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jaricaurte
Jan 10, 2002, 8:25 PM
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Boldering? It is a joke?
That kills the spirit of the mountaineering.
Nothing is comparable to a climbing in a big wall or a great mountain. Boldering is a sport for enthusiastic of the shows.
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fiend
Jan 10, 2002, 8:37 PM
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How elitist of you.
Who are you to define what is climbing and what is not? Just because you tried bouldering and flailed and fell off, does not mean that it is a joke.
Although I guess those with the ability to follow fixed ropes and mindlessly trudge through the snow are much less of a joke than people doing hard moves on a teeny little boulder.
I respect all forms of climbing (yeah, even aiding) and don't understand why people always have to put other aspects down.
Have you even tried bouldering? Do you climb at all? Truly pathetic.
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o0ocindyo0o
Jan 10, 2002, 8:41 PM
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Right on fiend. Personally, I think boulderings fun. It improves your strength, both mental and physical, and challenges you in completley different ways. Climbing is climbing.
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pianomahnn
Jan 10, 2002, 8:51 PM
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At first I was going to make fun of your horrible sentence structure, but realized you were from Columbia, land where Cocaine is the main export, and realized this would be shallow and pathetic, almost as pathetic as the thread you've started here.
Did I mention this thread is pathetic?
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clmbngfiend
Jan 10, 2002, 9:11 PM
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bouldering is not 'mountaineering' as jaricuarte termed it. Mountaineering and bouldering are both seperate aspects of climbing. Now if Jari meant that bouldering "kills the spirit" of climbing, now we something to disagree about. As I said, bouldering is an aspect of climbing, as is big walls. They both have their benefits and downfalls. I personally prefer multipitch climbing to bouldering but that doesn't give me the right to dis' that type of climbing. The word 'climb' is defined as "to go upward or raise oneself by grasping or clutching with ones hands" according to Webster. Based on the dictionary, bouldering is climbing and just because they don't like it or in some people's cases they have never tried it is no excuse. Climbing is climbing.
Peace
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diarmid
Jan 10, 2002, 9:11 PM
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First off, people, ease up a bit on him. Maybe he just hasn't experienced anything other than the show when it comes to bouldering. God only knows what climbing can be done over in Columbia or under what conditions it can be done. Remember, we are fortunate to have relative peace in our country, and almost unlimited climbing possibilities.
And as for you, juricaurte - bouldering is most definitely not a joke. There is a great deal of strenghth, skill, and technique in it, more so often times than mountaineering and all applicable to a high altitude environment. If nothing else, read up on a man by the name of John Gill. See if that doesn't change your mind about things.
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greatgarbanzo
Jan 10, 2002, 9:42 PM
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Oye JARICUARTE... tu eres un mero cabesōn!!!
El bųlder es la mejor manera de estar en contacto con la roca, la manera mās pura y libre, un movimiento gimnāstico casi artėstico...
tal vez esto te haga recapacitar:
"Yo pienso que el montaņismo es una boberėa... horas y horas caminando en cuatro patas a travčs de glaciares y paredes de arena para finalmente llager a un picacho que no es ni un 5.8 y no da guerra, que soy yo un escalador o un animal de carga???"
Te suena conocido?
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pianomahnn
Jan 10, 2002, 9:58 PM
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I think it would've been more funny had I said "where cocaine falls from the heavens" instead.
Hitting below the belt? Nope, I think not. I just made a comment that holds very solid ground in its implications.
By the way, this thread is still pathetic. Criticism of someone's form of climbing is low. MUCH lower than just below the belt.
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pianomahnn
Jan 10, 2002, 9:59 PM
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Also, this needs to be moved to the bouldering forum.
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natec
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Bouldering- I dig it.
There are several reasons why.
1. First and foremost, the rock climbers who are continually pushing the hardest graded routes and making the most progress happen to be some of the most prolific boulderers of today. (examples: caldwell, sharma, dave graham)
2. Boulderers are some of the most easy going and social climbers you will meet. It seems to me that they are also the least likely to scoff at someone else's preference in climbing, whether it be aid, trad, sport, trees, buildings whatever.
3. The hardest, most gymnastic, free moves ever preformed on rock have been excercised on boulders. With the V scale starting at V0 being comparible to 5.9 on the decimal scale, that puts a V14 at some astronomical number like 5.22.
4. It is one of the fastest ways to improve your climbing when you are on a rope. The variety of moves learned bouldering becomes natural when on the high ground.
5. It's the closest to free soloing that a lot of us will ever care to get. It is climbing (while on a mini level) in its purest. Just shoes, chalk and rock are all that are necessary.
I won't knock you or anyone else for disliking bouldering. I hated it at first...then I finally sent a problem. It is now the major activity in my training for climbing.
