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jamesnater
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Anyone ever run into any potentially dangerous animals while hiking or climbing?
While out camping, I've faced a Cougar that ran away after opening and closing my Jacket like a bird flapping it's wings and literally screaming profanities until it flee'd. Wasn't sure if it got scared, or just really offended haha. Needless to say, I was shitting bricks while doing the bird flapping thing (I really thought it was gonna attack me) it's just how I reacted to the situation.
Anyone else got any stories?
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I once found a momma raccoon with her babies on a ledge. She was quite persuasive in convincing me to GTFO.
There was also the asshole's dog that bit me at another crag... Except "that can't happen because she doesn't bite" despite the tear in my pack and slobber on my ass that would indicate otherwise.
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Put my hand in a bees nest while on lead. Got stung 25 times while I finished the climb.
Put my hand on a rat snake on a ledge...she was sunning herself and was content to let me pass without reacting.
Ugly ugly stinging centipedes in Mexico...I climb very far off route to avoid them.
Routinely (a few times a season) step over copperheads on the trails up at the gunks.
I don't think any of these compare to a cougar encounter.
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There are pics here somewhere of a dude fending a mountain lion (or some other big cat) with a poop stick.
Seriously.
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Backpacking:
bear (black and grizz)
bison
moose (in rut)
wolf
Climbing:
bat
wasps
porcupine (at the base)
chipmunk (viscous)
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Camping
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Climbing
- friend that hadn't eaten in several hours
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jamesnater wrote: Anyone ever run into any potentially dangerous animals while hiking or climbing?
Several rattlesnakes, mostly on the trail leading to the walls.
I can't remember the name of the guy that got attacked by the mountain lion... anyone?!?
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Numerous rattlesnakes, and my g/f was bitten by a bat while climbing.
In reply to: chipmunk (viscous)
Yuck. That really sounds gross.
Jay
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Nearly handjammed on a scorpion in a moist Yosemite Crack.
Another sport climb, I was at the anchor about to drop the rope through the open shuts, and notice the rock was moving. juvenile rattlesnake just on the face of the rock, winding around the shuts.
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jt512 wrote: In reply to: chipmunk (viscous) Yuck. That really sounds gross. Jay
It must have been a very hot day.
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As I discovered last weekend in the Organ Mountains - Nothing, I repeat, NOTHING, is more scary and dangerous than a snow covered agave plant. Imagine a bouquet of giant, needle-tipped syringes covered in fishhooks.
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Rattlesnakes, water mocain, hornets nest, bees, bats, tourons, and boy scouts.
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jt512 wrote: Numerous rattlesnakes, and my g/f was bitten by a bat while climbing. In reply to: chipmunk (viscous) Yuck. That really sounds gross. Jay
It was. Dang thing must have died a few days before.
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sp115 wrote: As I discovered last weekend in the Organ Mountains - Nothing, I repeat, NOTHING, is more scary and dangerous than a snow covered agave plant. Imagine a bouquet of giant, needle-tipped syringes covered in fishhooks.
Sat on it did you?
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jt512 wrote: Numerous rattlesnakes, and my g/f was bitten by a bat while climbing. In reply to: chipmunk (viscous) Yuck. That really sounds gross. Jay
hey i was bitten by a bat too!!! put my hand into a crack at the top of a climb and the damn thing got me when it flew out.
as for other animals, i get bears, cougars, coyotes, and lots of other wildlife through the yard. actually had a bear in the garage....left the garage open to get the lawnmower out and the bear wandered in.........at 300 in the afternoon!!!
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macherry wrote: jt512 wrote: Numerous rattlesnakes, and my g/f was bitten by a bat while climbing. In reply to: chipmunk (viscous) Yuck. That really sounds gross. Jay hey i was bitten by a bat too!!! put my hand into a crack at the top of a climb and the damn thing got me when it flew out. as for other animals, i get bears, cougars, coyotes, and lots of other wildlife through the yard. actually had a bear in the garage....left the garage open to get the lawnmower out and the bear wandered in.........at 300 in the afternoon!!!
Where in WA do YOU live?! The most we've gotten was a couple deer in our yards. And I live in Granite Falls... kinda BFE.
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Gmburns2000 wrote: There are pics here somewhere of a dude fending a mountain lion (or some other big cat) with a poop stick.
That was suprasup / suprasoup or something. He also had a chipmunk jump on his face while on the sharp end.
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I nearly stepped on a rattlesnake on the approach to Washington Column. I also had to stand down a bull elk for the rights to the trail on the approach to the Blue Glacier in Olympic NP.
