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mike_gibson
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where do we get the gloves?
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pietrodp
Jun 6, 2003, 12:53 PM
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In Italy I've never seen those gloves: sure it's not a fake?
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ajkclay
Jun 6, 2003, 12:59 PM
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:lol: heh heh heh climber49er, you're still getting 'em in even after admitting a troll :lol:
I LOVE IT! :P
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pietrodp
Jun 6, 2003, 1:01 PM
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silly i was :oops:
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socialclimber
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In reply to: "Technology" like this will dilute the standard of the grade "gene pool," soon climbing say 5.12 will be like climbing 5.10 because of such inventions.
Sticky gloves would increase the standard of climbing, not degrade it. Just as crampons, sticky climbing shoes, dynamic rope, synthetic materials, ice screws, alloy hardware, technical ice axes and bolts have pushed the envelope of climbing in the past. At the end of the day, it's just one more piece of gear that you have to decide that you want or can afford or not. As long as your climbing satisfies your ethics, whats the problem?
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socialclimber
Jun 6, 2003, 1:47 PM
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In reply to: In reply to: Do i detect a hint of s___ in this post? Loads, the original post was pure Baloney Sauce. No truth whatsoever. They don't exist. (at least not that I know of) I suppose I should aplly for patent, I've had a bit of interest. Hehehe :lol:
Bollocks or not, climber49ers post brought out a an interesting but predictable knee-jerk reaction. C'mon guys, our climbing wouldn't be where it is today without the kind of advances that climber49ers non-existent gloves represent. Fred Becky didn't have sticky climbing shoes or dynamic rope when he was rockclimbing. John Gill didn't have a crash pad when he started bouldering, Ed Hillary didn't have a four season tent or plastic boots.
These guys were all pioneers of climbing and we wouldn't consider for a minute doing what they did if we had to do it with the gear they used.
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mhr2000
Jun 6, 2003, 2:29 PM
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In reply to: C'mon guys, our climbing wouldn't be where it is today without the kind of advances that climber49ers non-existent gloves represent.
I agree 100%. Sounds to me using new gear must only be acceptable if some pro invents it or uses it first.
I personally would see gloves as a way to solve problems that many people can't overcome. For instance, very sweaty hands where chalk just isn't helping. Also, you can't improve skin durability like you can improve muscles so skin durability is something out of our control for the most part. So why not use something to improve a limitation? You will still have to use muscles and technique to do moves, you just won't have to worry about your skin ripping apart and making you slide off.
I just wonder how many people laughed when these ballerina looking shoes first came out and now you will rarely see anyone climbing without them.
Oh yeah... forget to mention the tape thing. How far off are gloves in camparison to using tape? I'm sure tape had the same reaction at first.
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norcal_local
Jun 6, 2003, 2:34 PM
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even if these gloves are not real, I have seen an advertisment for fingerless gloves where the fingers are only about half an inch long and they also wrap around at the wrist. The gloves are palmless but the back of th hand is fully enclosed with sticky rubber. It sounds funky but it looked just like the way you would tape your hands for cracks. Imagine if the tape was sticky rubber?
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vertical_reality
Jun 6, 2003, 2:41 PM
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Sounds like you're talking about Hand Jammies. There was a thread debating them yesterday.
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welshcorgi
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Why don't we just make gloves with sticky rubber palms, a skyhook on each index finger, and a range of stoppers on each of the other finger tips? That should cover slopers, micro-crimps, and thin to mid-size cracks. And while we're at it, we could make the back of the hand inflatable, via a blow tube connected to a mouthpiece, so that we can inflate them for sticking in off-hand sized cracks.
I don't think that would be cheating, just an advance in technology.
Like Viagra...
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chingas
Jun 6, 2003, 3:24 PM
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In reply to: In reply to: Anyone intrested in some prime real estate down in Florida? :wink: wtf?
WAKE up and smell the coffee-you were SCAMMED!!!
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koto
Jun 6, 2003, 3:33 PM
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Oh... yeah climber49er told me in a pm that his gloves were bs.
His was a very good idea though, test the water and see if theres a market.
Shows some entrepreneurial skills! :D
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chingas
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BTW, Koto, that is a KICK ASS signature! :D
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kevlar
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Koto granny has the legs
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robbovius
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In reply to: This is cheating, I will never wear these. Rise to the challenge of the climb, instead of wearing stupid gloves to make it easier. If you want to climb V9, practice and work on it until you get it. PATHETIC.
Following that logic, you should ditch your shoes too, right?
