If you like both, you should check out this site:

http://www.climbonsister.com/

Training tips, humorous articles, women crushing rocks. Why would you look any further?

All that time trying to gain equality... and look what you gone and done. We are not the ones keeping you down .

I love both. So I looked at your site. The structure of it is not clear to me, which means I have to work real hard to get anything potentially useful out of it. I don't have time for that.

Disclaimer: I'm a guy. And not a super web savvy guy either.

So I'm sure that you will consider my inability to quickly assess and understand your website as my shortcoming. Maybe it is, maybe it isn't, but I'm pretty sure that others will feel the same so I'd think about giving it a more obvious structure.

The structure of it is not clear to me, which means I have to work real hard to get anything potentially useful out of it. I don't have time for that.

Disclaimer: I'm a guy. And not a super web savvy guy either.

So I'm sure that you will consider my inability to quickly assess and understand your website as my shortcoming. Maybe it is, maybe it isn't, but I'm pretty sure that others will feel the same so I'd think about giving it a more obvious structure.

You can't keep us down, and I can't understand your post. We're even, I suppose.

The Op's website in regards to male/female equality is compareble to ''the cop stopped me coz i is black''. The fact that the car was flashing up stolen, just a detail. I do not see poeple here pointing out ''male'' spacific feets.. just individual feets that happen to be mostly from men. It gets on my fking nerves when women have to point out the fact that they are women.

Btw, why is their a need to have a spacific women's sub forum on RC?. Another pointless and moronic devide.I respect women as equal.. so fking respect me back as it?... you don't need ''special'' treatments.

Lets not stop their though. I suggest the following.

Sub forums to be added:

- For overweight people

- For coulerd peoples

- For disabled people

The Op's website in regards to male/female equality is compareble to ''the cop stopped me coz i is black''. The fact that the car was flashing up stolen, just a detail. I do not see poeple here pointing out ''male'' spacific feets.. just individual feets that happen to be mostly from men. It gets on my fking nerves when women have to point out the fact that they are women.

Btw, why is their a need to have a spacific women's sub forum on RC?. Another pointless and moronic devide.I respect women as equal.. so fking respect me back as it?... you don't need ''special'' treatments.

Lets not stop their though. I suggest the following.

Sub forums to be added:

- For overweight people

- For coulerd peoples

- For disabled people

Female climbers are a minority in this sport. Women are built different, we have periods and the ability to have babies, we have different training needs in the sence we have different strengths and weaknessnes because of our bodies.

It can also be hard to find practical gear and clothing that work for rock and ice climbing. They just don't make the same amount of stuff for women as they do for men, or at least the stores don't carry the same selection. And even when there is and it is carried it can be lower functionality for the sake of being "more attractive".

We also look at issues differently. There are too many factors here to pin it down, but in general women tend to be more empathetic and more emotional (or at least show it more) than men.

Be reasonable, you act like women landed on earth 2 days ago. Quite aware of the biological differances.

And in terms of man/women climbing.. you are only differant in what you wanne define from. Ultimately we are all the same.. in the sence we are climbing rock?. So you pee sitting and i pee standing, huge deal right?.

I'm not trying to be an ass really. But please share with me what is so hugely differant in the way women train for climbing than what men do?. Women can't use hang boards or campus boards?. Women can't off train with wieghts?. Women can't climb with a weight vest?. The beta of X route is invalid to you becuase it was made by a man?.

You need to remove that devide you have in your head, along with the other 2 girls who decided to choose forum names of such.

Coloured - I think that any coloured people that are involved in climbing in North America have had similar upbringings as white poeple in North America. What kind of "coloured" issues do they need to discuss.

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Lets not stop their though. I suggest the following.

Sub forums to be added:

- For overweight people

- For coulerd peoples

- For disabled people

Actually I often pee standing up too out in the woods thanks to my Freshette.

I was also told in my recent thread trying to get information about weight lifting that I shouldn't be lifting weights at all because I'll bulk up too much.

I don't know what divide I need to remove from my head, I'm quite comfortable in the world of men (from my work to my play) and I don't feel like I need to pretend I'm not a woman. But it's silly for you to assume that women don't like their own little space to talk with other people who understand them much better than someone like you does.

The Op's website in regards to male/female equality is compareble to ''the cop stopped me coz i is black''. The fact that the car was flashing up stolen, just a detail. I do not see poeple here pointing out ''male'' spacific feets.. just individual feets that happen to be mostly from men. It gets on my fking nerves when women have to point out the fact that they are women.

Btw, why is their a need to have a spacific women's sub forum on RC?. Another pointless and moronic devide.I respect women as equal.. so fking respect me back as it?... you don't need ''special'' treatments.

Lets not stop their though. I suggest the following.