Oh, I also got out of the woods to chase an animal that was rifling through my stuff in North Carolina. I chased it about 100 feet before it suddenly stopped. Right then I finally managed to land my flashlight on it and saw a skunk with its tail up and ready to fire. Thankfully, he let me walk away slowly and didn't spray me.
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wonderwoman wrote: Gmburns2000 wrote: There are pics here somewhere of a dude fending a mountain lion (or some other big cat) with a poop stick. That was suprasup / suprasoup or something. He also had a chipmunk jump on his face while on the sharp end.
Yeah, wish I could find that thread.
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macherry wrote: jt512 wrote: Numerous rattlesnakes, and my g/f was bitten by a bat while climbing. In reply to: chipmunk (viscous) Yuck. That really sounds gross. Jay hey i was bitten by a bat too!!! put my hand into a crack at the top of a climb and the damn thing got me when it flew out.
Did you undergo the whole rabies series?
Jay
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ive had a group of several coyotes come up to me while camping at hunters bluff. you just make loud dumbass noisies and they scatter. but the 12 gauge also really deters them from fuckin with us. and the occasional crackhead from town trying to figure out how "those clippy things" (referring to a cam) works.
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I once encountered a swarm of Giardia lamblia. Those things scared the crap out of me for days.
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I cant believe that no one made the obvious cougar joke yet…
I am severely disappointed!
As for me: No cougars at the crags here…
The benefits of central europe - no dangerous animals apart from ticks. Those stupid fuckers 
And of course wasps and bees, but so far my climbing encounters with them ended without problems.
qwert
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wonderwoman wrote: Gmburns2000 wrote: There are pics here somewhere of a dude fending a mountain lion (or some other big cat) with a poop stick. That was suprasup / suprasoup or something. He also had a chipmunk jump on his face while on the sharp end.
That's him. I could picture his avatar in my mind but couldn't remember his username.
The fact that he had pics to prove it are impressive, too.
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chadnsc wrote: sp115 wrote: As I discovered last weekend in the Organ Mountains - Nothing, I repeat, NOTHING, is more scary and dangerous than a snow covered agave plant. Imagine a bouquet of giant, needle-tipped syringes covered in fishhooks. Sat on it did you?
Almost face-planted in it. Managed to get off with a stuck palm and cut on a finger tip that bled for an hour. Got so freaked by the idea that there could be a hundred of these fuckers and I couldn't see one of them, I turned around and humped it back to the car. Woefully underestimated the Organ Mountains once again.
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acorneau wrote: wonderwoman wrote: Gmburns2000 wrote: There are pics here somewhere of a dude fending a mountain lion (or some other big cat) with a poop stick. That was suprasup / suprasoup or something. He also had a chipmunk jump on his face while on the sharp end. Yeah, wish I could find that thread.
http://www.rockclimbing.com/..._reply;so=ASC;mh=25;
Post #39 is chipmunk, post #101 is cougar with pics...
edit to add - if you ever come across a cougar and you need to something to "fight it off with", I recommend an agave plant.
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Wasps.
Discovering that a nest of young copperheads was underneath a flake I had used as an undercling.
Fighting dogs at base.
Incompetent belayers.
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Excellent thread. Thanks for finding it.
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sp115 wrote: As I discovered last weekend in the Organ Mountains - Nothing, I repeat, NOTHING, is more scary and dangerous than a snow covered agave plant. Imagine a bouquet of giant, needle-tipped syringes covered in fishhooks.
I don't think you'd like the Potrero Chico--our walls are covered with these.
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acorneau - totally worth the hunt.
potreroed - the walls are also covered by 5.12's, no threat of me getting stuck by anything.
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I had a bear keep tearing through my camp at Tensleep this summer. Running through, staring at us while we ate dinner. I think that the poor guy got put down a few weeks after my trip.
I've also had a few experiences with rattlesnakes. Was climbing a 5.8 handcrack in Red Rocks, and came across a big guy wedged in the crack about 30 feet up. Placed a cam and stemmed past it.
Also had baby rattlesnakes fall on me twice; once at Shelf Road, and once while I was rapping off TimeWaveZero in Potrero.
I also was nearly accosted by a cougar at the very first SLC rc.com meetup in 2002. She tried to lure me to her tent, but I got scared and bailed to Maple Canyon.
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Came within inches of stepping on a copperhead in the Gunks.
Scared away a black bear in Yosemite.
