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climbingcrook
Jun 9, 2010, 2:43 PM
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Hey I fell on a new 0.4 C4 the other day it held but bent the axle and lobe. Has anyone had experience with sending gear back to BD for testing/inspection? I am not expecting a replacement because the placement wasn’t all that great. If they did offer me a new one I would refuse of course.
oh yeah n00b
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seitzjus
Jun 9, 2010, 2:57 PM
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Why would you refuse? They are a great company that realizes you bought their quality product to keep you safe. They still want you to be safe, take it if they offer.
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jeepnphreak
Jun 9, 2010, 3:02 PM
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Wow I wish I have your money to refuse a 60 dollar cam. I would deffantly take a replacemnent is BD offered.
Oh yeah! TROLL!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 
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patto
Jun 9, 2010, 3:04 PM
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Unless the fall was severe or the placement particularly bizarre then I wouldn't be expecting ANY axle bending.
However I do trust C4s so I wouldn't be surprised that the placement may have loaded the unit oddly.
Either way I and I'm sure others would appreciate pictures of the damaged cam.
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climbingcrook
Jun 9, 2010, 3:08 PM
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oooooppppps! I mean I would not refuse. I climb with a lot of BD gear and like it a lot. I plan on buying a replacement 0.4 before my next trip.
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climbingcrook
Jun 9, 2010, 3:23 PM
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I trust all of my C4s they are great. It was in a almost horizontal crack with that got wider on the left so the right side of the cam was about 80% retracted and the left side about 50-40%. I'm at work I will get pics when i get home.
Man this interweb thing is fast i can't reply and correct myself before there are other posts. 
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Carnage
Jun 9, 2010, 4:56 PM
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shoulda used a different cam. At least a .5, but more than likely another placement should have been used.
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climboard
Jun 10, 2010, 1:06 AM
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Post a picture before you send it back.
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macherry
Jun 10, 2010, 1:53 AM
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climbingcrook wrote: Hey I fell on a new 0.4 C4 the other day it held but bent the axle and lobe. Has anyone had experience with sending gear back to BD for testing/inspection? I am not expecting a replacement because the placement wasn’t all that great. If they did offer me a new one I would refuse of course. oh yeah n00b C
remember to quote
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climbingcrook
Jun 10, 2010, 3:32 AM
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Pictures
Sorry it won't be possible to get pictures of the placement.
I used the 0.5 earlier in the climb and the 0.75 didn't fit
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kennoyce
Jun 10, 2010, 4:05 AM
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Think you could post any smaller pictures with worse lighting?
(This post was edited by kennoyce on Jun 10, 2010, 4:06 AM)
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psprings
Jun 10, 2010, 3:42 PM
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Climbing gear breaks, that's one reason to inspect your gear. It can happen to any cam for a number of reasons.
It sounds like it was a hard, short fall on an oddly placed piece; this stuff can happen.
As much as I'd love to use this opportunity to rag on BD (I always give my buddy a hard time about his BD cams) and plug for Metolius, I don't see this as a manufacturing issue at all.
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adatesman
Jun 10, 2010, 4:22 PM
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hafilax
Jun 10, 2010, 4:25 PM
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It looks like the axle is off center. This used to happen with a friend's #4 and you could knock it back to the right place. I have no idea if it would be usable after that.
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wmfork
Jun 10, 2010, 4:26 PM
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psprings wrote: I don't see this as a manufacturing issue at all. |
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adatesman
Jun 10, 2010, 4:31 PM
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hafilax
Jun 10, 2010, 4:50 PM
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I just grabbed a red C4 and the axle moves really easily just by tapping it against my palm. There's also quite a bit of play in the outer lobes but not enough to account for the wonky one seen in the posted photos. I would still try centering the axle a bit and see what happens.
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climbingcrook
Jun 10, 2010, 6:47 PM
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psprings wrote: Climbing gear breaks, that's one reason to inspect your gear. It can happen to any cam for a number of reasons. It sounds like it was a hard, short fall on an oddly placed piece; this stuff can happen. As much as I'd love to use this opportunity to rag on BD (I always give my buddy a hard time about his BD cams) and plug for Metolius, I don't see this as a manufacturing issue at all.
It was a hard short fall in a strange placement. I don't see it as a manufacturing issue but maybe a design issue. I am sure they are aware of it if they see it as a flaw in the design. Would it be worth the effort to send it back?
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adatesman
Jun 10, 2010, 6:53 PM
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bill413
Jun 10, 2010, 7:13 PM
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I don't understand the incipient BD bashing I'm sensing in this thread. Note the bold:
climbingcrook wrote: Hey I fell on a new 0.4 C4 the other day it held but bent the axle and lobe. Has anyone had experience with sending gear back to BD for testing/inspection? I am not expecting a replacement because the placement wasn’t all that great. If they did offer me a new one I would refuse of course. oh yeah n00b C
I'd say to send it back - they might learn something from examining it, and that could be helpful to them (or at least have a piece of gear for their QC lab to destroy); and it could help all of us in the long run.
To most of the others - it held. It held in a placement "that wasn't all that great." It was damaged in the process. That happens to other gear also. I'm much more concerned about gear that doesn't hold; fails without catching the fall; or doesn't go through QC to attempt to ensure a consistent margin of safety.
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climbingcrook
Jun 10, 2010, 7:25 PM
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adatesman wrote: Out of curiosity, was it a short fall on the rope or on a daisy of some sort?
It was on the rope. It was an almost horizontal crack that was a bit wider on the left than the right. It would have been a lot better if it were parallel but it was the best I had at the time and glad I placed it.
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climbingcrook
Jun 10, 2010, 7:36 PM
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bill413 wrote: I don't understand the incipient BD bashing I'm sensing in this thread.
I do not mean to be bashing black diamond. I mostly climb with BD gear and I love it. I plan on replacing the C4 with another one before my next trip. It was not the best placement but I thought it would hold and it did. If it didn't I am 90% sure i would have decked.
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Tipton
Jun 10, 2010, 8:53 PM
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climbingcrook wrote: I do not mean to be bashing black diamond. I mostly climb with BD gear and I love it. I plan on replacing the C4 with another one before my next trip. It was not the best placement but I thought it would hold and it did. If it didn't I am 90% sure i would have decked. C
Isn't this usually one of those 'don't fall' situations?
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bill413
Jun 10, 2010, 9:52 PM
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climbingcrook wrote: bill413 wrote: I don't understand the incipient BD bashing I'm sensing in this thread. I do not mean to be bashing black diamond. I mostly climb with BD gear and I love it. I plan on replacing the C4 with another one before my next trip. It was not the best placement but I thought it would hold and it did. If it didn't I am 90% sure i would have decked. C
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extreme_actuary
Jun 11, 2010, 1:04 AM
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I think it's a placement issue, design issue, and manufacturing issue:
1. Awesome placement - sounds like you found a solid placement where few options existed, especially while low on gear
2. Great Design - Didn't need a "Gunks Tie-Off." (Maybe it's time to upgrade from my trusty Forged Friends)
3. Great Manufacturing - from the pictures, it looks like it held a tremendous amount of force
Nobody died. 5 Stars for everyone!
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