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kimgraves
Nov 11, 2005, 1:14 AM
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Hi Gang,
THIS FILM, that follows every pitch of Mescalito on El Cap, is a lot of fun and worth getting. Unfortunately, I've only seen the first of the 2 DVD set. The second was damaged in transit. It's amazing to see all that work!!! Jug, jug, jug, jug, jug, jug, jug. Beautiful geometry of the stone. I could recognize the features I was seeing as I following along on my Chris Mac topo. This is very much a "home video." But in a lot of ways its more interesting than the other "professional" films I've seen. For one thing, it's the only one that really depicts the scale, the immense scale of El Cap. It shows how steep and unbroken it is. It shows the exposure. My first reaction is one of terror!
Cameo appearance by PTPP. Dr. Piton is on the North American Wall I'm guessing at Calaveras ledge (assuming I'm reading my topo correctly).
Highly recommended.
Best, Kim
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holdplease2
Nov 14, 2005, 3:37 AM
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WTF!?!
I never gave anyone permission to put me in a DVD, especially not one they are going to sell!
I have not seen the photos/footage, whatever it is.
Kim - I am having trouble getting your link to work...could you please post up a web address or contact information for the people who made this video?
I don't think its right to use photos of a person without their permission in something like this...
-Kate.
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atpeaceinbozeman
Nov 14, 2005, 3:42 AM
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In reply to: WTF!?! I never gave anyone permission to put me in a DVD, especially not one they are going to sell! I have not seen the photos/footage, whatever it is. Kim - I am having trouble getting your link to work...could you please post up a web address or contact information for the people who made this video? I don't think its right to use photos of a person without their permission in something like this... -Kate.
It doesn't look like this is a money making venture....pasted from link:
In reply to: movie on DVD of the big-wall route Mescalito on El Capitan (late September 2005) now available. Mescalito is the Grand of the trad routes, the DVD covers all pitches, rocky and driving music. a must for every big-wall enthusiast or those who are going to be DVD is private and free ($6 for media and shipping) contact via email: h.wurzer@web.de javascript:emoticon('') |
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pk
Nov 14, 2005, 4:00 AM
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In reply to: In reply to: WTF!?! I never gave anyone permission to put me in a DVD, especially not one they are going to sell! I have not seen the photos/footage, whatever it is. Kim - I am having trouble getting your link to work...could you please post up a web address or contact information for the people who made this video? I don't think its right to use photos of a person without their permission in something like this... -Kate. It doesn't look like this is a money making venture....pasted from link: In reply to: movie on DVD of the big-wall route Mescalito on El Capitan (late September 2005) now available. Mescalito is the Grand of the trad routes, the DVD covers all pitches, rocky and driving music. a must for every big-wall enthusiast or those who are going to be DVD is private and free ($6 for media and shipping) contact via email: h.wurzer@web.de javascript:emoticon('')
It might not be a money making venture, but it's not right to put someone on a dvd without first asking them "hey, would you mind if I posted your mug on a dvd and send it to a whole bunch of people"
IMHO it would been nice to ask Kate and Pete if it was ok. It's not like they are hard to get ahold of.
P.K.
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atpeaceinbozeman
Nov 14, 2005, 4:05 AM
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In reply to: It might not be a money making venture, but it's not right to put someone on a dvd without first asking them "hey, would you mind if I posted your mug on a dvd and send it to a whole bunch of people" IMHO it would been nice to ask Kate and Pete if it was ok. It's not like they are hard to get ahold of. P.K.
No doubt on that, just passing along info...
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holdplease2
Nov 14, 2005, 4:35 AM
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I just realized that this is Heinz W, or Henry, a German dude who spends his summers in Yosemite.
I had trouble with this guy showing up at the base of Mescalito, and looking through my stuff when he didin't realize that I was watching him from the trees at the base. In fact, he showed up at the base twice when I was trying to solo a route last year. I had to ask him to leave, as he mocked me during the start of the climb and was creeping me out.
I am not happy about this and do not support his distribution of photos of me to a broad audiance without my permission!!!!
I saw him in C4 and spoke to him after his climb of Mescalito, and he never mentioned that he hand filmed or photographed me!!!! His partner also has my contact information. His party did take pictures while on route but never mentioned that they were for any specific thing.
He has my email contact information through RC.com and has contacted me in the past. He NEVER contacted me regarding using me in this project!
