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Let me start off by saying all in all I really hate George W. and his administration. Im even a member of the Democrat club on campus. He is not the most popular president for many reasons; His war, his lack of care for the environment, wiretapping, Harriet Meyer, ports deal, Katrina, etc...... hes done alot of shitty thing. Period.

Hating everything a president does b/c some of the things he has done or what party he is in seems to be close minded. Even if he did do something that made everyone happy and was not corrput. alot of the liberal types would hate him and rag on him for it. Its the same as when conservatives of all types disapproved of anything Clinton did.

So from the left leaning climber opinion.... what has Dubya done that you actually like or support?

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....gotten rid of Dan Rather?


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Got rid of the Marriage Tax.


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I think he has reminded us of how much more careful we should be when voting for an elected official - especially when it involves a presidential election.


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Well, there was that time that he...no that was someone else.

Oh, I recall that in 2004 he went to...no that was the other guy.

Didn't he one time try and...no he didn't do that either.

I got it, he taught all the slacker, trust fund babies in this world that you can take drugs, dogde responsibility and if you know the right people, are willing fuck over an entire planet of people and don't give a shit about looking stupid while you do it, then anyone can become the most powerful person on the planet. They probably already knew that though.


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IF people really stick to only posting the good that W has done, this may be a very short thread.

For me, the best thing W has done, is that he has narrowly kept us out of nuclear war with illegal aliens.



From another planet, not the ones from mexico.

Anybody could keep us out of nuclear war with them.


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I tried coming back to this thread after some thought but I really can't think of a single good thing bush did.


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Um....?

I got nothing, sorry.

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he has invented many new words to the english language


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He's done severe damage to the Republican party, so America stands a better chance of getting our act together and catching up to the more advanced nations on this planet.

He's totally botched the Iraq war, so the evil and self-defeating doctrine of pre-emptive war will likely not prevail.


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Yeah he definetly exposed the conservative movement (notice I did'nt say rebulicans) for the straw man it was. That is a good thing

To bad every child born from today til 2025 is born 35,000$ dollars in the hole. I paid my cell bill with my tax refund last year.


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Doesn't apply to most here, but he has approved funding to fix/replace housing for military families that live on bases. The housing hasn't been revamped since WW2 so it was/is in really rough shape. Approved funding for better pay for off post housing so a family can afford to live somewhere other than a studio appartment of trailer in the ghetto. Generally gave a lot of folks in the military a Commander in Chief that lives by the same rules that is required of us. I was not a Clinton hater like some republicans, but as a commander in chief, he didn't have a very good following from the military.

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mmh you really belong in boulder! Interesting question and the current administration has made a lot of bad decisions. But off the top of your head can you answer me about something good that any of the past 5 Presidents have done or even 10? The older people in this thread might have a better shot.


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Since when is Bush a conservative. He can call himself what he wants but most conservatives dont consider him one.

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Not to hijack your thread although that is apparently been done already but those who say he has done nothing good answer the following question:

What good did Clinton do?

This is not a loaded question. I just think we as Americans like to focus on all the fucked up facets of our lives.


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He answered the question: what would another christian crusade into the middle east be like?


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He answered the question: what would another christian crusade into the middle east be like?


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Not to hijack your thread although that is apparently been done already but those who say he has done nothing good answer the following question:

What good did Clinton do?

Well, for one thing, Clinton took the deficits run in GHWB's administration and turned things around so that we were running budget surplusses by the end of his second term.

Plus, he taught us all (in hindsight) that a blowjob here or there is really pretty insignificant in the big scheme of things.

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He did get Libya to rid itself of its WMD program... wait, that might not be the whole story. Anyway, I would be hard pressed to think of something, but I've argued before that some of that is built into the system. To steal and paraphrase a bit from a movie I like, it is government based on compromise, and therefore we are always compromised. It is a system of government that insures that no one is happy (not totally true, but for arguments sake).


