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adeptus
Feb 15, 2004, 9:32 AM
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Is it possible that drinking alcohol will make you a stronger climber?
It sounds ridicules, but British climbers have done this for decades and in fact it seems that the best climbers were the ones drinking the most beer. Usually drinking beer is bad for an athlete who trains for running or other aerobic sports because it makes you less fit. But beer causes the lever to work a lot to break down the alcohol. This could in fact be view as a training of the levers ability to remove waste products such as the lactic acid, which builds up when you’re doing anaerobic work (power).
“… endurance and strength training are opposites, so excessive aerobic training should be viewed as an enemy of anyone pursuing maximum strength.” -Eric Hörst in Training for climbing page 67 about endurance.
Edit - This is my conclusion so far:
Alcohol’s effect on cardiovascular endurance (aerobic exercise) is negative. You will temporarily lose up to 15% of your VO2-max after consuming alcohol, which would also affect your climbing endurance. Never drink alcohol within two hours after exercise, as it would hinder the recovery of the muscles (alcohol inhibits muscular protein synthesis). Instead eat or drink high glycemic index carbohydrates right after exercise.
Anaerobic exercise on the other hand will not be affected by alcohol consumption (proven in research). When working above your anaerobic threshold lactic acid is generated faster than the liver can metabolize it and this leads to what climbers refer to as getting pumped. Through repeated exercise above this threshold the liver’s ability to remove lactate increases. The interesting part is that lactate and alcohol metabolize through the same process in the liver.
So I would go as far as to postulate that you can increase your anaerobic threshold by consuming alcohol, though I don’t know how often it should be consumed or in what quantities.
What do you think?
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well, it's 10:40am here and I like your theory, but I'd imagine the negatives would neutralise or cancel the positives. in my mispent youth I had a climbing partner called Herbert. I have political ambitions and didn't inhale though.
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Feb 15, 2004, 2:18 PM
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Interesting you should bring this up...
The other day, I had a couple beers with lunch at 3:30, and then climbed at 6:00. I wasn't drunk by any means (in fact, I didn't even feel buzzed at that point). But in any case, I had one of the best days that I've had in the past few months.
Of course, I think I'm begining to peak right now, as I've been having a lot of good days recently, but still, makes you wonder...
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Feb 15, 2004, 6:08 PM
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For my sake, I hope you are right...
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of course the best climbers are the ones drinking the most beers. that's because being a good climber has almost nothing to do with physical ability. it's all mental. and because it is all mental, being able to relax and have a good time makes you more mentally strong. when you are having fun, you're not worried about anything. when you're not worried about anything, you crank. duh.
this also applies to everything else in life. drinking beer makes you a normal person...one more reason to stay away from mormons....
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In reply to: beer causes the lever to work a lot to break down the alcohol. This could in fact be view as a training of the levers ability to remove waste products such as the lactic acid, What do you think?
I think that if it's a first or second class lever, you won't see much benefit. A third class lever, however can greatly improve your mechanical advantage.
Sober up, pal.
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Feb 15, 2004, 10:52 PM
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When you've got your buzz on you probably only think you are doing better.
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Feb 15, 2004, 11:10 PM
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I sent millepede, my best boulder send yet, after four beers and a marijuajna brownie. I doubt I could have climbed better on a sport/trad route, but I support the theory
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I guess i could help if it helps you relax but there are far better ways to relax than beer and hey, since when did drinking beer calm people down? Maybe you should try some herbal remedies, it is waaaaaay better climbing baked than drunk. For me anyway, i can't do much at all drunk but can surf and climb fine after a few hot ones.
As for your liver, just check any old alcoholics liver out. They have had years of practive getting their liver to remove wastes and just look at how healthy they are now.
As for the Pom hardmen of old. Lets just face it, we are all just lightweights that have no hope of even getting close to matching their liefestyle and acheivements. They may have become boring old gits but imagine what they could have done if they stayed off it. Unfortunately things change, the bar gets raised, people have to work that much harder, look at any sport and see what the althletes have to put themselves through now to make a name for themselves. It is a shame but that is what is has come to.
