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and to motivate you:
kick ass old school woman 5.8 free solo
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Why you feel inferior because you climb 5.8 in the gym? Thats better than 90% of the world population...
Why do you think people are laughing at you?
And why the fuck would you even care what complete strangers think about you?
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wonderwoman
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SylviaSmile wrote: karmiclimber wrote: wonderwoman wrote: karmiclimber wrote: camhead wrote: karmiclimber wrote: Now, not all women are Lynn Hill....BUT...I'd say this is "elite level trad" (taken from Wiki)... In 1993, together with her partner Brooke Sandahl, she became the first person, male or female, to free climb The Nose, a famous route on El Capitan in Yosemite Valley.[2] In 1994 she upped the ante, by becoming the first to free climb the entire route in a single 24 hour period, beginning at 10:00 PM on September 19.[3] Lynn Hill's original climbing grade for the "Free Nose" was 5.13b. The Free Nose and the Free Nose in a day remained unrepeated over 10 years after Hill's first ascents - despite numerous attempts by some of the best big wall climbers in the world. *facepalm* pulling the Lynn Hill card in any discussion about numbers of women climbing is useless, and has reached levels of cliche on these websites. It is the very definition of "anecdotal evidence." (Person A: Hey guys, I've noticed that there aren't too many black climbers. Person B: OMG MIKE FREEMAN!!! YORE WRONG!!! AND RACIST!) Here's just a list, off the top of my head, no wikipedia links: Women who have climbed 5.14 trad: Lynn Hill, Beth Rodden. Males who have climbed 5.14 trad: Caldwell, Honnold, Trotter, Favresse, Pringle, Segal, Macleod, Berthoud, Ouillet, Haston, Randall, Whittaker, Pou, Edl, Houlding, Kamitses, Haas, Hirayama, Pearson, Jorgenson... You are right. Neither of them count and they have secret penises. And I qualified what I said about lynn with "Now not all female climbers are Lynn Hill." But when I got into climbing that is what I saw...the possibility of what I could be as a climber. She really inspired me. And made me feel like I naturally belonged in climbing as a female. Unlike rockclimbing.com.. .the only place in the world it has ever felt like a battle to be a female climber.People will say things on the internet what they would unlikely say to your face. For instance, NA's comment about the grigri being adapted for women. This comment implies that NA believes women to be incompetent belayers. I doubt that he would openly say that to a woman's face. But thanks to the internet, we know what he really thinks, right? I guess this is it. Everyone I have met while climbing has seemed so friendly and encouraging and cool...especially guys. I guess its hard to know what they are actually thinking til you come to a website like this.  Come now. NA doesn't think women are incompetent belayers, nor are the comments on this thread meant to discourage women from climbing!
He must have forced her to use a grigri:
http://www.rockclimbing.com/...post=2585279#2585279
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May 22, 2012, 9:15 PM
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notapplicable wrote: wonderwoman wrote: notapplicable wrote: Grigri's were invented? Really? Please elaborate. Since I use double ropes most of the time, I rarely use a grigri. Grigri's, like most great inventions, were born of necessity. Women were just unable to maintain control of the rope. Since you use doubles, I'm sure you use a device with a "high friction mode". They were invented to address that specific scenario. That and to keep you from killing yourself on rappel.
I thought grigris were invented so that when you brought down a shower of rocks on your belayer and knocked him or her unconscious, the device would still catch you. 
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notapplicable
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wonderwoman wrote: karmiclimber wrote: camhead wrote: karmiclimber wrote: Now, not all women are Lynn Hill....BUT...I'd say this is "elite level trad" (taken from Wiki)... In 1993, together with her partner Brooke Sandahl, she became the first person, male or female, to free climb The Nose, a famous route on El Capitan in Yosemite Valley.[2] In 1994 she upped the ante, by becoming the first to free climb the entire route in a single 24 hour period, beginning at 10:00 PM on September 19.[3] Lynn Hill's original climbing grade for the "Free Nose" was 5.13b. The Free Nose and the Free Nose in a day remained unrepeated over 10 years after Hill's first ascents - despite numerous attempts by some of the best big wall climbers in the world. *facepalm* pulling the Lynn Hill card in any discussion about numbers of women climbing is useless, and has reached levels of cliche on these websites. It is the very definition of "anecdotal evidence." (Person A: Hey guys, I've noticed that there aren't too many black climbers. Person B: OMG MIKE FREEMAN!!! YORE WRONG!!! AND RACIST!) Here's just a list, off the top of my head, no wikipedia links: Women who have climbed 5.14 trad: Lynn Hill, Beth Rodden. Males who have climbed 5.14 trad: Caldwell, Honnold, Trotter, Favresse, Pringle, Segal, Macleod, Berthoud, Ouillet, Haston, Randall, Whittaker, Pou, Edl, Houlding, Kamitses, Haas, Hirayama, Pearson, Jorgenson... You are right. Neither of them count and they have secret penises. And I qualified what I said about lynn with "Now not all female climbers are Lynn Hill." But when I got into climbing that is what I saw...the possibility of what I could be as a climber. She really inspired me. And made me feel like I naturally belonged in climbing as a female. Unlike rockclimbing.com.. .the only place in the world it has ever felt like a battle to be a female climber.People will say things on the internet what they would unlikely say to your face. For instance, NA's comment about the grigri being adapted for women. This comment implies that NA believes women to be incompetent belayers. I doubt that he would openly say that to a woman's face. But thanks to the internet, we know what he really thinks, right?