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His actions will ultimately result in a revival of political spirit in this country, i.e. wake up the voting public (perhaps more than 1/3 of the pop. will vote in future elections?!?!).

I really can't think of anything he's directly had his hands in that was improved in any way. I guess he made rich people richer in a lot of cases, which is good for rich people (but not 99% of the population).


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I was pretty impressed when he said the following:

In reply to:
Matt Lauer: “You said to me a second ago, one of the things you'll lay out in your vision for the next four years is how to go about winning the war on terror. That phrase strikes me a little bit. Do you really think we can win this war on terror in the next four years?”

President Bush: “I have never said we can win it in four years.”

Lauer: “So I’m just saying can we win it? Do you see that?”

Bush: “I don't think you can win it. But I think you can create conditions so that those who use terror as a tool are less acceptable in parts of the world."

Of course, after the interview went public he backtracked to asserting that we can actually win the war on terror, as if we can stop a tactic that's probably as old as politics.


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he has invented many new words to the english language

Anne...classic!


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Since becoming President of the United States in 2001, President Bush has worked with the Congress to create an ownership society and build a future of security, prosperity, and opportunity for all Americans. He signed into law tax relief that helps workers keep more of their hard-earned money, as well as the most comprehensive education reforms in a generation, the No Child Left Behind Act of 2001. This legislation is ushering in a new era of accountability, flexibility, local control, and more choices for parents, affirming our Nation’s fundamental belief in the promise of every child. President Bush has also worked to improve healthcare and modernize Medicare, providing the first-ever prescription drug benefit for seniors; increase homeownership, especially among minorities; conserve our environment; and increase military strength, pay, and benefits. Because President Bush believes the strength of America lies in the hearts and souls of our citizens, he has supported programs that encourage individuals to help their neighbors in need.

On the morning of September 11, 2001, terrorists attacked our Nation. Since then, President Bush has taken unprecedented steps to protect our homeland and create a world free from terror. He is grateful for the service and sacrifice of our brave men and women in uniform and their families. The President is confident that by helping build free and prosperous societies, our Nation and our friends and allies will succeed in making America more secure and the world more peaceful.


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Amen....


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Since becoming President of the United States in 2001, President Bush has worked with the Congress to create an ownership society and build a future of security, prosperity, and opportunity for all Americans. He signed into law tax relief that helps workers keep more of their hard-earned money, as well as the most comprehensive education reforms in a generation, the No Child Left Behind Act of 2001. This legislation is ushering in a new era of accountability, flexibility, local control, and more choices for parents, affirming our Nation’s fundamental belief in the promise of every child. President Bush has also worked to improve healthcare and modernize Medicare, providing the first-ever prescription drug benefit for seniors; increase homeownership, especially among minorities; conserve our environment; and increase military strength, pay, and benefits. Because President Bush believes the strength of America lies in the hearts and souls of our citizens, he has supported programs that encourage individuals to help their neighbors in need.

On the morning of September 11, 2001, terrorists attacked our Nation. Since then, President Bush has taken unprecedented steps to protect our homeland and create a world free from terror. He is grateful for the service and sacrifice of our brave men and women in uniform and their families. The President is confident that by helping build free and prosperous societies, our Nation and our friends and allies will succeed in making America more secure and the world more peaceful.

Heh, couldn't come up with anything on your own, eh?
http://www.whitehouse.gov/president/gwbbio.html

I couldn't either, though I swear at some point there were a few things he had done that I agreed with...as for Clinton, I think he got lucky and didn't have to do anything spectacular to be remembered well. We were at peace and in the middle of a huge economic boom, all he needed to do was stay out of the way and let things ride.


