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xiang49
Mar 10, 2005, 10:38 AM
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hey guys, i am wondering that is that necessary to put on sun block lotion when u climb outdoor??
I dont, but my gf insist on asking me 2 put it on. so how about u guys?
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anykineclimb
Mar 10, 2005, 11:07 AM
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sometimes, but not as a rule.
I've gotten pretty fried at times for not putting some on.
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tisar
Mar 10, 2005, 11:10 AM
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A simple yes. Neck, forearms and wades first. Main prob is to protect the backside of your hands without getting greasy fingertips. I hate getting sunburned...
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azrockclimber
Mar 10, 2005, 11:36 AM
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hell yes!! i would burn to a fricken crisp in the summer sun. 10+ hours in the sun will burn anyone that i know. especially in Ca and Az.
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I will be from now on, since I got burned yesterday after climbing in 60 degree weather for 2 hours. Especially since I'm going to be in the desert for the next week.
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nonick
Mar 10, 2005, 12:14 PM
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I use sun block on high altitude.
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gunksgoer
Mar 10, 2005, 12:16 PM
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ive never used sunblock when i climb, and its sometimes without a shirt too. ive never even gotten burnt when im climbing, but this is of course up in the NE, so its probably not comparable to places like arizona.
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far_east_climber
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Always when I am out in the open for long periods of time. I actually prefer to wrap an old t-shirt around my face/neck and secure it by wearing my helmet and tuck it into my collar. I have never liked the feeling of a piercing sun strike my face. Sure I might look like the 'Invisible Man' but fully wrapping my head not only keeps it cool, shady and protected, but allows me to skip applying that irritating lotion.
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Mar 10, 2005, 1:01 PM
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I currently climb in Spain and France, and unless you embrace skin cancer you must use sunscreen around here. As a matter of fact, I started using sunscreen since I heard this speech at my commencement some years ago:
"Ladies and gentlemen of the class of '97: Wear sunscreen.
If I could offer you only one tip for the future, sunscreen would be it. The long-term benefits of sunscreen have been proved by scientists, whereas the rest of my advice has no basis more reliable than my own meandering experience. I will dispense this advice now.
Enjoy the power and beauty of your youth. Oh, never mind. You will not understand the power and beauty of your youth until they've faded. But trust me, in 20 years, you'll look back at photos of yourself and recall in a way you can't grasp now how much possibility lay before you and how fabulous you really looked. You are not as fat as you imagine.
Don't worry about the future. Or worry, but know that worrying is as effective as trying to solve an algebra equation by chewing bubble gum. The real troubles in your life are apt to be things that never crossed your worried mind, the kind that blindside you at 4 p.m. on some idle Tuesday.
Do one thing every day that scares you.
Sing.
Don't be reckless with other people's hearts. Don't put up with people who are reckless with yours.
Floss.
Don't waste your time on jealousy. Sometimes you're ahead, sometimes you're behind. The race is long and, in the end, it's only with yourself.
Remember compliments you receive. Forget the insults. If you succeed in doing this, tell me how.
Keep your old love letters. Throw away your old bank statements.
Stretch.
Don't feel guilty if you don't know what you want to do with your life. The most interesting people I know didn't know at 22 what they wanted to do with their lives. Some of the most interesting 40-year-olds I know still don't.
Get plenty of calcium. Be kind to your knees. You'll miss them when they're gone.
Maybe you'll marry, maybe you won't. Maybe you'll have children, maybe you won't. Maybe you'll divorce at 40, maybe you'll dance the funky chicken on your 75th wedding anniversary. Whatever you do, don't congratulate yourself too much, or berate yourself either. Your choices are half chance. So are everybody else's.
Enjoy your body. Use it every way you can. Don't be afraid of it or of what other people think of it. It's the greatest instrument you'll ever own.
Dance, even if you have nowhere to do it but your living room.
Read the directions, even if you don't follow them.
Do not read beauty magazines. They will only make you feel ugly.
Get to know your parents. You never know when they'll be gone for good. Be nice to your siblings. They're your best link to your past and the people most likely to stick with you in the future.
Understand that friends come and go, but with a precious few you should hold on. Work hard to bridge the gaps in geography and lifestyle, because the older you get, the more you need the people who knew you when you were young.
Live in New York City once, but leave before it makes you hard. Live in Northern California once, but leave before it makes you soft. Travel.
Accept certain inalienable truths: Prices will rise. Politicians will philander. You, too, will get old. And when you do, you'll fantasize that when you were young, prices were reasonable, politicians were noble and children respected their elders.
Respect your elders.
Don't expect anyone else to support you. Maybe you have a trust fund. Maybe you'll have a wealthy spouse. But you never know when either one might run out.
Don't mess too much with your hair or by the time you're 40 it will look 85.
Be careful whose advice you buy, but be patient with those who supply it. Advice is a form of nostalgia. Dispensing it is a way of fishing the past from the disposal, wiping it off, painting over the ugly parts and recycling it for more than it's worth.
But trust me on the sunscreen."
:)
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Mar 10, 2005, 1:07 PM
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that would depend on the crag in question. if ill be in the sun most of the time then i use it. if not, the i dont.