Thats true. There is no chance that 14 of the 15 pitches (8 gear - 7 sport) that I climbed last weekend were belayed by women using both grigri's and atc's. Also zero chance that the 6 or the 6 falls I took were caught by a woman weighing 40 lbs less than me. I would never let some sketchy shit like that happen.
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SylviaSmile wrote: notapplicable wrote: wonderwoman wrote: notapplicable wrote: Grigri's were invented? Really? Please elaborate. Since I use double ropes most of the time, I rarely use a grigri. Grigri's, like most great inventions, were born of necessity. Women were just unable to maintain control of the rope. Since you use doubles, I'm sure you use a device with a "high friction mode". They were invented to address that specific scenario. That and to keep you from killing yourself on rappel. I thought grigris were invented so that when you brought down a shower of rocks on your belayer and knocked him or her unconscious, the device would still catch you.
Yes, well, there is that, also.
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In reply to: Gee, you sure read a lot into something that nobody ever said.
after all the shit you said to me on the ladies forum about a simple harness question your one to talk. you made alot of wrong assumptions about me and my wife without knowing what the fuck you were talking about.
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crjanow wrote: In reply to: Gee, you sure read a lot into something that nobody ever said. after all the shit you said to me on the ladies forum about a simple harness question your one to talk. you made alot of wrong assumptions about me and my wife without knowing what the fuck you were talking about.
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carabiner96 wrote: crjanow wrote: In reply to: Gee, you sure read a lot into something that nobody ever said. after all the shit you said to me on the ladies forum about a simple harness question your one to talk. you made alot of wrong assumptions about me and my wife without knowing what the fuck you were talking about. Mmrow.
hah. makes me wanna go read the ladies room for once.
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crjanow wrote: In reply to: Gee, you sure read a lot into something that nobody ever said. after all the shit you said to me on the ladies forum about a simple harness question your one to talk. you made alot of wrong assumptions about me and my wife without knowing what the fuck you were talking about.
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macherry wrote: crjanow wrote: In reply to: Gee, you sure read a lot into something that nobody ever said. after all the shit you said to me on the ladies forum about a simple harness question your one to talk. you made alot of wrong assumptions about me and my wife without knowing what the fuck you were talking about. umm no she was bangon!
yeah that was some good stuff. unsurprisingly, I agree with lena_chita on everything she said.
and, also a huge surprise, karmiclimber was flipping her shit in that thread, too. she manage to dingus herself yet?