As veteran profesional surfer and A grade drinker Simon Anderson advised the young Damien Hardmen on his first year on the tour, drink as much beer as you can, just don't dance. Sound advice indeed. Then again, I rarely drink now days, I just like getting baked too much.
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Feb 15, 2004, 11:22 PM
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In reply to: I sent millepede, my best boulder send yet, after four beers and a marijuajna brownie. I doubt I could have climbed better on a sport/trad route, but I support the theory
I hope you waited until the brownie kicked in. Otherwise I'm sorry but that tick is worthless. Got me thinking though, I haven't had a cake day for a while, nothing waking up, munching a bit down and there you are, set for the day. Just wait for an hour or so and hope that you didn't eat too much.
Another word of advice, take the herbs before the beers mate, your asking for trouble the other way around.
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captianstatic
Feb 15, 2004, 11:29 PM
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yeah I had given up on the problem, ate the brownie, waited bout an hour had a couple beers and went back to help spot a friend and put it down with authority on my first try.
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muncher
Feb 15, 2004, 11:46 PM
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So the question is, what helped the most, beers or dope?
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Feb 16, 2004, 12:42 AM
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from 10 years experience combining mind altering substances with bouldering.. won't rope up intoxicated.. i'd say, timing is essential. i usually climb better when i'm not drunk, but perhaps right after 2-3 beers, my psyche and flow of calories helps me crank for maybe a half hour to an hour, after which i feel pretty worked. it helps less on very physical problems, but on technical slabs, it seems to do the trick.. particularly since i'm hella highstrung and shaky. beer after a hard session seems to make me more sore the next day than when i'm properly hydrated.
herb, on another note seems to make me more tired and less coordinated in general, but on days that i prefer not to climb at my limit, it helps me get motivated to hop on moderates. it also allows me to escape the obsessiveness i tend to aqcuire whilst bouldering and helps me enjoy other attributes of the natural wonders around me. with regard to mental performance it's a tossup.. some days, i'm super close to sending a proj, yet frustration, anger and impatience keeps me from doing so.. in these situations, a bonghit or 2 occasionally allows me to relax enough to help me pull through. climb-puff-climb, not versa. other days, i just get too relaxed and say "f-it, it'll be here for another day.." which is sometimes the right call given i'm probably pretty thrashed from the session as it is.
but in general, i don't consider beer/herb a performance boosting potion.
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Feb 16, 2004, 12:48 AM
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Yeah, i agree with you there, for me it's like they can at times enhance the experience but don't do wonders for your perfomance. That said, until this summer I had sent my hardest sport routes after a couple of cones but now, especially when it is warm, it's better to climb the hard stuff straight.
It works for captainstatic though.
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Feb 16, 2004, 12:49 AM
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I'd say alcohol only helps with climbing if you're using it to wash back a handful of pills.
Also, I'd say that quoting Eric Horst as if the guy actuallly knew what he was talking about is, well ... unfortunate.
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I'm of the opinion that alcohol is detrimental to climbing, which is a pity, because I love drinking. I always climb like crap when I've had a big night the night before. The thing is, it dehydrates you, so you're not going to be climbing optimally until you're rehydrated.
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I work with kids, most of whom have FAS (Fetal Alcohol Syndrome). FAS sucks. It REALLY sucks. Having this job has kinda made me sour to alcohol in general. I don't know that a beer would have any positive effects for climbers, but it has some really lame effects for kids who's moms drank while pregnant. I know that doesn't have much to do with the origianl post, but it's just a good reminder for people (girls) to avoid alcohol while pregnant. It really sucks.
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dangermonkey
Feb 16, 2004, 8:57 AM
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Pass me a cold one. Beers are also great once after a hard day of climbing. What great news. Maybe that is why I climb so hard.
Cheers.
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dangermonkey
Feb 16, 2004, 8:57 AM
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Pass me a cold one. Beers are also great once after a hard day of climbing. What great news. Maybe that is why I climb so hard.
Cheers.
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Feb 16, 2004, 12:44 PM
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What the Brits would do id called brain training. They drink a bunch the day before so there heads does not hurt when they are at such a high alltitude.
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bellatoris
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knowing a couple of cold ones are waiting for me always gives me an incentive to climb harder and send quicker!
