didnt even drive 30 minutes to my brother's house for free food...
electricity went out...i napped
welp kevin, i guess from looking at the times and subtracting for EST, adding in extra time for the weather...i will expect you here around midnight...
grrrrrrr....i bet the keg is frozen
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[ This Message was edited by: climbinganne on 2002-12-25 12:37 ]
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climbchick
Dec 25, 2002, 8:45 PM
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Is anyone going to be there Sat/Sun??
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climbinganne
Dec 25, 2002, 9:24 PM
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YVETTE!!!!!!!! yes!~!~!
and it is going to be 40 degrees here tomorrow!!!
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mike
Dec 25, 2002, 10:00 PM
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I'll get there some time Friday morning, I may go by Rockcreek Outfitters first, my big toe is sticking out of my climbing shoes. Staying through Sunday if I don't get too cold Friday night.
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climbchick
Dec 25, 2002, 10:03 PM
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It's going to be a bit chilly at night (to put it mildly). Is anyone camping?
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climbinganne
Dec 25, 2002, 10:12 PM
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yup
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mike
Dec 25, 2002, 10:42 PM
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Yup
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climbinganne
Dec 25, 2002, 11:01 PM
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a little birdy told me smithclimber was gonna join us for a day...damn climbchick too..this is a gathering now folks...i vote tradpuppy as official host of this event
anyone second???
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mike
Dec 25, 2002, 11:12 PM
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I second Tradpuppy as Official Host. Of course this means he won't get to climb as much, but I'm sure he won't mind. I may be a little late on Friday, so make sure he stays in camp to show me where to put my tent.
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climbinganne
Dec 25, 2002, 11:25 PM
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no problem mike..i am sure he wont care...i bet he'll even cook for us all and get up extra early to make sure hot coffee is a brewin for everyone...
he's sweet that way you know!!!!!
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climbchick
Dec 25, 2002, 11:43 PM
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I third tradpuppy if he's going to make coffee (even though I haven't absolutely decided to go)!
Just so y'all know . . if I decide to go, I will leave here early Fri a.m. and get there between 12 and 1pm local time. I'll go look for everyone around the base. I'll have to head back Sunday morning.
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climbinganne
Dec 26, 2002, 12:23 AM
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sweet yvette ill keep my eyes open for you you keep your ears open for me
look at the day temps!!!!!!!!
almost 60 degrees on sunday!!!!!
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mike
Dec 26, 2002, 12:37 AM
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I know it's a hard decision, Yvette, I mean you are in Memphis, which is like Yosemite or something.
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climbinganne
Dec 26, 2002, 12:40 AM
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no doubt..considering i am in a caravan with a canadian and a beaner...
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tradpuppy
Dec 26, 2002, 5:41 PM
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official WHAT??!!
Hey, anybody who's around, I just drove from Athens and I don't feel like going up there tonight. So, if you see or hear from anybody, tell 'em I'll be there early Fri. morning.
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jen_c
Dec 26, 2002, 8:44 PM
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Where area are you all planning on climbing in up there on Sun? I have my fingers crossed that Shannon & I might be able to make it up for the day - depends on when my XMas company leaves Sun morning.
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mike
Dec 27, 2002, 3:41 AM
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Jen, look on page 3 for Jeff's directions. I will leave a note on a red Mustang in the parking lot on Sunday
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orangekyak
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anyone else home from this mess yet? i'm ready to rehash fresh stories and hear about the climbing on sunday.
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