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karmiclimber wrote: SylviaSmile wrote: karmiclimber wrote: wonderwoman wrote: karmiclimber wrote: camhead wrote: karmiclimber wrote: Now, not all women are Lynn Hill....BUT...I'd say this is "elite level trad" (taken from Wiki)... In 1993, together with her partner Brooke Sandahl, she became the first person, male or female, to free climb The Nose, a famous route on El Capitan in Yosemite Valley.[2] In 1994 she upped the ante, by becoming the first to free climb the entire route in a single 24 hour period, beginning at 10:00 PM on September 19.[3] Lynn Hill's original climbing grade for the "Free Nose" was 5.13b. The Free Nose and the Free Nose in a day remained unrepeated over 10 years after Hill's first ascents - despite numerous attempts by some of the best big wall climbers in the world. *facepalm* pulling the Lynn Hill card in any discussion about numbers of women climbing is useless, and has reached levels of cliche on these websites. It is the very definition of "anecdotal evidence." (Person A: Hey guys, I've noticed that there aren't too many black climbers. Person B: OMG MIKE FREEMAN!!! YORE WRONG!!! AND RACIST!) Here's just a list, off the top of my head, no wikipedia links: Women who have climbed 5.14 trad: Lynn Hill, Beth Rodden. Males who have climbed 5.14 trad: Caldwell, Honnold, Trotter, Favresse, Pringle, Segal, Macleod, Berthoud, Ouillet, Haston, Randall, Whittaker, Pou, Edl, Houlding, Kamitses, Haas, Hirayama, Pearson, Jorgenson... You are right. Neither of them count and they have secret penises. And I qualified what I said about lynn with "Now not all female climbers are Lynn Hill." But when I got into climbing that is what I saw...the possibility of what I could be as a climber. She really inspired me. And made me feel like I naturally belonged in climbing as a female. Unlike rockclimbing.com.. .the only place in the world it has ever felt like a battle to be a female climber.People will say things on the internet what they would unlikely say to your face. For instance, NA's comment about the grigri being adapted for women. This comment implies that NA believes women to be incompetent belayers. I doubt that he would openly say that to a woman's face. But thanks to the internet, we know what he really thinks, right? I guess this is it. Everyone I have met while climbing has seemed so friendly and encouraging and cool...especially guys. I guess its hard to know what they are actually thinking til you come to a website like this. Come now. NA doesn't think women are incompetent belayers, nor are the comments on this thread meant to discourage women from climbing! No, I know about N/A. I am just so sick of being judged as a climber. I just do it because I like it. And everyone is making me feel like I don't deserve to like it or talk about it or share my experiences and they don't count because I don't go every weekend. Or even every other weekend. Or because I can only lead 5.8 at most. I'm outta here. I feel like maybe its time to give up climbing. I'm sick of telling myself I do deserve to be a climber, with everyone telling me I don't.
I can honestly say that I have never felt like I shouldn't be a climber or that others felt I shouldn't be... both in the real world and in this post apocalyptic wasteland. The women I have met who seem to feel this way usually seem as if they are reading into a lot more than is there. (I don't know you so I am not saying this applies to you... it's only what I have noticed with some I have met)
on topic: I thing women's specific gear and clothing is a big adaptation.
less on topic: I definitely think the number of female climbers is increasing, and I think it's great. Why wasn't I into climbing 15 years ago? I'd never heard of it before! I lived in the burbs. Until there was a gym in town I knew you could scramble on rocks but that was it. I see no reason why it needs to be equated to what you said in a previous post "aww. Look at all the chicks trying to break into climbing. How precious."
not on topic... If you're a climber you're a climber... don't let people get under your skin and tell you otherwise.
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karmiclimber wrote: Now, not all women are Lynn Hill....BUT...I'd say this is "elite level trad" (taken from Wiki)... In 1993, together with her partner Brooke Sandahl, she became the first person, male or female, to free climb The Nose, a famous route on El Capitan in Yosemite Valley.[2] In 1994 she upped the ante, by becoming the first to free climb the entire route in a single 24 hour period, beginning at 10:00 PM on September 19.[3] Lynn Hill's original climbing grade for the "Free Nose" was 5.13b. The Free Nose and the Free Nose in a day remained unrepeated over 10 years after Hill's first ascents - despite numerous attempts by some of the best big wall climbers in the world.
[stupid analogy]
I kind of get the idea that Lynn Hill is not that unlike Run DMC: rap had been around for a long time, and even though Debbie Harry and the Sugar Hill Gang had some success with it early on, Run DMC blew the doors open with Raising Hell.
i.e. - Lynn Hill was a game-changer. She inspires me more than anyone else when it comes down to it, and I can name several top female climbers who came about after she rocketed to stardom, but I can't name any female climbers off the top of my head before her time (ok, except for Annie ONeill and Bonnie Pruden, but that's circumstantial because I was once a 'Gunkie), and I know they certainly existed. <-- helluva run-on there
My point (if I haven't been GU'd ), something happened in the 1980s that hadn't yet happened before that with regards to female climbers.