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It's fun to get drunk and gym climb. In fact, that may be the only good use for gym climbing!
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Feb 24, 2004, 8:39 AM
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I dont knwo if it makes you a better climber but from my experiences when you are drinking and it si getting late you start to make yourslef a better climber. All the sudden you can do 5.13's if you normally climb 5.10 level when you have been drinking. Also i noticed if you drink the night before you climb the next days planned climbs goes up in number and in difficultly.
When we were camping once i was told by a good climber thatnormally climbes 5.11 or 5.12 that when he drinks he can climb and level. well at lesat says he can.
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Feb 24, 2004, 8:56 AM
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i love beer
but its best after the climd. not even the night before.
don whillans might be one of the british climbers the post was referring to..but then he was don whillans, i guess most of us are ordinary mortals around here!
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curt
Feb 24, 2004, 4:43 PM
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Beer and bouldering. Is there really an alternative?
Haha.
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Getting really high can improve your climbing, and here's why:
It makes even the Lemon Poppyseed Clif Bar taste great, which replenishes your carbs. Carbs give you energy. Voila.
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May 14, 2004, 6:43 PM
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climbing drunk may work well, or it may not
the only conclusion i've drawn is that it sucks to climb with a hangover
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oldsalt
May 14, 2004, 6:50 PM
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"Alcohol and climbing"
Redundant.
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May 14, 2004, 7:07 PM
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Beer Balls
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May 14, 2004, 7:23 PM
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"Beer is proof that God loves us." Ben Franklin
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mtnjohn
May 14, 2004, 7:27 PM
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Beer & climbing
Beer & climbing
"this I'll tell you brother
you can't have one without the other"
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May 14, 2004, 7:32 PM
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Calms the nerves, keeps you focused.... I AM IN, I think I will do preliminary tests this weekend. Seriously. I here what you are saying. It is a mental game in climbing, I think it could help or hinder, depends on the person I guess.
CHEERS
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Jokes and fun aside, does any one else have a problem with people climbing under the influence of mood altering substances. Don't get me wrong I'm not sraight edge but I don't feel that the rock is the place. Your puting yourself in increased danger in an already dangerous sport, not to mention the people who put themselves at risk in the event that you need to be rescued. I just feel it is an unnessasary risk.
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I think that it depends on you're perogative. Alcohol depletes a lot of the hydration and the electrolytes in your system and I know a couple of people that have been hurt pretty badly because they climbed really hard and weren't hydrated correctly after a night of drinking. However I'm sure that we all have friends who probably couldn't climb half as hard if they weren't half slammed with a head full of cloudy THC. I think that it completely depends on u and how you climb with the affectants. :righton:
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May 14, 2004, 8:03 PM
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Seems like sound theory. Pour another for me. Nothing like having your lifestyle validated by shoddy science. :)
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In reply to: Jokes and fun aside, does any one else have a problem with people climbing under the influence of mood altering substances. Don't get me wrong I'm not sraight edge but I don't feel that the rock is the place. Your puting yourself in increased danger in an already dangerous sport, not to mention the people who put themselves at risk in the event that you need to be rescued. I just feel it is an unnessasary risk.
how dangerous or remote is your average crag or bouldering area given the availability of numerous pads and attentive spotters? Very few people would advocate belaying your partner or doing long multi-pitch climbs while under the influence. Most on here are simply making the connection between liking to drink beer and liking to climb. I admit there is a certain synergism between a couple beers or an herbal remedy while out in the woods enjoying a day of bouldering.
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May 14, 2004, 8:51 PM
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In reply to: In reply to: Jokes and fun aside, does any one else have a problem with people climbing under the influence of mood altering substances. Don't get me wrong I'm not sraight edge but I don't feel that the rock is the place. Your puting yourself in increased danger in an already dangerous sport, not to mention the people who put themselves at risk in the event that you need to be rescued. I just feel it is an unnessasary risk. how dangerous or remote is your average crag or bouldering area given the availability of numerous pads and attentive spotters? Very few people would advocate belaying your partner or doing long multi-pitch climbs while under the influence. Most on here are simply making the connection between liking to drink beer and liking to climb. I admit there is a certain synergism between a couple beers or an herbal remedy while out in the woods enjoying a day of bouldering.