Sub forums to be added:

- For overweight people

- For coulerd peoples

- For disabled people

.....ego.....we're just talking about climbing rocks. it's fun. it shouldn't be anything else.....

We should have a special Ceebo forum too, and keep your incoherent spew out of all other parts of the site.

Then surely the place should also have a sub-forum for users whose posts are consistently rated as one-star wonders.

And i still think that having a women only forum that is basically saying ''men stay out'' is utter bull shit. Any issues women have should be openly discussed so that more poeple have a chance to understand and accept them.

p.s happygrrl, you make no5.

On the other hand, I would really like to see a Men's Room section. I wish RC.com would add it. Male-bashing or "useless without pics" type posts by women would not be tolerated; it would be interesting to watch the section evolve.

I know...but I think the IDEA of a Men's Room here would have the monkeys rattling cages and throwing pooh, providing a measure of entertainment value.

Your insight("men stay out") is incorrect. The Ladies Room is not a women-only section. It is simply a place where women-specific issues may be posted in a place that has a higher degree of moderation than the General section. The reason is, that in less-moderated sections, woman-specific threads have been shown to be degraded by remarks made by some users.

In General, a woman posting about issues like "Why are the guys hitting on me? I just want to climb?" is going to get at least ONE "useless without pics" type response, and likely will be a lot worse.

In the Ladies Room, the chances of that occurring are less, due to the moderation, and when/if it does, the remark will be removed, which helps the thread stay on topic.

Men are welcome in the Ladies Room, and often participate.



On the other hand, I would really like to see a Men's Room section. I wish RC.com would add it. Male-bashing or "useless without pics" type posts by women would not be tolerated; it would be interesting to watch the section evolve.

Uh, you mean the campground?

No, I mean a section where if women came in and said, of a guy upset because no matter how much he shakes, squeezes, flicks, the pee still runs down his leg, something like "Well you know...some people are into water sports." and then sent the guy a PM trying to hit on him, the comment would be deleted and she would get the mod smackdown.

Yes - I know it is unnecessary. The post was a spontaneous attempt at humor.

quote "ceebo"]
99% of topics on Rc venture off into the unkown, much like this one. Why, when it is a womens topics.. should it be any differant?. Are your issues more important than w/e issue was of any other topic?. Ofc.. yopu are a ''minority''.. clear the way guys.

I do not understand but please explain

Fine by me, these forums are dead anyway under any other circumstance than flame wars.

Female climbers are a minority in this sport. Women are built different, we have periods and the ability to have babies, we have different training needs in the sence we have different strengths and weaknessnes because of our bodies.

funny i havent noticed that

no shit!!!




Editing is weak and Khoi is correct.

That was good of you, as for the rest.. i guess your orginal post was a more ''mature'' way of directing negitivity personaly?. It's nice you have that ability. A person may say ''hey, fat guy'' i can picture you saying ''hey, gravity challenged guy''.

I think this one may have tipped the scale for a ban ;/. To many narrow minded people here anyway.

They are what they are, because of posters like you. As they say, don't let the door hit you....yata yata yata....

Josh

you forgot your patented or or or or

I didn't feel ceebo was worthy of any expression.

Personal attacks and quotes of personal attacks have been hidden.

Your insight("men stay out") is incorrect. The Ladies Room is not a women-only section. It is simply a place where women-specific issues may be posted in a place that has a higher degree of moderation than the General section. The reason is, that in less-moderated sections, woman-specific threads have been shown to be degraded by remarks made by some users.

In General, a woman posting about issues like "Why are the guys hitting on me? I just want to climb?" is going to get at least ONE "useless without pics" type response, and likely will be a lot worse.

In the Ladies Room, the chances of that occurring are less, due to the moderation, and when/if it does, the remark will be removed, which helps the thread stay on topic.

Men are welcome in the Ladies Room, and often participate.



On the other hand, I would really like to see a Men's Room section. I wish RC.com would add it. Male-bashing or "useless without pics" type posts by women would not be tolerated; it would be interesting to watch the section evolve.

Do you realize that by adding the second half of your post you completely undercut the otherwise excellent first half? It's like you wanted to demonstrate that you actually don't have a clue as to why there is a Ladies Room, even though you (clearly) do.

???

GO

Who cares just climb...

Its just who cares what gender or race or overweight. Everyone has there own style of climbing. Women are great climbers and so as men. The only difference might be the style in which they climb but that's not a big deal.

Your thinking too much... Were all good just climb...

Do you realize that by adding the second half of your post you completely undercut the otherwise excellent first half? It's like you wanted to demonstrate that you actually don't have a clue as to why there is a Ladies Room, even though you (clearly) do.

???