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simplesoul
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what a stupid forum. not to get on anyones case or to be such a downer but COME ON people....its F-ing sunscreen use some commen sence...Its not a life or death situation here. But because we are on the topic. How many of you all get a fricken manicure after a hard days climb. I sure know i would die without mine! Lets all get outside stop cleaning our asses with silk and get our hands dirty!!!!
(sorry if I offended anyone but there has been a lack of intelligent posts on this site recently, I know this doesnt help and that I dont have room to talk because i dont have any great post ideas.....but come on people sunscrean??? i mean really! I cant be alone in all this i know there is someone eles thinking it...)
.......enjoy.
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jackhammer
Mar 10, 2005, 1:55 PM
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If needed...
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freddys27
Mar 10, 2005, 2:07 PM
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Yes. I never used to, but things have changed.
I just had a bunch of skin removed because of melanoma. I would recomend it.
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jcshaggy
Mar 10, 2005, 2:42 PM
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Come to Africa and climb a multi-pitch route without wearing sun block and see what happens.
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In reply to: what a stupid forum. not to get on anyones case or to be such a downer but COME ON people....its F-ing sunscreen use some commen sence...Its not a life or death situation here. But because we are on the topic. How many of you all get a fricken manicure after a hard days climb. I sure know i would die without mine! Lets all get outside stop cleaning our asses with silk and get our hands dirty!!!! (sorry if I offended anyone but there has been a lack of intelligent posts on this site recently, I know this doesnt help and that I dont have room to talk because i dont have any great post ideas.....but come on people sunscrean??? i mean really! I cant be alone in all this i know there is someone eles thinking it...) .......enjoy.
I disagree with you. Just possibly someone who does not use sunscreen may read this post and give it another thought and protect themselves from skin cancer. How is that stupid? Plus, I think it is a refreshing change from the typical posts about whether or not we should place bolts, chop bolts, clip bolts, chip holds, stickclip, wear helmets or bring Fido to the crag.
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I am fair skinned and older than the hills (60) so you probably shouldn't take my advice. I never wear shorts or short sleeved shirts. I wear a hat that has a big brim and flaps that hang down the sides. For the face and head it is important to have a physical barrier (big hat) as well as a chemical one (sun screen) Advice I got from a dermatologist for the proper sunscreen is at least an SPF of 30 and a sunscreen that has Parsol 1789 (the latest greatest ingredient in sunscreen) I like a Gel so I use Coppertone Sport Gel. It is waterproof, sweatproof and has "no slip grip". (Heaven knows us climbers need that). There's my advice which I've given many times but not many follow.
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Always, especially if there's snow! Once you watch someone go through skin cancer and having their skin removed pieces at a time, you'll use it religiously. How long does it take to apply a little sun screen? How much does it weigh, will it make or break your trip? Better to be safe than sorry. Plus, a bad sun burn sucks, especially if it's on your shoulders and then you wear a gear sling or pack.
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I usually don't -- my main spot is the gunks in the spring and fall. Not too glaring. Definitly anytime I'm on the snow or the water I use it... never a bad idea, though.
One special case -- if I call in sick to work to play hookie and go climbing - I DEFINITLY use it. Don't want to come back to work the next day with a fresh tan, eh?
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womble
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In reply to: In reply to: what a stupid forum. not to get on anyones case or to be such a downer but COME ON people....its F-ing sunscreen use some commen sence...Its not a life or death situation here. But because we are on the topic. How many of you all get a fricken manicure after a hard days climb. I sure know i would die without mine! Lets all get outside stop cleaning our asses with silk and get our hands dirty!!!!
.......enjoy.I disagree with you. Just possibly someone who does not use sunscreen may read this post and give it another thought and protect themselves from skin cancer. How is that stupid? Plus, I think it is a refreshing change from the typical posts about whether or not we should place bolts, chop bolts, clip bolts, chip holds, stickclip, wear helmets or bring Fido to the crag.
I agree with simplesoul. This is possibly the most hairbrained topic I have ever read on a climbing forum.
The original poster is from Malaysia, which is on the equator. ie. incredibly intense sunshine all year around. If he's old enough to have a girlfriend, he should have enough common sense to know if he needs sunscreen or not. In fact, it's such a dumb question that I suspect it's a troll.
In any case, the answer is variable. Depends on location and time of year.
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Guess it is up to you what you want to do regarding sun block. . . but why would you want skin cancer?
I have seen too many of my friends both young and old have to deal with it . . . not something I want to have to handle!
don't get me wrong - I do NOT always wear it :oops: . . in fact most of the time I forget! but once my lips start getting dry I remember and hope there is some around!!
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Mar 10, 2005, 5:19 PM
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It high altitude I reapply it every couple of hours. But kickin' at the crags, I normally forget or don't bother. It's always a good idea though.
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In reply to: ...its F-ing sunscreen use some commen sence...Its not a life or death situation here. .
and skin cancer is a myth?
I don't know about anyone else, montaniero, but i enjoyed your post. I would have rated it highly if i could vote today.