Nathan
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pianomahnn
Jan 10, 2002, 10:31 PM
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Natec, you're point #3 is off. 5.22? I don't think so. Grade Comparison Chart
5.22 would be like V40 or something.
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rockjock04
Jan 10, 2002, 10:35 PM
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One thing I cant stand is when people have an indisposable amount of wealth(money, happiness, rock...) and are not remotely grateful for it. Its like a football player going on strike because he comes within $50,000 of not being able to afford insurance for his ferrari. Take what ya got man. I would kill for TREES that had more features for me to climb on. Go spend 20 years in kansas and then tell us bouldering is a joke. I love to boulder. It is really good strength and technique training. Not to mention fun. Im with pianomahhn. You dont go disin people cause they like something. You dont see me on your back because your country's your main export is crack and you buy your equipment with dirty money. you just dont do it.
~peace out~
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wigglestick
Jan 10, 2002, 10:44 PM
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Why did we have to start with the National Origin bashing? They can't control where they are from any more than you can control being from Ohio and Illinois.
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natec
Jan 10, 2002, 11:00 PM
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Sorry Piano, I was exaggerating. Didn't take the time to look it up.
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pianomahnn
Jan 11, 2002, 12:57 AM
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Yeah, and he said bouldering sucks.
If he takes it back, I'll take back what I said. Until then, I stand on my position that everyone is Columbia is in a drug cartel and are killing my people with their satan drugs.
(If you are not able to understand sarcasm, that was just it)
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hardcoredana
Jan 11, 2002, 1:44 AM
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People can control where they live.
People can't control where they were born.
I'm talking about adults here, of course. Thirteen year olds have much less control over where they live, and I fully support this lack of control.
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kahuna3602
Jan 11, 2002, 2:20 AM
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Bouldering is fun, mountainering is fun, climbing is fun. But anyone who knows from Colombia knows it is not a place to climb. If you are foolish enough to travel into the mountains you will be kidnapped, most likely, killed, very possibly or you know someone who will protect you, very suspicious. This is a very unfortunate reality in Colombia. If you can climb in Colombia it is most likely in the more popular and protected areas, which means climbing or BOULDERING, not mountaineering. Ask someone from Colombia if they know someone who has been abducted. You're most likely to get 9 out of 10 who have.
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ximiana
Jan 11, 2002, 2:51 AM
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HEY! Bouldering is only a one of part of all that climbing is, if u dont like it, dont practice it, but is a very important practice for every climbers that give u technique, and force, i like more climbing routes of course in rock not in gym, but i take gym & boulder like a practice for increse my level.
Greetings
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rockunderfoot
Jan 11, 2002, 6:24 AM
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Bouldering allows me to climb by myself when I can't find anyone else to go with, so it rocks Plus, if you find other people bouldering it's easy to join in with them, since you can just take turns hopping on the problem, as opposed to trying to bargain out a belay swap or what not, no worries about if they know what they're doing.
PS Gill problems are wicked fun
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pollux
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so what makes a real climber? i would be willing to say that one that does it all. If you can climb a 5.13 big wall but fail on the first move of a v1 then what does that say. You don't have to do it all but respect for all aspects is required. This is like being a homerun hitter in baseball but you don't know how to throw, catch or run. is that a real baseball player? Same thing here.
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joemor
Jan 12, 2002, 2:32 AM
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JARICUARTE U SUCK
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pianomahnn
Jan 12, 2002, 5:26 AM
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Jeebus, even I put more thought into my response than you did.
Way to work the cause man.
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olvegrn
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Who in the world would think bouldering is a joke. I think that bouldering is great for building endurance, and skill with different manuvures.
Bouldering is great because you can go just about anywhere and there is bouldering area. Bouldering, also, doesn't include the high price of gear, like quickdraws or cams, or even carabiners. Shoes and a chalk bag (and maybe a crashpad) are all you need to enjoy the other side of the great rockclimbing sport.
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timhinck
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Bouldering is a joke!
But it's a fun and addicting joke. I'm hooked. There's no crime there. And hey, it puts a little of the human aspect back in climbing. You can be a climber and have friends again!!!
peace,
tim
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jcs
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Hey!
Piano- what is your deal man? Your posts are almost always filled with arrogance and pride, and rarely with anything constructive to say. Are you trying to offend people, or are you just oblivious to the way that you sound? Do you think that your arrogance is justified because you are an administrator on this site, or because you are some kind of hardman climber? Well, dude, you need to change your attitude- nobody climbs that hard, and people who do more for this site than you do somehow manage to show respect for other members. I thought for a minute that it might be your age and inexperience in dealing with other people, but there are many far younger members here that are far more respectful in their posts than you are. What is your deal?
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