To me this is like drinking and driving (or operating a boat, motorcycle, power tools, etc). Alcohol impares judgment, reflexes, normal body functions, etc. Drinking while doing anything which requires *improved* reflexes and agility is stupid and irresponsible, IMHO.
I like to have a drink every once in a while; but I do it in controlled circumstances, where someone else has my keys and I'm not about to do something which would endanger myself or someone else.
Saying there's a correlation between "liking to drink beer and liking to climb" is over-simplifying, I think. I can't stand beer, but love climbing. I don't think the two are mutually exclusive, I just think they shouldn't happen at the same time.
Something to think about for those who say it doesn't affect climbing: "amber_chk" had been drinking day and a half before her big fall a couple months ago (after the Red Rock get-together...based on information from other posts). And it doesn't have an affect on performance?
These statements are my opinions, that's all. I feel very strongly about alcohol use/abuse and being a responsible drinker. Flame away if you feel so inclined.
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In reply to: It makes even the Lemon Poppyseed Clif Bar taste great, which replenishes your carbs. Carbs give you energy. Voila.
hey i like the lemon poppyseed clif bar... :?
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andy_reagan
May 14, 2004, 9:08 PM
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In reply to: To me this is like drinking and driving (or operating a boat, motorcycle, power tools, etc). Alcohol impares judgment, reflexes, normal body functions, etc. Drinking while doing anything which requires *improved* reflexes and agility is stupid and irresponsible, IMHO.
OK. I understand your point of view but disagree. Strangely enough this seems to be the attitude of many "normal" people in regards to climbing. They just don't understand and need/want to convince others that climbing is just a dangerous thing to do. Everybody describes their own level of risk. What makes you so special to be able to think you can get away on a self-righteous stand equating bouldering and drinking to drinking and driving? They are apples and oranges.
In reply to: I like to have a drink every once in a while; but I do it in controlled circumstances, where someone else has my keys and I'm not about to do something which would endanger myself or someone else.
In reply to: Saying there's a correlation between "liking to drink beer and liking to climb" is over-simplifying, I think. I can't stand beer, but love climbing. I don't think the two are mutually exclusive, I just think they shouldn't happen at the same time. In reply to: Something to think about for those who say it doesn't affect climbing: "amber_chk" had been drinking day and a half before her big fall a couple months ago (after the Red Rock get-together...based on information from other posts). And it doesn't have an affect on performance? |
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In reply to: To me this is like drinking and driving (or operating a boat, motorcycle, power tools, etc). Alcohol impares judgment, reflexes, normal body functions, etc. Drinking while doing anything which requires *improved* reflexes and agility is stupid and irresponsible, IMHO. I like to have a drink every once in a while; but I do it in controlled circumstances, where someone else has my keys and I'm not about to do something which would endanger myself or someone else. These statements are my opinions, that's all. I feel very strongly about alcohol use/abuse and being a responsible drinker. Flame away if you feel so inclined.
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andy_reagan, I'm going to hope you're being sarcastic on several of the points you quoted above:
1) Climbing is (potentially) dangerous....that's just a simple fact. There is an inherant risk in the activity we have chosen to pursue...just as there is an inherant risk in skydiving, or bungee jumping, or racing cars. Sure, there's safety equipment to *prevent* injury, but that doesn't take the danger out of it. If it wasn't dangerous, would so many people climb? It's the risk and the thrill we're after, so saying it's not dangerous doesn't make sense.
2) Boudering and drinking "doensn't endanger others"? How so? If a group of people are drinking and bouldering, and someone falls (as we all do bouldering) and because of his drinking cannot hit the crash pad, or his spotters aren't able to react in time, he gets injured. Sure, he hasn't injured anyone else, but he could have...and if his injury is bad enough, how does he get medical attention when no one in the group should be driving (because of the drinking)?
3) As for the last one...I'll leave it be (my earlier statement still stands).
Some people may see this as my own over-simplification, but it's about personal responsibility. The instant my behavior adversely affects other people, no matter how right I feel I am, I become very wrong...and there's no excuse for that.
And it just occured to me that I'm off-topic; the original post was about performanc, not safety, and I apologize for digressing...guess this belongs in it's own thread.