This person does NOT have my permission to distribute pictures of me!
I have contacted him via PM and Email asking to be removed from the DVD. I don't mean to be a jerk, but a guy who makes me uncomfortable is distributing pictures of me without my permission!
-Kate.
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holdplease2
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I just realized that this is Heinz W, a German dude who spends his summers in Yosemite. He is Heinz 57 on RC. COM!
I had trouble with this guy showing up at the base of Mescalito, and looking over my stuff when he didin't realize that I was watching him from the trees at the base last year.
Additionally, he took the opportunity to insult me on several occasions, and in fact showed up at the base on two occasions when I was trying to solo a route last year. I asked him to leave, of course.
I am not happy about this and do not support his distribution of photos of me to a broad audiance without my permission!!!!
I saw him in C4 after his climb of Mescalito, and he never mentioned that he hand filmed or photographed me.
He has my email contact information through RC.com and has contacted me in the past. It would not have been hard to ask for permission!!!
He DOES NOT have my permission to distribute pictures of me!!!
-Kate.
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holdplease2
Nov 14, 2005, 6:47 PM
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To All:
This "Gentleman" will not edit his DVD and has no concern over secretly using video of another climber to further his efforts, stating that it is "not illegal".
Henry, there are many things that are "not illegal" which you would find incredibly unpleasant. Thats where decency and consideration come in!
Out of respect for one another in this community where we enjoy our sport out of doors, most have the decency to ask to use such material when we have CLEAR OPPORTUNITY to do so.
Henry, please stay away from me in Yosemite next year!
-Kate.
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j_ung
Nov 16, 2005, 10:31 PM
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FYI: I've moved the other thread, in which the producer advertises availability of the video, into Mods and Eds for discussion. Hienz, I'll be sure that somebody keeps you posted on what's up.
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holdplease2
Nov 17, 2005, 12:55 AM
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Hey Guys:
I am a psychopath...and got a little overly sensitive, I think.
I still don't want to be in this, but I went a little nuts. I'm just pretty private and was shocked, I guess. I am not erasing my comments because that would be weak and lame, I guess.
Sorry to be such a freak.
-Kate.
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vivalargo
Nov 17, 2005, 1:17 AM
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You can't CONTROL how your image will be used when you're climbing in the PUBLIC DOMAIN--i.e., on El Capitan. In a court of law, filming you on a wall is not considered an invasion of privacy and you'd be hard pressed to require the Rude Kraut to ask for your permission. The Rude Kraut would incur too much expense to simply edit you out of what likely is just a garage production anyhow.
Perhaps there's a golden lining: You have--or can get--actual footage of yourself on a wall, something that might be valuble in 20 years, at least to you. I did a stack of wallls and because I rarely if ever brought a camera (didn't own one), I only have a few shots.
Much as we try we can't always do things strictly on our own terms. Not a pleasnat thought, but true nevertheless.
JL
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guangzhou
Nov 17, 2005, 1:24 AM
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Public people in public places, unless you are usng their photo/footage to advertize something, your fine without asking permission.
Get over it
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Nov 17, 2005, 1:30 AM
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In reply to: Hey Guys: I am a psychopath...and got a little overly sensitive, I think. I still don't want to be in this, but I went a little nuts. I'm just pretty private and was shocked, I guess. I am not erasing my comments because that would be weak and lame, I guess. Sorry to be such a freak. -Kate.
Kate - don't apologize, although it may not be illegal, it's still good manners to at least mention that he would be producing a DVD with your image for distribution. It's too bad that you get bad vibes from him, otherwise you may have been happy to show up on something like that. As vivalargo said, it may be your only cameo on an el cap production!
If he is rude, as you say, I'll stay away from this purchase......unless convinced otherwise.
Clint.
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guangzhou
Nov 17, 2005, 7:43 AM
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I agree, he didn't do anything illegal and I think you are over reacting, so I won't be buying his product. I will also forward this thread to all climbers on my Email book.
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Nov 17, 2005, 7:53 AM
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In reply to: Public people in public places, unless you are usng their photo/footage to advertize something, your fine without asking permission. Get over it
Just to clear that up.
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Nov 18, 2005, 2:30 PM
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holdplease2
Nov 18, 2005, 7:08 PM
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OH! I didn't figure that out. Reading comprehension problems and I do this from my blackberry, so the email must have been truncated.
Thank you for your help with this, Kim.