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http://www.orlyowls.com/.../images/orlybush.jpg


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Since becoming President of the United States in 2001, President Bush has worked with the Congress to create an ownership society and build a future of security, prosperity, and opportunity for all Americans. He signed into law tax relief that helps workers keep more of their hard-earned money, as well as the most comprehensive education reforms in a generation, the No Child Left Behind Act of 2001. This legislation is ushering in a new era of accountability, flexibility, local control, and more choices for parents, affirming our Nation’s fundamental belief in the promise of every child. President Bush has also worked to improve healthcare and modernize Medicare, providing the first-ever prescription drug benefit for seniors; increase homeownership, especially among minorities; conserve our environment; and increase military strength, pay, and benefits. Because President Bush believes the strength of America lies in the hearts and souls of our citizens, he has supported programs that encourage individuals to help their neighbors in need.

On the morning of September 11, 2001, terrorists attacked our Nation. Since then, President Bush has taken unprecedented steps to protect our homeland and create a world free from terror. He is grateful for the service and sacrifice of our brave men and women in uniform and their families. The President is confident that by helping build free and prosperous societies, our Nation and our friends and allies will succeed in making America more secure and the world more peaceful.

Heh, couldn't come up with anything on your own, eh?http://www.whitehouse.gov/president/gwbbio.html

I couldn't either, though I swear at some point there were a few things he had done that I agreed with...as for Clinton, I think he got lucky and didn't have to do anything spectacular to be remembered well. We were at peace and in the middle of a huge economic boom, all he needed to do was stay out of the way and let things ride.

Its kind of like in fifth grade when you had to write a report on a famous person and you just plagiarized the encyclopedia. I liked the World Book Encyclopedia myself.


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Since becoming President of the United States in 2001, President Bush has worked with the Congress to create an ownership society and build a future of security, prosperity, and opportunity for all Americans. He signed into law tax relief that helps workers keep more of their hard-earned money, as well as the most comprehensive education reforms in a generation, the No Child Left Behind Act of 2001. This legislation is ushering in a new era of accountability, flexibility, local control, and more choices for parents, affirming our Nation’s fundamental belief in the promise of every child. President Bush has also worked to improve healthcare and modernize Medicare, providing the first-ever prescription drug benefit for seniors; increase homeownership, especially among minorities; conserve our environment; and increase military strength, pay, and benefits. Because President Bush believes the strength of America lies in the hearts and souls of our citizens, he has supported programs that encourage individuals to help their neighbors in need.

On the morning of September 11, 2001, terrorists attacked our Nation. Since then, President Bush has taken unprecedented steps to protect our homeland and create a world free from terror. He is grateful for the service and sacrifice of our brave men and women in uniform and their families. The President is confident that by helping build free and prosperous societies, our Nation and our friends and allies will succeed in making America more secure and the world more peaceful.

Heh, couldn't come up with anything on your own, eh?
http://www.whitehouse.gov/president/gwbbio.html

I couldn't either, though I swear at some point there were a few things he had done that I agreed with...as for Clinton, I think he got lucky and didn't have to do anything spectacular to be remembered well. We were at peace and in the middle of a huge economic boom, all he needed to do was stay out of the way and let things ride.

wow thorne, you have just lost complete credibility with respect to intellectual honesty. I wonder what you're feeling right now.

:lol: :lol: :lol:


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Heh, couldn't come up with anything on your own, eh?
http://www.whitehouse.gov/president/gwbbio.html
Not really. :oops:

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as for Clinton, I think he got lucky and didn't have to do anything spectacular to be remembered well. We were at peace and in the middle of a huge economic boom, all he needed to do was stay out of the way and let things ride.
Clinton was fortunate to inherit a amazing bull market. Wisely, he didn't do anything to muck it up.