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In reply to: In reply to: To me this is like drinking and driving (or operating a boat, motorcycle, power tools, etc). Alcohol impares judgment, reflexes, normal body functions, etc. Drinking while doing anything which requires *improved* reflexes and agility is stupid and irresponsible, IMHO. I like to have a drink every once in a while; but I do it in controlled circumstances, where someone else has my keys and I'm not about to do something which would endanger myself or someone else. These statements are my opinions, that's all. I feel very strongly about alcohol use/abuse and being a responsible drinker. Flame away if you feel so inclined.Sissy. :lol: Curt
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Beer is basically liquid bread ...and... bread is carbs ...and... carbs are good for you == BEER IS GOOD FOR YOU!
While I don't drink and climb, I most definately drink and paddle whitewater. I've found that it calms the nerves, and relaxes my movements from abrupt and jerky to being very clean and fluid paddle strokes.
The same holds true for weed, but since I have a very low tolerance to smoking these days, I generally end up trashing my boat when I smoke, because I often get too relaxed and quit paddling at the worst possible times... This quickly becomes a rather precarious situation too, especially when you paddle a C1 in class-5's. The only saving grace, is that everyone watches the C1 boaters very closely... Not so much for the inevitable crash-n-burn show, but because we have more room in our boats to carry booze, and we can't allow it to get lost! :lol:
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In reply to: Some people may see this as my own over-simplification, but it's about personal responsibility. The instant my behavior adversely affects other people, no matter how right I feel I am, I become very wrong...and there's no excuse for that.
Luckily for me I AM IRRESPONSIBLE!
Fire it up BROUGH!
Rome is burning...
DMT
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In reply to: someone falls (as we all do bouldering) and because of his drinking cannot hit the crash pad,
I wasn't aware that intoxication effected the pull of gravity. Even when I'm drunk, I still fall straight down.
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Providing I'm not really sick. On sport routes I usaully get one or two really good burns after drinking a lot of beer the night before. Then performance seems to slip a bit. I don't think I push hard enough to notice any improvement when climbing on gear. Maybe all the carbs?
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In reply to: Luckily for me I AM IRRESPONSIBLE! Fire it up BROUGH! Rome is burning... DMT
Ahh... so succint, dingus. Thanks for clarifying what I was struggling to say. :wink:
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deafears
May 15, 2004, 3:32 PM
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Climbing with a raging hangover is an essential experience, not to be missed. For the full effect, combine two parts tequila with one part thin finger crack.
However, I do get bored of hearing "Dude, I got so wasted last night ... I don't know if I can really crank today."
This is usually followed by, "I had a huge session a few days ago at the gym, so I'm still tired ... and this finger hasn't healed ... and this cliff isn't really my style ... and it's getting really humid ... whine whine, excuse excuse ... and don't forget how hard I partied last night."
Lame excuses. Either come up with something original and entertaining, or shut the f--- up and get on with it. Our climbing partners already know how strong/weak we really are, so why bother with all the goofy comments?
Same goes for bouldering while stoned. It's nice to get baked, but please don't prattle on about how you would have sent -- if you had't gotten wasted. Just enjoy the buzz and don't harsh everyone else's.
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axewielder
May 20, 2004, 6:29 PM
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coordination and balance can be a huge factor in harder routes, but drinking also takes away the inhibition and fear factor...
i think in order to find the perfect balance between the two, a controlled experiment must be conducted
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sandbag
May 20, 2004, 6:37 PM
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these pictures typify what alcohol can do for your climbing:
http://www.rockclimbing.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=57247&postdays=0&postorder=asc&topic_view=&start=246
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valeberga
May 20, 2004, 6:54 PM
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In reply to: that's because being a good climber has almost nothing to do with physical ability.
:twisted: :lol: I love it when people say that!
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overlord
May 21, 2004, 10:10 AM
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beer has a high glycemic index, mening it has a lot of calories.
so it could work as a kind of power gel.
but climbing and being intoxicated dont mix.
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corey
May 21, 2004, 12:04 PM
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In reply to: beer has a high glycemic index, mening it has a lot of calories. so it could work as a kind of power gel. but climbing and being intoxicated dont mix.