Numerous hornets and wasps. (never been stung while climbing)
Ticks and Chiggers (more annoying than dangerous, although ticks can carry lyme)
Stumbled upon a very angry looking collection of black vultures.
A falcon made it very clear that she did not want me there. I sped up the rappel.
Oh yeah, and all the "imaginary" sharks and snakes in Thailand. Word of advice to anyone going to Thailand or any other location that might have more exotic animals: Don't let your wife read up on it or she will be seeing sharks and snakes EVERYWHERE. 
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I had a group of mountain Goats surround my wife and I while climbing in leavenworth WA last summer. Here is a picture, this is one of probably eight that wouldn't leave us alone. http://www.facebook.com/...p;type=3&theater I didn't think they were dangerous but my wife would disagree!
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In reply to: Another sport climb, I was at the anchor about to drop the rope through the open shuts, and notice the rock was moving. juvenile rattlesnake just on the face of the rock, winding around the shuts.
That would freak me the f&#k out. I believe my day would be over right then and there.
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Just the standard for me. A rattlesnake or two on approach. A black snake on a ledge. Climbed through a bunch of wasps on two different occasions. Once they got pissed and started stinging, the other time they let me alone.
Edit to add: Oh. And i scored lyme disease from a stupid tick while bouldering last summer. I guess that counts too.
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While doing an easy solo at Castle Rock near San Jose I had a bunch of pigeons that flew out of a big pod and just about caused me to pitch off and take what would ahve been a very bad groundfall.
Grizzly charging me near Valdez was um, intense. To my own surprise I stood my ground and did everything right. Bear veered away at the last second.
Marauding black bears in Canada trashed our fishing camp once. Hang food bags waaayyy farther than you *think* they can reach.
Had to chase a crazy lynx off an island once with an axe. Two nights in a row of it stalking our camp was getting tiresome.
Most dangerous encounter was an oinery old bison in Yellowstone. We yielded the trail to him with plenty of room to spare (like 100 feet) but he decided to charge after us anyways. God himself put that lone big old tree there for that very time and day, otherwise I don't think the outcome would have been good.
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camhead wrote: Dip wrote: And i scored lyme disease from a stupid tick while bouldering last summer. I guess that counts too. Yeah, you really need to watch out for ticks while bouldering. Those things are everywhere! [image]http://www.rockclimbing.com/images/photos/assets/6/55786-largest_67187.jpg[/image]
I knew that was comin... Yet oddly enough i didn't care enough to edit it. Lyme disease from a TIC, not a tick.
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Dip wrote: camhead wrote: Dip wrote: And i scored lyme disease from a stupid tick while bouldering last summer. I guess that counts too. Yeah, you really need to watch out for ticks while bouldering. Those things are everywhere! [image]http://www.rockclimbing.com/images/photos/assets/6/55786-largest_67187.jpg[/image] I knew that was comin... Yet oddly enough i didn't care enough to edit it. Lyme disease from a TIC, not a tick.
Umm, if you have TICs, you probably have Tourette's Syndrome.
If you got Lyme disease, you probably got it from TICKs.
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lena_chita wrote: Dip wrote: camhead wrote: Dip wrote: And i scored lyme disease from a stupid tick while bouldering last summer. I guess that counts too. Yeah, you really need to watch out for ticks while bouldering. Those things are everywhere! [image]http://www.rockclimbing.com/images/photos/assets/6/55786-largest_67187.jpg[/image] I knew that was comin... Yet oddly enough i didn't care enough to edit it. Lyme disease from a TIC, not a tick. Umm, if you have TICs, you probably have Tourette's Syndrome. If you got Lyme disease, you probably got it from TICKs.
I give up. Clearly there is not enough coffee in the world for me to make any sense whatsoever today. So in summary, i got lyme disease from a small parasite with eight legs whose name i apparently have no idea how to spell. The end.
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bill413 wrote: Wasps. Discovering that a nest of young copperheads was underneath a flake I had used as an undercling. Fighting dogs at base. Incompetent belayers.
Oh yeah... I forgot about the the aggressive pit bull at Potrero Chico. That thing was scary!
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Ticks, everywhere, at home, at work, hiking and climbing. Touch wood, no Lyme yet. Three copperheads while climbing, one of which seemed to be trying to mate with my rope! The most scared I've been was when we saw a Lynx. Maybe it wasn't dangerous, but all I knew at the time was that it sure wasn't a bobcat.
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sp115 wrote: acorneau - totally worth the hunt. potreroed - the walls are also covered by 5.12's, no threat of me getting stuck by anything.
We also have hundreds of excellent 10 and under pitches to climb.