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Since becoming President of the United States in 2001, President Bush has worked with the Congress to create an ownership society and build a future of security, prosperity, and opportunity for all Americans. He signed into law tax relief that helps workers keep more of their hard-earned money, as well as the most comprehensive education reforms in a generation, the No Child Left Behind Act of 2001. This legislation is ushering in a new era of accountability, flexibility, local control, and more choices for parents, affirming our Nation’s fundamental belief in the promise of every child. President Bush has also worked to improve healthcare and modernize Medicare, providing the first-ever prescription drug benefit for seniors; increase homeownership, especially among minorities; conserve our environment; and increase military strength, pay, and benefits. Because President Bush believes the strength of America lies in the hearts and souls of our citizens, he has supported programs that encourage individuals to help their neighbors in need.

On the morning of September 11, 2001, terrorists attacked our Nation. Since then, President Bush has taken unprecedented steps to protect our homeland and create a world free from terror. He is grateful for the service and sacrifice of our brave men and women in uniform and their families. The President is confident that by helping build free and prosperous societies, our Nation and our friends and allies will succeed in making America more secure and the world more peaceful.

Heh, couldn't come up with anything on your own, eh?
http://www.whitehouse.gov/president/gwbbio.html

I couldn't either, though I swear at some point there were a few things he had done that I agreed with...as for Clinton, I think he got lucky and didn't have to do anything spectacular to be remembered well. We were at peace and in the middle of a huge economic boom, all he needed to do was stay out of the way and let things ride.

wow thorne, you have just lost complete credibility with respect to intellectual honesty. I wonder what you're feeling right now.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

As if he ever had any. I told you that he was probably a GOP plant. Who else would go out of his way to pull a stunt like that?. I would almost bet that every large website, that entertains political discussions, is being infiltrated by these people. Phil, call in the SpyBusters. :D


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As if he ever had any. I told you that he was probably a GOP plant. Who else would go out of his way to pull a stunt like that?. I would almost bet that every large website, that entertains political discussions, is being infiltrated with these people. Phil, call in the SpyBusters. Very Happy


I started a thread about Bumblie (Thorne) being Karl Rove separated-at-birth- brother. I think I was right.


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I'm reluctant to post here,there seems a pretty strong liberal bias,and you all love to bash we conservatives so. So, I will ask,most respectfully,that you ask yourselves,what would the president of your choosing have done in the difficult situations that President Bush has faced? Do any of you feel that Gore would have had a significantly better plan for dealing with terrorism? Personally,I think,he might have apologized to the Muslim world,that seemed what he was best at.He had people telling him what clothes to wear for crying out loud.Say what you will, it's been five years since 9/11 and our homeland has remained thankfully safe.Bush said he wanted to engage the enemy on their turf,and we are.

So Kerry is elected and there is a huge hurricane coming,do you believe that he could in some way have evacuated the city of New Orleans?Do you believe there would be no cronyism in his administration? Would he have gone down there and put his finger in the dike? Personally I believe dealing with the hurricane was the responsibility of the State of Louisiana,that the dikes and levees were a bad idea from the start,and rebuilding a worse one.

Curt,you are a way smarter guy than I, everybody likes a BJ, even we conservatives,but is it fair to overlook perjury?The truth is that Clinton had a lifelong history of manipulating women for sex.Paula Jones was not the only person he offered jobs to in exchange for sex,you may argue that's not proven,I'll agree.Personally I would not have cared a whit if he was doing Monica or some other girl,that's pretty standard fare for the White House,Kennedy was a sex machine.At least he had the sack to actually have intercourse,and I don't think he was strongarming women for it.That's the part that bothered me,the conservative.That and the"depends on what your definition of 'is' is".

Tough situations come up all the time in the modern world,the days of black and white answers are,sadly,gone.Many people object to the war in Iraq,I respect your opinions,can you respect mine,or at least give creedence to the idea that Saddam was in blatant disregard of the terms of surrender?I never expected to get out of Iraq in short order,we still have a significant presence in Korea and until recently in Germany.We are fighting an enemy that fades into the populace,as in Vietnam.It won't be easy,if we are lucky we will provide a model of democracy for the Middle East,I have read articles in Time that hint we may have had some success with that,time will tell.