Um, high GI has absolutely nothing to do with quantity of calories or grams of anything. An apple and a Snickers (r) bar both have about 35g carbohydrates. An apple has a GI of about 8-10, while the Snickers is upwards of 80 or so. It's a matter of metabolization, not physical quantity. And an apple is MUCH better for you while climbing, BECAUSE of its lower GI and more sustained energy release.
This whole thread is comical. Climb while drinking. Climb while drunk. Climb while stoned. I don't care, because you won't be belaying me, so I won't get hurt.
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sok_the_rok
May 25, 2004, 8:23 AM
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You know, suit yourselves people, coz this topic is very personal, you do what you like and this topic is just an excuse to share your drinking habits and justifying yourselves... well don't. Suit yourself.
I climb to get a natural high! I need nothing extra coz climbing in itself is really intoxicating.
And by the way someone here dosen't know the fact that "high altitude and alco never goes together", he might try and go above 6000 meters to know that when the brain gets very little oxygen giving you the high of about 10000 pots of grass at one single breathe. Now figure that one out.
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honeyhiker
May 25, 2004, 12:36 PM
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Personally, I would never climb drunk and especially would always refuse to be belayed by somebody drunk. Its hard to be believe people really do this but am glad to know better now. Another reason to stick with my regular climbing partners. A little pot doesn't concern me although I don't use it myself. Its seems to help some people focus better on the climb.
Climbing is too dangerous to be under the influence IMO and should be saved for off days. Hangovers just sap my strength and make me shaky. Just 1 or 2 glasses of wine seem to affect me the next day. It seems easier just to not drink at all.
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okie_redneck
Jun 4, 2004, 7:27 AM
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I can't say that drinking has no place in climbing, but I've been doing a little experiment on the subject that I'm working on now even as I type this. In my air conditioned home with a fan blowing directly at my wall, my inhibitions seem to be a bit lessened as to what I deem possible, perhaps helping me to acomplish something I wouldn't try otherwise because I just don't care if I fall (personal pride). This may be why bouldering and alcohol can mix quite well. Today is an off day for me as far as training is concerned, so I'm going kinda liberal on the cervesas. I used to be a daily drinker, but a decent workout shcedule prevents drinking as a long-term practice. I challenge anyone to do 30 minutes on an elliptical trainer, a mile run, an hour on their home wall, and 30 minutes on their hangboard while drinking. The former may just be my training routine, but climbing outside in the sun all day can be a damn site worse. Alhohol is a dhirratec, so you're adding an exra level of danger or dehydration with every beer you drink. Not only your physical, but mental abilities are lessened. I can't say, however, that I always follow my own advise, so do what you want. I just want the only reason as to why I cant send something this weekend to be anything other than my own ability (or lack of).
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dingus
Jun 4, 2004, 5:34 PM
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Yes, drinking and climbing should be discouraged. Or you kids may end up on Dingus's Island, stranded with the likes of this...
http://www.rockclimbing.com/...p.cgi?Detailed=33130
Of course, there are worse fates. This guy actually climbs more than he drinks. On belay!
DMT
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beanricecheese
Jun 4, 2004, 6:08 PM
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I tend to like to blow a few lines before I climb a hard route I haven't gotten yet.
Just kidding. Beer is chill if you have a couple and I haven't climbed high in a while but I have a feeling I would be able to study the problem more and get all the moves down like a butterknife spreading peanut butter on a piece of bread.
-Jaime
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mhizzle
Jun 4, 2004, 6:36 PM
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What's good about climber's and people who like to get outdoors and puff herb is that they have the mindset that makes them more energetic and into things while high. The "typical tv bush ad" portrays the stoner as someone couch locked when many people like myself love to get high and be active. It's all a mindset thing. As for beers...eh beers are for later my chrons too stinky.
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mackavus
Jun 4, 2004, 7:29 PM
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I get trashed everytime I climb. Everytime I rope up I am totally wasted especially when building anchors, in fact, I am ripped right now! I usually shoot up before bouldering too... and pull bong blows while taking both hands off the rope when I belay. FUCKING A RIGHT! Seriously though, nothing beats a Golden Monkey after living a day in the vertical world.
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