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Dip wrote: lena_chita wrote: Dip wrote: camhead wrote: Dip wrote: And i scored lyme disease from a stupid tick while bouldering last summer. I guess that counts too. Yeah, you really need to watch out for ticks while bouldering. Those things are everywhere! [image]http://www.rockclimbing.com/images/photos/assets/6/55786-largest_67187.jpg[/image] I knew that was comin... Yet oddly enough i didn't care enough to edit it. Lyme disease from a TIC, not a tick. Umm, if you have TICs, you probably have Tourette's Syndrome. If you got Lyme disease, you probably got it from TICKs. I give up. Clearly there is not enough coffee in the world for me to make any sense whatsoever today. So in summary, i got lyme disease from a small parasite with eight legs whose name i apparently have no idea how to spell. The end.
I've heard that on the gritstone, ticks will give you Limie disease.
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camhead wrote: Dip wrote: And i scored lyme disease from a stupid tick while bouldering last summer. I guess that counts too. Yeah, you really need to watch out for ticks while bouldering. Those things are everywhere! 
Ticks are an invasive species brought here by an even more dangerous animal the Rocky Mountain Gym Rat.
They can be identified by Beenies, no shirt, and green license plates.
Not to be confused with the Rocky Mountain Spurt Tard. Normally only found gangbang top roping at Super Crack Buttress or Battle of the Bulge.
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qwert wrote: I cant believe that no one made the obvious cougar joke yet… I am severely disappointed! As for me: No cougars at the crags here… The benefits of central europe - no dangerous animals apart from ticks. Those stupid fuckers And of course wasps and bees, but so far my climbing encounters with them ended without problems. qwert
You have no idea how dangerous a nest of pidgeons is.
Also Taipan, and funnel web spider. Well the web which I guess is not necessaraly dangerous.
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jt512 wrote: macherry wrote: jt512 wrote: Numerous rattlesnakes, and my g/f was bitten by a bat while climbing. In reply to: chipmunk (viscous) Yuck. That really sounds gross. Jay hey i was bitten by a bat too!!! put my hand into a crack at the top of a climb and the damn thing got me when it flew out. Did you undergo the whole rabies series? Jay
I got bit on the finger by a pissed off bat when I stuck my hand in a crack, and did go through the shots.
What a pain in the ass. 
Other than that, just the usual wasps, copperheads, rattlesnakes.
Oh, and a bear stole my brand new camelback in Yosemite. Stupid juvie, didn't know what he was doing. Apparently young problem bear who'd been grabbing stuff for weeks. And my bag had no food in it, never had. Moron juvie bear. I bet my camelback didn't even fit him!
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jamesnater wrote: Anyone ever run into any potentially dangerous animals while hiking or climbing? Anyone else got any stories?
I had a small bird go crazy on me after climbing an easy trad climb that ended in a large flat shelf with a huge overhang above. While chilling on the ledge near a nest, a bird got over our heads, flapping its wings super slow like it should fall out of the air, and then proceeded to beat itself against the overhanging rock roof over our heads, again and again. Weird but it got us out of there, to be attacked by a rampaging armadillo.
Had a big snake drop 100' from the top of a crag, and land a few feet away from where I was belaying, barely missing the climber. It was dazed for a few minutes before slithering into a crevice. Had a snake chase same climbing partner through the woods, climbing tree branches while it raced through the woods - never seen anything like it.
I've encountered a couple of snakes on holds while bouldering, been bit by a climber's dog, saw a bear en route to a remote Arkansas crag, stung by wasps and bees while climbing, also had a redneck chunk big rocks off the top of a local crag while shouting and laughing hysterically - not right by us, but way too close.
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Does a 600 lbs bear opening my garage door count? I have a small wall in the garage so the bear really was near the approach.
Actually, I've seen the bear many times. I'm not sure if he counts as dangerous since throwing a shoe at him seems to make him go away. OK, maybe two or three shoes are necessary.
Dave
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damienclimber
Jan 27, 2012, 1:37 AM
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caughtinside wrote: bill413 wrote: Wasps. Discovering that a nest of young copperheads was underneath a flake I had used as an undercling. Fighting dogs at base. Incompetent belayers. Oh yeah... I forgot about the the aggressive pit bull at Potrero Chico. That thing was scary!
Pit bulls are trained to be mean.
I've seen bears at Tuolumne Meadows But they never attacked.
I also have encountered a mountain lion and snakes, but I walked away.
Best advice, share your food, leave them alone and don't act scared they can smell fear! 