I don't think President Bush is a brilliant guy.Jimmy Carter is a brilliant guy and was one of the worst presidents I can recall. Johnson was a democrat,but he had vision,and my heart aches every time I see those images of him with his head in his hands during the Vietnam war,no easy answer there either.

So bash away,I guess it makes you feel better.I recall how desperate I felt under Clinton,Waco,Ruby Ridge,leaving Somalia with our tail between our legs. I'm sure some of you feel that way now,and I wish it wasn't so.

Tomcat


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busted again

come on, anyone that read through thorne's first sentence shoulda known he was not giving credit to the "original" author

not to bust yer balls any further, thorne, or those that where actually that naive

question: was it strategery? (


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So at the risk of getting back on topic, I was on my way home from school just now and spent the trip trying to think of when it was that I supported Bush, and I finally came up with it. I thought that after 9/11 and up to and including Afghanistan he did a good job. Everyone was scared, and I thought he was concerned and trying to do something about it. You can look at the pictures of him before 9/11 and 6 months after to see how much it aged him. I didn't like the Patriot Act at the time, but since it was going to expire, I didn't really care too much. Of course I should have known better on that one...

He didn't lose me until the buildup to Iraq. It became clear that no matter what the U.N. did or how cooperative Iraq became, Bush was going in there, even if he had to make shit up to get people behind him. At this point, I just don't trust him.


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I am shocked, SHOCKED, I tell you, that thorne would copy and paste uncited material in this forum! He has never done this before, and I trust he will not again.

Oh, and I hate to say this, but my rich grandparents are in the process of figuring out their will right now. Bush's recent abolition of inheritance taxes will work out rather well for my family. So I say fuck the homosexual welfare state, give me more money, and get out of my ownership society's way!!!!


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This isn't a personal attack on thorne or anything but I think that t--- is what you would describe as the typical republican. I mean, they use all sorts of conniving, rat tactics to get their propaganda across even if it means lying, stealing, cheating and all sorts of sordid things. :boring:

to stay back on topic, when you evaluate this or that president, a lot of people make the mistake of evaluating based on this or that particular action. Each action is controversial now that the propaganda machine influences or thoughts. My point is that what we should focus on instead is the "moral character" of republicans and, well, as t--- shows us perfectly, they are supreme lying, stealing, dirty scumbags willing to compromise all morals just to get their scumbag interests across.

this is so not a troll :D


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I'm reluctant to post here,there seems a pretty strong liberal bias,and you all love to bash we conservatives so.
I'm not a liberal, I'm a leftist, and am pretty critical of all politicians.

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He had people telling him what clothes to wear for crying out loud.
And you think Bush doesn't. I'm sure it was totally his ideal to buy the ranch in Crawford back in 99 too. As I'm also sure he writes all his own speeches. Hell, go back to that old Kennedy/Nixon debate, and I bet Nixon would have loved if someone had made him wear makeup.

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Say what you will, it's been five years since 9/11 and our homeland has remained thankfully safe.
At least from Islamic terrorists.


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Hey Camhead :D

Where've you been? Presumably, spending very little time in front of a computer monitor. :wink:

The lefties around here are in serious need of intellectual leadership. Post up, beotch.


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He had people telling him what clothes to wear for crying out loud.
And you think Bush doesn't. I'm sure it was totally his ideal to buy the ranch in Crawford back in 99 too.

I think he was talking about Gore paying a feminist writer $15,000/month to help him present himself as an "alpha male".


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I think he was talking about Gore paying a feminist writer $15,000/month to help him present himself as an "alpha male".

Wow, $15,000 a month to do the impossible.


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He'e setting records for vacation time. I don't know if that's good, but it sure makes me jealous.

Where was Bush when all the warning bells were going off about 9/11?
VACATION!
How about when Katrina went slamming into New Orleans?
VACATION!
And then when the violent insurgency flared in Iraq?
VACATION!