[/stupid analogy]
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wonderwoman wrote: karmiclimber wrote: camhead wrote: karmiclimber wrote: Now, not all women are Lynn Hill....BUT...I'd say this is "elite level trad" (taken from Wiki)... In 1993, together with her partner Brooke Sandahl, she became the first person, male or female, to free climb The Nose, a famous route on El Capitan in Yosemite Valley.[2] In 1994 she upped the ante, by becoming the first to free climb the entire route in a single 24 hour period, beginning at 10:00 PM on September 19.[3] Lynn Hill's original climbing grade for the "Free Nose" was 5.13b. The Free Nose and the Free Nose in a day remained unrepeated over 10 years after Hill's first ascents - despite numerous attempts by some of the best big wall climbers in the world. *facepalm* pulling the Lynn Hill card in any discussion about numbers of women climbing is useless, and has reached levels of cliche on these websites. It is the very definition of "anecdotal evidence." (Person A: Hey guys, I've noticed that there aren't too many black climbers. Person B: OMG MIKE FREEMAN!!! YORE WRONG!!! AND RACIST!) Here's just a list, off the top of my head, no wikipedia links: Women who have climbed 5.14 trad: Lynn Hill, Beth Rodden. Males who have climbed 5.14 trad: Caldwell, Honnold, Trotter, Favresse, Pringle, Segal, Macleod, Berthoud, Ouillet, Haston, Randall, Whittaker, Pou, Edl, Houlding, Kamitses, Haas, Hirayama, Pearson, Jorgenson... You are right. Neither of them count and they have secret penises. And I qualified what I said about lynn with "Now not all female climbers are Lynn Hill." But when I got into climbing that is what I saw...the possibility of what I could be as a climber. She really inspired me. And made me feel like I naturally belonged in climbing as a female. Unlike rockclimbing.com.. .the only place in the world it has ever felt like a battle to be a female climber.People will say things on the internet what they would unlikely say to your face. For instance, NA's comment about the grigri being adapted for women. This comment implies that NA believes women to be incompetent belayers. I doubt that he would openly say that to a woman's face. But thanks to the internet, we know what he really thinks, right?
Probably ruining his evil plan, but having climbed with him and knowing him personally, I'm betting his comment was 99% on the troll-with-hopes-of-derailing-the-thread side and 1% on the actual-belief-that-his-comment-is-true side.
I mean, this is RC.com and it's not like this is a new topic or anything.
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Gmburns2000 wrote: wonderwoman wrote: karmiclimber wrote: camhead wrote: karmiclimber wrote: Now, not all women are Lynn Hill....BUT...I'd say this is "elite level trad" (taken from Wiki)... In 1993, together with her partner Brooke Sandahl, she became the first person, male or female, to free climb The Nose, a famous route on El Capitan in Yosemite Valley.[2] In 1994 she upped the ante, by becoming the first to free climb the entire route in a single 24 hour period, beginning at 10:00 PM on September 19.[3] Lynn Hill's original climbing grade for the "Free Nose" was 5.13b. The Free Nose and the Free Nose in a day remained unrepeated over 10 years after Hill's first ascents - despite numerous attempts by some of the best big wall climbers in the world. *facepalm* pulling the Lynn Hill card in any discussion about numbers of women climbing is useless, and has reached levels of cliche on these websites. It is the very definition of "anecdotal evidence." (Person A: Hey guys, I've noticed that there aren't too many black climbers. Person B: OMG MIKE FREEMAN!!! YORE WRONG!!! AND RACIST!) Here's just a list, off the top of my head, no wikipedia links: Women who have climbed 5.14 trad: Lynn Hill, Beth Rodden. Males who have climbed 5.14 trad: Caldwell, Honnold, Trotter, Favresse, Pringle, Segal, Macleod, Berthoud, Ouillet, Haston, Randall, Whittaker, Pou, Edl, Houlding, Kamitses, Haas, Hirayama, Pearson, Jorgenson... You are right. Neither of them count and they have secret penises. And I qualified what I said about lynn with "Now not all female climbers are Lynn Hill." But when I got into climbing that is what I saw...the possibility of what I could be as a climber. She really inspired me. And made me feel like I naturally belonged in climbing as a female. Unlike rockclimbing.com.. .the only place in the world it has ever felt like a battle to be a female climber.People will say things on the internet what they would unlikely say to your face. For instance, NA's comment about the grigri being adapted for women. This comment implies that NA believes women to be incompetent belayers. I doubt that he would openly say that to a woman's face. But thanks to the internet, we know what he really thinks, right? Probably ruining his evil plan, but having climbed with him and knowing him personally, I'm betting his comment was 99% on the troll-with-hopes-of-derailing-the-thread side and 1% on the actual-belief-that-his-comment-is-true side. I mean, this is RC.com and it's not like this is a new topic or anything.
It's ok, sammy beat you to it a few pages back. I was pleasantly surprised to land a mod and knob veteran though. They are usually a bit more elusive.