This proves that Henry can be a good guy and help people feel comfortable, even when not legally required to do so. Thank you, Henry.
I know those guys were having fun on that climb, as I was in communication with them the whole time. And that's the whole point, as I recall.
Kim, did they have video of the storms? That would be rad.
:)
-Kate.
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findingit
Nov 18, 2005, 7:29 PM
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so is this guy a nice guy or what? one minute he's gettin trashed next minute he's cool.....
I will get the video and see for myself. Sorted.
happy friday.
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Nov 18, 2005, 7:35 PM
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Well, everyone has different opinions on people, and it isn't for me to judge whether or not he's a good guy beyond this instance.
However, in this instance, he proved he could compromise, which I appreciate. (Which is more than I can say for me, actually) He's probably not one of my favorite folks, and I'm Certainly not one of his, but that shouldn't mean much to anyone else, really.
We'll probably have to schedlue a nice Cat Fight in C4 next September...I'm free Sept 4 thru Sept 7th...the video will be for sale on my website...just kidding!
-Kate.
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Nov 18, 2005, 8:07 PM
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Nov 18, 2005, 8:23 PM
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At this point, Kim, if you would like to "teach" me more and stay involved in this situation for much longer, why not just email me? Lets get this thread over and done with.
-Kate.
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Nov 18, 2005, 9:08 PM
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In reply to: Well, everyone has different opinions on people . . . -Kate.
Our opinions about ourself are probably the most important--and likely to be the most limiting. "Private" and "public" are just self-images, and when we move outside of our own self-labels it's uncomfortable but exciting if we can steer clear of the knee-jerk reaction to place some faux objectivity on our self image ("I really am like this") or stack virtue on top of a certain choosen style, private, public, or whatever. Those are just psychological games to make sure we never stray far from our self image, mistaken as we are that this is who we are.
For insatnce, I tend to be loud, over the top energy and so forth. It's great for me to practice being invisible in a crowd, never calling attention to myself. For a "private" person, leaping out of the shadows with a "hear-me-roar" tude can be a remarkable experience. A lot of our bullshit jumps out when we move outside our self images. Probably the biggest bullshit part is the sub-personality that says you're faking it when you're not toeing the line with your self image. In fact you're simply testing yur dynamic range.
Now, where can I buy the video with Kate in it?
JL
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In reply to: A lot of our s--- jumps out when we move outside our self images. Probably the biggest s--- part is the sub-personality that says you're faking it when you're not toeing the line with your self image. In fact you're simply testing yur dynamic range. JL |
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well dudes ....
nice to see all the emotionally involved people out there talking and contributing to this matter.
So here is my point of view to all this:
1) it is to differentiate between a personal wish and a enforcable regulation
2) what Kate wanted is legally regarded as a wish
3) the truth is: Kate was on New Dawn going for Tribal Rite !
4) this truth will never go away even if the publisher of the truth is killed
5) free press is one of the highest goods in US, protected by the constitution
6) privacy is not given in public - no person need to be asked for beeing recorded
7) the video is a documentation of a climb
8) the video is NOT business at all (only refund for shipping was asked for)
have a close look at every single word used on the post !
9) the video has been announced as AVAILABLE
10) no thing and/or no person on this vidoe shows any signs of commerce
11) if the objections of all the commentators could be enforced, any politician or any other person of public interest could avoid any documentary pictures or reports about himself when not wanted (a lot love to apply this right when it does not fit them)
12) I did not give in - I still stick to press freedom and to the TRUTH !
13) I re-edited the video in order to fit on 1 dvd - so I took away those scenes of Kate which are of secondary importance to the documentation
14) the sole purpose of the video was to present the climbing community what is bigwalling about in motion pictures and for bigwallers to re-experience or re-live their past deeds
15) I feel not doing wrong and if someone out there is free of any defect and has already gained perfection (universal wisdom, compassion, immortality etc. ) so he might throw the first stone ....
16) possible conclusion: the present evolutionary state of the US shows arrogance, selfishness and very efficient materialism with strong tendencies to brutality and revenge - and they love their many dogmas ..
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In reply to: possible conclusion: the present evolutionary state of the US shows arrogance, selfishness and very efficient materialism with strong tendencies to brutality and revenge - and they love their many dogmas ..
Now I can see what you were talking about, Kate. I give it twenty minutes before this thread picks up steam . . .
JL
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