In fact, one time in 2005, Bush was on vacation in his Texas ranch when he decided to go to a ranch in Idaho, to take a vacation from his vacation!

Call that liberal bias, but I really am jealous.


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So, I will ask,most respectfully,that you ask yourselves,what would the president of your choosing have done in the difficult situations that President Bush has faced? Do any of you feel that Gore would have had a significantly better plan for dealing with terrorism?

Yes. Hopefully, he would have not started a pre-emptive war with Iraq. That in itself would be a huge improvement over the shrub's "anti-terrorism" policy.

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Personally,I think,he might have apologized to the Muslim world,that seemed what he was best at.

That's something of a straw-man argument don't you think? Do you expect to get a serious response to that? Please...

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He had people telling him what clothes to wear for crying out loud.

Right... and no-one at all was telling Bush what to wear, what to do, and what to say...

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Say what you will, it's been five years since 9/11 and our homeland has remained thankfully safe.

I'd say it's debatable whether or not actions taken by Bush have made us any safer. Post 9/11 any president would have acted to strengthen our homeland defenses against terrorism, but hopefully someone else would have done so without compromising our civil liberties (illegal wire-tapping, etc.) and without starting a war in a country that poses no threat to us.

Of course, that does not even begin to get into the long term repercussions of this administration's choices may bring us. It is quite possible that our actions in the Middle East are helping to foster a new generation of terrorists. I think that Al Gore, despite some of his deficiencies, probably understood international politics well enough to see this.

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Bush said he wanted to engage the enemy on their turf,and we are.

Right... and that was a great decision :roll:

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So Kerry is elected and there is a huge hurricane coming,do you believe that he could in some way have evacuated the city of New Orleans?

I dunno... maybe. We now know that Bush was warned about the levies ahead of time (and lied about it later), yet did nothing. Would Kerry have done something differently? I'm not sure.

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Do you believe there would be no cronyism in his administration? Would he have gone down there and put his finger in the dike?


Of course there would be cronyism in his administration. We are talking about Washington here. Would it be as widespread as in Bush's? I doubt it.



Anything else? I can also think of healthy alternatives to many of Bush's other choices. No-Child Left Behind, our new and improved Supreme Court, Healthy Forests Act (Or whatever it was called), the Clear Skies Act, etc, etc, etc....


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i TURN MY CELL PHONE OFF WHEN i'M ON VACATION.....


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Anything else? I can also think of healthy alternatives to many of Bush's other choices. No-Child Left Behind, our new and improved Supreme Court, Healthy Forests Act (Or whatever it was called), the Clear Skies Act, etc, etc, etc....

At least his initiatives/efforts have positive sounding names. :wink:


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you cynical bunch of haters....Bush made it acceptable for the thousands of men in this country that did not serve in combat to come forward and bash those that did. This act alone served to instill a sense of entitilement never before seen in the community that is proudly known as "Slackers for Bush".


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Anything else? I can also think of healthy alternatives to many of Bush's other choices. No-Child Left Behind, our new and improved Supreme Court, Healthy Forests Act (Or whatever it was called), the Clear Skies Act, etc, etc, etc....

At least his initiatives/efforts have positive sounding names. :wink:


I believe thats referred to as creative Marketing... political style.


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i TURN MY CELL PHONE OFF WHEN i'M ON VACATION.....

So if I go out and climb all day long, but leave my cell phone on, then it's not vacation? Now I just need to convince my boss of that.


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Anything else? I can also think of healthy alternatives to many of Bush's other choices. No-Child Left Behind, our new and improved Supreme Court, Healthy Forests Act (Or whatever it was called), the Clear Skies Act, etc, etc, etc....

At least his initiatives/efforts have positive sounding names. :wink:
You really think he was responsible for that?