GO

No, I don't see how that is the case, and would be interested in your perspective.



I was actually just taking a stab at humor, and imagining guys running with the scissors that would be the novelty of having a men's room forum. I do not actually think a men's room forum is needed or would have much in the way of seriousness if one were, for some reason, implemented.

- Because no-one wants one
- Because if one existed, it would be nothing like what you imagine/describe
- Because the men of the forum do not have the needs that such a forum fills
- Because your (seemingly serious) suggestion makes it seem as though your are oblivious to the three points above.
- Because if you can't tell the difference, you don't really understand why the women's forum would be helpful to some women here.

Oh, and sorry, your humor didn't really come across.

GO

Jeez - apparently not! You've got no emoticons going on there, GO, but it seems you are a little wound up on this one....

You may not have noticed, but I'm been known to give the smackdown to people(men and women alike) who minimize/intimidate and otherwise attack women on this forum for voicing concerns which would be "ladies room-appropriate"). I am not the enemy here, when it comes to female empowerment.

Huh? I'm not wound up. You seemed honestly puzzled, and asked me to explain, so I did.

I never said you were the enemy. As I said, you clearly know why the forum is here. I was simply pointing out that you totally undercut your own argument.

Cheers,

GO

Your tone comes across like you are.

The big indicators I was picking up on that lead me to believe the same thing are:

The repetitive use of because comes off as condescending.

The use of "you don't really understand" is a pretty harsh judgement, based on a couple of sentences, of someone's ability to conceptualize an issue.

You're right, little things like style, technique, center of gravity, height, reach, hip flexibility, hand size, weight, and muscle mass are exactly the same in men and women.

I mean except that whole style thing which you pointed out those other things don't effect your climbing at all.

Most of the points you make are not the same from person to person so god only knows how you go about defining them from man to woman. I repeat, most of them.

http://mandingueira.com/...upper-body-strength/

Granite girl,If at all valid then this link is interesting for you. Says to me that women do not need to train differantly to men at all.

Who ever said the same basic principles of building muscle mass works different for men than it does for women? In my experience though most women (myself included) don't start off at the same strength to weight ratio as men do. You then see women struggling on steep and burly routes and problems that the guy who just started climbing with her is monkey barring up.

Now this is totally a stereo type, but I think we can all relate to the young guy new to climbing muscling his way up routes at the gym. The other stereo type is the woman who takes well to the delicate vertical faces.

The problem is that strength begets strength and you get these ladies who have been climbing for a couple of years complaining how hard overhanging faces are (myself included back then). Meanwhile the guy hasn't really gained much technique from his monkey barring (though instead of complaining how hard slabby walls are he normally just wallows in the world of 5.10 at this point).

Everyone should work on their weaknesses and man and women tend to develop different weaknesses when they start climbing (it's WAY more fun to cater to your strengths). So yes, I think these two stereotypes need to train differently.

The link was in effort to be helpful not to argue against something you think you said.

The rest of your post is just rediculess. In context of climbers who have climbed for a few month perhaps you are more right than wrong.. but the exceptions even in those are thousands of people. One thing that is most true is women on over hangs, or more so the lack of.

The worst part here is that you assume women get some god given vert and slab technique.

Slab, vert, overhang, being the common angles in climbing do not fully pass over to each other. No 8a on sight level vert or slab climber will ever jump on a 8a overhang and complete it. I garuntee it. On the other hand.. a 8a on sight over hang climber will stand a very good chance at doing the compareble slab/vert.

Its simple why. Slab climbing has the smallest learning curve, its emphisis is more on technique than strength. You can do it over and over with ought muscles packing in, its not hard to learn. Over hangs though, the inherent physical strain that come with them make angle spacific technique consolidation much harder. You get less time to practice due to physical fatigue dictating the pace.

What you are trying to say is that men need to start climbing more slab and so so?.. wrong. Both men and women need to climb a mix of all.. but with the majority of time going to over hang, some to vert.. a little to slab. That is ofc, in the mindset of a climber wishing to be good at all.

I left roof climbing and other styles out for simplicity.

Most of the points you make are not the same from person to person so god only knows how you go about defining them from man to woman. I repeat, most of them.

http://mandingueira.com/...upper-body-strength/

Granite girl,If at all valid then this link is interesting for you. Says to me that women do not need to train differantly to men at all.

I have no idea what you're trying to say here. That slab and verticle climbing is easy? I think that all depends on your strengths and weaknesses.

No.. slab and vert is not ''easy'' but in comparison to over hang, they are far easier to get more miledge on, for physical reasons i already pointed out. More miledge >> better chance to learn in that style. Slab skill deminishes FAST, i already said why in other post.

Spray deleted.

Has it registered?.

Ceebo you really should run away and hide again.