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flyinghatchet
Jun 6, 2003, 11:52 PM
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In reply to: In reply to: This is cheating, I will never wear these. Rise to the challenge of the climb, instead of wearing stupid gloves to make it easier. If you want to climb V9, practice and work on it until you get it. PATHETIC. Following that logic, you should ditch your shoes too, right?
Whatever you say numnutz.
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flyinghatchet
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In reply to: In reply to: In reply to: Anyone intrested in some prime real estate down in Florida? :wink: wtf? WAKE up and smell the coffee-you were SCAMMED!!!
I finally get it! Chingas too frickin funny! This reminds me of meataxe's April Fools Bouldering Helmet thread. Oh yeah, props to Climber49er, you had me goin there brah! Seriously though, if anything like these gloves happens I will not be happy. I can understand the development of climbing technology to a certain level, but if these gloves came out it would be way too far! And yes, without certain gear climbing has been brought to higher levels, but like I said a sentence ago there is a line that should not be crossed when it comes to this stuff.
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corpse
Jun 7, 2003, 12:08 AM
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In reply to: In reply to: In reply to: This is cheating, I will never wear these. Rise to the challenge of the climb, instead of wearing stupid gloves to make it easier. If you want to climb V9, practice and work on it until you get it. PATHETIC. Following that logic, you should ditch your shoes too, right? Whatever you say numnutz.
You showing that all 14 yr old are as mature as you??
Like he said, go ditch your climbing shoes and climb barefoot, cuz that's the "non-cheating" way, right? Also, forget your chalk too - cuz that's also cheating.
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raingod
Jun 7, 2003, 12:09 AM
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Nice thread, if it were real it would remind me of the chalk is aid debates in the old mags.
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flyinghatchet
Jun 7, 2003, 12:25 AM
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Corpse, the reason I responded to robbvious like that is he knew where I was coming from but still decided to post something stupid, so I responded the same way. If you wanted to know I have no problem with developing climbing technology, only to a certain point (read my above posts). And feel free to check the rest of my 180+ posts, there hardly is a post like the one to robbvious. BTW, would you have posted that if you hadn't known how old I was from my profile? The question is not an attack, I'm just wondering. Also, I'm still 13 if you really wanted to know.
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corpse
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I checked your profile, I misread the turning 14 for being 14 (my bad!) And yeah, I still would have replied in a similiar fashion, just without the emphasis on age. I don't have an issue with age, unless the age becomes an issue.. "Whatever you say numnutz." <--- To me, this is NOT a way to respond to someone expressing an opinion or belief.. But hey, it's just my opinion :-)
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flyinghatchet
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In reply to: I checked your profile, I misread the turning 14 for being 14 (my bad!) And yeah, I still would have replied in a similiar fashion, just without the emphasis on age. I don't have an issue with age, unless the age becomes an issue.. "Whatever you say numnutz." <--- To me, this is NOT a way to respond to someone expressing an opinion or belief.. But hey, it's just my opinion :-)
How do I sound immature? Yeah, I know the numnutz post is, but check my other posts, there are very few like that. And everybody says something like that once in a while, nobody posts something perfect everytime. Also, please do not think the 13 thing was immature, it was somewhat of a joke that didn't quite take off.....
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crackaddict
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I don't think that I would ever need these things.
The only thing that they might be good for is some overhanging meat grinder hand or fist crack. I use tape but very seldom. Usually on hard jamming or at Indian Creek.
My concern about this is not the is it aid or not. Every climber is guilty of using aid to get up a route. If we were'nt we would all be a bunch of butt naked soloers.
It seems to me that these kind of rubber gloves and jammies only mean one thing.
That it is making it ok to have sloppy jamming technique.
When I first started climbing cracks my tecnique sucked and my hands shreaded.
But that made me learn better technique. It seems that having a rubber pad on the back of your hand will make it more like you are just thowing your hand in and relying on it to hold you instead of yourself.
I don't think these things are going to advance tradclimbing to new realms. It will help on hand and fist jams.
But it sems like most hard cracks are finger and off hand. Which these devices will help very little in.
I just don't understand how people are OK with learning poor technique.
Thats all!
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socialclimber
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welshcorgi, Now you'r just being silly. :roll:
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lpclimber
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In reply to: Like he said, go ditch your climbing shoes and climb barefoot, cuz that's the "non-cheating" way, right? Also, forget your chalk too - cuz that's also cheating.
Lol for the first month that i Climbed i didn't use chalk and i climbed barefoot(5.11 slab OUCH!! :( )
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