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And.........she's gone. In reply to: Are you happy that she is gone? Did you feel the need to post this comment on a public forum? It makes one wonder if you wanted to try and help her with correct information or just push someone off the forum. Your intentions are really suspect from what I have seen here.
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I don't understand this mentality, either. I liked karmi's participation in RC.com. I don't know why folks go around slapping each other on the back when somebody leaves out of frustration.
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wonderwoman wrote: I don't understand this mentality, either. I liked karmi's participation in RC.com. I don't know why folks go around slapping each other on the back when somebody leaves out of frustration.
I agree. Obviously there's a strong case to be made for not caring what random Internet people think, but given that a person does seem to care there's no need to go out of your way to be harsh or insensitive.
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wonderwoman wrote: I don't understand this mentality, either.....I don't know why folks go around slapping each other on the back when somebody leaves out of frustration.
maybe its because most of the posters on this forum are insecure, middle-aged men who have lost their position in society and are desperately trying to regain it by being badassinternetknowitalls????
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cracklover wrote: wonderwoman wrote: I don't understand this mentality, either. I liked karmi's participation in RC.com. I don't know why folks go around slapping each other on the back when somebody leaves out of frustration. Um, you may have noticed, there's a significant group here that makes it their mission to use inside jokes, rudeness to outsiders, and other clique-y behavior to actively drive away people... for fun. I kinda thought there was silent consent around that. Not that I love it, but I've made my peace with it. G 
Well, I've never been a cool kid. I think it's pretty lame.
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cracklover wrote: wonderwoman wrote: I don't understand this mentality, either. I liked karmi's participation in RC.com. I don't know why folks go around slapping each other on the back when somebody leaves out of frustration. Um, you may have noticed, there's a significant group here that makes it their mission to use inside jokes, rudeness to outsiders, and other clique-y behavior to actively drive away people... for fun. I kinda thought there was silent consent around that. Not that I love it, but I've made my peace with it. G
I thought this thread was pretty civil. I don't see much difference between you telling her to chill out on the last page and much of what other people posted.
That said, having seen probably hundreds of people up and leave this site over the last few years, it doesn't make much of an impression on me one way or the other.
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caughtinside wrote: cracklover wrote: wonderwoman wrote: I don't understand this mentality, either. I liked karmi's participation in RC.com. I don't know why folks go around slapping each other on the back when somebody leaves out of frustration. Um, you may have noticed, there's a significant group here that makes it their mission to use inside jokes, rudeness to outsiders, and other clique-y behavior to actively drive away people... for fun. I kinda thought there was silent consent around that. Not that I love it, but I've made my peace with it. G I thought this thread was pretty civil. I don't see much difference between you telling her to chill out on the last page and much of what other people posted.
My reaction has more to do with the 'hey look everybody, we made her leave! SMILEY FACE' link that curt put up. It's like the celebration of a dysfunctional family tradition or something.
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wonderwoman wrote: caughtinside wrote: cracklover wrote: wonderwoman wrote: I don't understand this mentality, either. I liked karmi's participation in RC.com. I don't know why folks go around slapping each other on the back when somebody leaves out of frustration. Um, you may have noticed, there's a significant group here that makes it their mission to use inside jokes, rudeness to outsiders, and other clique-y behavior to actively drive away people... for fun. I kinda thought there was silent consent around that. Not that I love it, but I've made my peace with it. G I thought this thread was pretty civil. I don't see much difference between you telling her to chill out on the last page and much of what other people posted. My reaction has more to do with the 'hey look everybody, we made her leave! SMILEY FACE' link that curt put up. It's like the celebration of a dysfunctional family tradition or something.
Your post was obvious what your dissaproval was directed towards (and rightfully so). Cracklover's is kinda strange because he seems to be blaming a large number of active users on this site, most of whom didn't participate in this thread.
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wonderwoman wrote: caughtinside wrote: cracklover wrote: wonderwoman wrote: I don't understand this mentality, either. I liked karmi's participation in RC.com. I don't know why folks go around slapping each other on the back when somebody leaves out of frustration. Um, you may have noticed, there's a significant group here that makes it their mission to use inside jokes, rudeness to outsiders, and other clique-y behavior to actively drive away people... for fun. I kinda thought there was silent consent around that. Not that I love it, but I've made my peace with it. G I thought this thread was pretty civil. I don't see much difference between you telling her to chill out on the last page and much of what other people posted. My reaction has more to do with the 'hey look everybody, we made her leave! SMILEY FACE' link that curt put up. It's like the celebration of a dysfunctional family tradition or something.
yeah, well, Curt doesn't really have anything to do with what GO is bitching about.
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