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jt512
Jan 27, 2012, 6:14 AM
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drector wrote: Does a 600 lbs bear opening my garage door count?
Did the bear open your garage door and step on a scale?
Jay
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cclarke
Jan 27, 2012, 2:53 PM
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In Bolivia, dogs are a real problem. Rabies is pretty common here so, if you get bit, you're looking at shots plus a blood plasma based treatment unless you've had the vaccine. The blood supply isn't really secure here so getting bit by a dog can ruin your day. Rocks and pepper spray are effective deterrents.
In Wyoming, I was harassed by aggressive cows near Vedawoo which was both scary and embarrassing.
In the eastern Sierra while walking out after dark, we went through a field of sleeping cows which would bolt in random directions when awoken. Again, a little silly but still scary.
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macherry
Jan 27, 2012, 11:21 PM
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jt512 wrote: macherry wrote: jt512 wrote: Numerous rattlesnakes, and my g/f was bitten by a bat while climbing. In reply to: chipmunk (viscous) Yuck. That really sounds gross. Jay hey i was bitten by a bat too!!! put my hand into a crack at the top of a climb and the damn thing got me when it flew out. Did you undergo the whole rabies series? Jay
yup, i was bit/scratched on the thumb, so the first shot directly into the thumb was the worst..........no fat on the knuckle.
what about your g/f
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macherry
Jan 27, 2012, 11:23 PM
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jamesnater wrote: macherry wrote: jt512 wrote: Numerous rattlesnakes, and my g/f was bitten by a bat while climbing. In reply to: chipmunk (viscous) Yuck. That really sounds gross. Jay hey i was bitten by a bat too!!! put my hand into a crack at the top of a climb and the damn thing got me when it flew out. as for other animals, i get bears, cougars, coyotes, and lots of other wildlife through the yard. actually had a bear in the garage....left the garage open to get the lawnmower out and the bear wandered in.........at 300 in the afternoon!!! Where in WA do YOU live?! The most we've gotten was a couple deer in our yards. And I live in Granite Falls... kinda BFE.
i split my time between wa state (tri cities) and british columbia. it's in bc where i see all the wild life
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jt512
Jan 28, 2012, 1:34 AM
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macherry wrote: jt512 wrote: macherry wrote: jt512 wrote: Numerous rattlesnakes, and my g/f was bitten by a bat while climbing. In reply to: chipmunk (viscous) Yuck. That really sounds gross. Jay hey i was bitten by a bat too!!! put my hand into a crack at the top of a climb and the damn thing got me when it flew out. Did you undergo the whole rabies series? Jay yup, i was bit/scratched on the thumb, so the first shot directly into the thumb was the worst..........no fat on the knuckle. what about your g/f
Yeah, she definitely underwent the series. She was bitten on a Saturday. The following day, Sunday, she emailed her doctor asking if she could wait till Monday to start the series. Five minutes later he calls the house and tells her to go the ER *now*.
She was pissed that they wouldn't let her take home the vaccine so that she could self-administer the shots, like they'd do in Russia.
Oh, and the bill for the initial ER visit: $3000. For a fucking rabies shot and a tetanus shot. Anyone who thinks the health care system in the US is working has their head up their ass.
Jay
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macherry
Jan 28, 2012, 3:40 AM
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jt512 wrote: macherry wrote: jt512 wrote: macherry wrote: jt512 wrote: Numerous rattlesnakes, and my g/f was bitten by a bat while climbing. In reply to: chipmunk (viscous) Yuck. That really sounds gross. Jay hey i was bitten by a bat too!!! put my hand into a crack at the top of a climb and the damn thing got me when it flew out. Did you undergo the whole rabies series? Jay yup, i was bit/scratched on the thumb, so the first shot directly into the thumb was the worst..........no fat on the knuckle. what about your g/f Yeah, she definitely underwent the series. She was bitten on a Saturday. The following day, Sunday, she emailed her doctor asking if she could wait till Monday to start the series. Five minutes later he calls the house and tells her to go the ER *now*. She was pissed that they wouldn't let her take home the vaccine so that she could self-administer the shots, like they'd do in Russia. Oh, and the bill for the initial ER visit: $3000. For a fucking rabies shot and a tetanus shot. Anyone who thinks the health care system in the US is working has their head up their ass. Jay
i went to emergency...it was a sunday. the attending doc reported it to the provincial health dept. my gp called the next day and started the shots. i was surprised at how much the series of shots cost. the gp, quoted me the 3000 number, but being in canada it was covered.
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