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Trying to be unbiased, even tho it would be close to impossible for 90% of us, everything Bush does seems to indicate hes running the country like a business. One thing he could do that I would strongly approve of would be for him to put reforms on campaign financing... that would take care of the whords of corrupt Republicans right now, Abrahamoff, Delay, and whoever else is funneling illegal funds.
On top of everything G Dubyas oil friends/ contributors have manipulated in doing anything really hel[ful to fight global warming. that makes him a WHORE!
And as hillary clinton hypothesizes, Rove and the gang are trying to swing as much bad attention towards her for the 2008 elections to distract people from the current administrations fuckups.


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Hmm, sounds like a lot of rightie leftie bashing goin on. Curious, if so many people call republicans stupid, how come they're usually the one's making the money? Stupid people don't get lucky that often. Just playin devils advocate :wink: . I don't really stand on either side completely. If you always vote democrat or republican without looking at issues, you've given up thinking for yourself. I realize thats easier, but thats one reason why people are always unhappy with the government. I originally registered republican, but i have been known to vote for some typically democratic issues at the same time i realize war is an unfortunate part of politics and always will be. It has been for thousands of years so I don't mind a president thats willing to go to war. I definitely don't like that we've been in Iraq for this long, but then again, I've heard on a number of occasions (at least a dozen) on the news or radio of attacks on US, or European soil that have been stopped because of our presence in the mid east. We've lost more soldier's lives than I like either, so which do you pick? And so what if thorne copy and pasted a statement? It saved time, what do you want him to do, paraphrase the whole bloody thing? Many missed a point by looking in the wrong place. Was the point valid? So...


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phhhhhhhhhhtttttttttt.....buzzkill....pile on dude.....it's more fun.


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even tho it would be close to impossible for 90% of us
I'd broaden that to plain impossible. Just like it is impossible to know the truth. The best we can do is admit our own inability and go from there. Only someone with god-like ego would think of themselves as being able to do better.


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Anything else? I can also think of healthy alternatives to many of Bush's other choices. No-Child Left Behind, our new and improved Supreme Court, Healthy Forests Act (Or whatever it was called), the Clear Skies Act, etc, etc, etc....

At least his initiatives/efforts have positive sounding names. :wink:

Yeah... even if they do the opposite of what they say...


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phhhhhhhhhhtttttttttt.....buzzkill....pile on dude.....it's more fun.

Ya, you're right. EVERYTHING SUCKS!!! :deadhorse: :deadhorse: :deadhorse: :deadhorse: :deadhorse: :deadhorse: :deadhorse: :deadhorse: ahh, thats better :lol:


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One thing he could do that I would strongly approve of would be for him to put reforms on campaign financing... that would take care of the whords of corrupt Republicans right now, Abrahamoff, Delay, and whoever else is funneling illegal funds.

Why would a corrupt president invoke reforms on the very Republican politicians with whom he is orchestrating these questionable policies. This is clearly a team effort. One would have to be completely blind not to see it for what it is.

The left and right have proven, IMO, that their ability to effectively manage government has been severely undermined by their inability to overlook partisan differences. What they fail to realize is that American citizens represent an amalgamation of both conservative and liberal concerns. Not one of us - except for possibly Thorne - is completely conservative or liberal.

The polarization of these two parties has proven itself to be ineffective, and it is time that we start exploring politicians and/or a party that represents more balance and inclusion. The misuse of power that we are witnessing in our government, because of the majority presence in all three branches, is a product of human nature. We are seeing a breach of the very system that was set up to defend against such a monopoly.

It is no secret that the Military Industrial Complex is the key to our power and influence around the globe. I am not even convinced that it necessarily, at least in some capacity, a negative thing for the country. The problem is that US citizens no longer have an effective voice in the decision making process. That has been usurped by a government that we have allowed to gain too much control over our lives.

This is our country, and we could be a force for good all over the world, but that will never happen until we become systemically educated and active enough to insist on representatives and policies that with benefit our nation and the world in a positive way.

Until then, we are reaping the rewards of apathy and ignorance.


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He invaded Afganistan after 9/11. That shit needed doin'.