Josh
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put it on - your girlfriend knows it'll save you from not only skin cancer but premature wrinkles, etc. probably makes you nice and soft too.
better yet have her put it on, then your fingers won't get too softened and tear easily.
I wear it when I remember, and know I always should. I got a slight burn two weeks ago on an overcast weekend in Arkansas. Not good as skin cancer runs in my family.
do it!
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It depends how long your out there I would say. I worked for a paving company for over six months and we always were in the sun, it gave me a kewl tan. I would say put lotion on and ask your girl if she wants you to rub some on her. It would be nice and it should make her smile. It's a classic beach trick. Romance is the key. 8^) Besides cancer rates have been shooting up these days.
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Mar 10, 2005, 8:48 PM
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In reply to: Come to Africa and climb a multi-pitch route without wearing sun block and see what happens.
ditto here in New Zealand! We dont actually have all that many multi-pitch, but an afternoon of bouldering under a giant hole in the ozone layer will DEFINITELY lead to some pretty serious burnage. That having been said, the rest of my climbing career has been spent in the NE of the states and northern Germany, and I didn't generally bother with sun block in either of those places (unless it was early summer and my skin was still crazy white from the winter). Not saying it was smart though.....
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Nice post montaniero. It went a little off topic, but I enjoyed it...true. Don't be a dumbass...use sunscreen! Melanoma, skin cancer, shingles, etc. I am originally from Alabama and a few of the older folks in my family can hardly be in the sun anymore...AT ALL, because they did not properly protect themselves in younger years. I'm in AK now and in the summer, even on cool sunny days, I go SPF 40...
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Not wearing sunblock is like sending an invitation to Melanoma. I wear it EVERYDAY on my face and on my arms/neck/whatever if I'm going to be outside for more than an hour. Wearing sunblock on your face everyday will also prevent wrinkles! I recommend Cetaphil 15spf face lotion.
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Like I said dont be stupid! we all know how to put on sunscreen so when you feel it is needed put it on....do we really need to ask the masses what they think?? I think we will all agree skin cancer is a bitch and a very real threat. So use some commen sence...come on people....
enjoy....
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I agree with the sunblock, where if you need it depends on the crag and the weather. One funny bit about that. Last year I was out with a bunch of kids for their first time. Spent most of my day in flip-flips supervising the ground antics. I needed sunscreen on my feet. Then on one route the kids wanted a demo from me. When I got done the sunscreen had attacked the dye in my shoes. Both feet died bright red for a couple days 8^) 8^)
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Wear it if you burn, and i'd say wear it if you dont, but thats just my advice. I also really liked Montaniero's post, pretty insightfull.
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If you are pasty like me, you always wear your lotion!
Eric
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If your skin is too white or very sensitive YOU SHOULD use , if you are going to expose long time.
I always carry a sun block , but i hate t put it when im climbing cos i get slippy my hands , i like the sun like lizard that is why im very burned but i think it may bring consequence later
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Mar 12, 2005, 5:24 AM
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Resident hardmen don't wear no lotion, punk. hehehe
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Being of Scandanavian descent I have a glowing complexion, usually bright red unless I use sunscreen. :oops:
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only on my ink
but at the rate I"m going right now, I'm going to be putting sunscreen on the majority of my body in a few years
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i've never rocked the sunscreen - but recently (like 2 friggin days ago) got BAD SUNBURN on my face and arms while climbing on Mt. Whitney... so depending on the situation, I'd say rock the sunscreen and refrain from looking like Freddie Kruger or Freakshow (from Harold and Kumar, anyone? anyone?)
Dude, did Doogie Howser just steal my fuckin car?
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Sunblock is always a good thing. This past summer I was climbing Downs Mountain in the Winds...loaded up with sunscreen in the morning...hiked across snow and glaciers all day covering my face about midday. I woke up the next morning with second degree burns over 95% of my face. My mouth was so swollen I could not open it large enough to eat. Probably the most miserable I have ever felt. I thought I had enough Sunscreen on but apparently I was mistaken. If you are debating as to whether or not to go with sunblock. Don't bother risking getting burned like I did. I realize that mine was a pretty extreme condition but avoid it at all costs!!
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i didnt today and paid the price. at the crag by 7, shirt off by 9. HEINOUS 10a offwith squeeze chimney by 3. you do the math.
sunscreen from now on. killer route none the less.
if you worried about greasy hands use kinesis (providing your rich and 12 clams a bottle) its a spray on deal with no rubbing or touching needed. good stuff but i got a screamin deal on one bottle and will probably never buy it at retail.
later
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only when i go shirtless or when i'm wearing shorts (cus thats when my tattoos are exposed)
sun causes tats to fade......other than that, i could always use a tan for my white ass
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In this day and age, it is ridiculous not to. Even if you aren't concerned with aging well, it's a proven fact that you're asking for cancer if you don't protect yourself.
The pro will save you today, sunblock may save you tomorrow.
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Greasy hands are easier to fix than skin cancer. Cancer is a scary disease, stack the odds in you favor. 1 out of 3 people get cancer these days. Do what you can to prevent it.
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