Before this gets quoted all over the intardnet as fact, please prove that the climbing term "send" was derived from the word "ascend."

Jay

goddamnit angry, you're invalidating all my sends.

Pull on a draw, not a send
Take, not a send
Fall, not a send
Weight the rope or your gear, not a send
Stand on a bolt, not a send
Jug a fixed fucking line, not a send

Use your god damned hands and feet (and sometimes knees) to get up a route where the rope is only there to keep you alive, without falling, on lead, = send.

Stop being a tard.

What about discrete tension?

I believe that depends on whether anyone sees it?

All this said, I'm a firm believer in words meaning whatever their most common usage says they mean. Perhaps in the US sportos like JT have bastardised the term "send" to the point where it's purely about style, rather than the literal fact of ascending or not

I guess there remains the catch-all term "climb" !! Not that it's "cool" to just "climb" things...

Dear mister newspeak,

If you're a firm believer in what words mean, I suggest you take a writing course and learn to clarify what you're trying to say.

Words are a tool, language evolves, and the same word can have different meaning in various situations. Sport are perfect example of words evolving into new meanings. From rigging on boats, to touch-down in American foot, and luv in tennis, words are accepted but practitioners of their sports.


The key to understand language is to know what context the conversation is taking place in. Even in Academics, words have different meaning from one discipline to another. The word Volume in math doesn't mean the same thing as volume in music.

With your view of using word according to the most common use, volume in math becomes obsolete. Let's face it, volume is more commonly used to talk about how loud something is, not how much something holds.

Even in everyday speech, the same words could have a different meaning according to the topic.

The beauty of language it's it's ability to grow, evolve, and adjust. Most common, in context of rock climbing is what this thread is about. What is the most common meaning of onsight to a rock climber on this forum.

Actually, the word onsight isn't in the Webster dictionary. Nor is redpoint, and I doubt that non-climbers have ever heard the term. They may have heard the two separate words, but not the verb. Both are commonly used in numerous climbing publications worldwide. When I meet climbers from other countries, we use these words to talk about the sport we love. The jargon of our sport makes the conversation a bit easier.

You're "Down Under," so you use terms like pushy for bicycle. Bird as a slang expression for girls, and climber use crabs to clip carrots they climb routes instead of carabiners and removable hangers.(keyhole hangers)

Hangers being something that you hang cloths in the closet with if you want to know the most common use, and carrot are something you eat, not clip.

I don't buy into the most common use of a word theory. I believe that language will continue to grow and evolve. New words will be created, old world will develop new meanings. Language will expand along with knowledge.



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As long as I had fun!

And let's face it, with so many people here concerned about only being "right", how could one not?

Dude, you need to stop this.

You're wrong. The "common usage" as you say is that send = redpoint.

Got it?

No matter how many times you say it, there is no such thing as a non redpoint send. Stop trying to force it, you are the ONLY ONE who thinks this way and you are WRONG.

Pull on a draw, not a send
Take, not a send
Fall, not a send
Weight the rope or your gear, not a send
Stand on a bolt, not a send
Jug a fixed fucking line, not a send

Use your god damned hands and feet (and sometimes knees) to get up a route where the rope is only there to keep you alive, without falling, on lead, = send.

Stop being a tard.

As long as I had fun!

And let's face it, with so many people here concerned about only being "right", how could one not?

blueeyedclimber would be 'red'

Did I just get burned by an Aussie?

If you noticed it, then possibly it's one more thing I've notfuckupped.