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Hey Camhead :D

Where've you been? Presumably, spending very little time in front of a computer monitor. :wink:

The lefties around here are in serious need of intellectual leadership. Post up, beotch.

hey thorne,
too much time climbing and working to post up here much! unfortunately, I've been way busy teaching American colonial history to overprivileged SMU kids this term, so the arguments will have to wait.

I did just return from the Red last week, though. You southerners have some KICKASS sandstone!


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..Curt,you are a way smarter guy than I, everybody likes a BJ, even we conservatives,but is it fair to overlook perjury?The truth is that Clinton had a lifelong history of manipulating women for sex.Paula Jones was not the only person he offered jobs to in exchange for sex,you may argue that's not proven,I'll agree.Personally I would not have cared a whit if he was doing Monica or some other girl,that's pretty standard fare for the White House,Kennedy was a sex machine.At least he had the sack to actually have intercourse,and I don't think he was strongarming women for it.That's the part that bothered me,the conservative.That and the"depends on what your definition of 'is' is."

Yeah, in retrospect, those were the good old days. :lol:

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To get back to the point, I think that bush has proven once and for all that the axiom

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It not the votes that count, It who counts the votes.

It's sad, but I don't really think that the younger generation is very happy about the way votes don't seem to count for shit. He's proven that voting machines need to be opensource.


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One downside to Bush's presidency is the level of political whining has reached historic levels.

Carter had a lot of detractors. Reagan had a lot of detractors. Clinton has a lot, too. If not sure if Bush has more detractors than these other recent presidents. More like, it's that the current detractors bitch and moan a whole lot than those of the past.


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One downside to Bush's presidency is the level of political whining has reached historic levels.

Along those same lines, I think the level of paranoia and belief in conspiracy theories has reached historic levels.


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One downside to Bush's presidency is the level of political whining has reached historic levels.

Carter had a lot of detractors. Reagan had a lot of detractors. Clinton has a lot, too. If not sure if Bush has more detractors than these other recent presidents. More like, it's that the current detractors b---- and moan a whole lot than those of the past.

...I'd say it's more like a ground swell of Nationalistic unity.

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Doesn't apply to most here, but he has approved funding to fix/replace housing for military families that live on bases. The housing hasn't been revamped since WW2 so it was/is in really rough shape. Approved funding for better pay for off post housing so a family can afford to live somewhere other than a studio appartment of trailer in the ghetto. Generally gave a lot of folks in the military a Commander in Chief that lives by the same rules that is required of us.

That's all well and good provided you don't get killed or wounded. Then you and your family will discover the sad reality that Bush has slashed vererans benefits as well as funding for VA hospitals.


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...I'd say it's more like a ground swell of Nationalistic unity.

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Funny what you call criticism.


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Funny what you call criticism.

I wouldn't expect you to grasp the distinction between fair minded criticism and low brow character assassination..


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I wouldn't expect you to grasp the distinction between fair minded criticism and low brow character assassination..


And just what was your treatment of John Kerry during the election and your bashing of Bill Clinton on numerous threads??

You have be the biggest fecking hypocrite on this site...bar none. You never practice what you preach!!!


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I wouldn't expect you to grasp the distinction between fair minded criticism and low brow character assassination..


And just what was your treatment of John Kerry during the election and your bashing of Bill Clinton on numerous threads??

You have be the biggest fecking hypocrite on this site...bar none.

Wrong, but you might be the biggest "fecking" liar on this site.... or at least, the second biggest liar.

1) I never made any claims that all of my criticisms of Kerry were fair minded. My behavior is irrelevant to the point I was making.

2) I don't recall any "bashing of Bill Clinton on numerous threads".

Produce some examples and I'll apologize. Until then, Fuck off!


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going to Afganistan was a good call by bush, can't think of any more

let's look at who does more whining and lying. Most talk radio is dominated by "conservatives" and their bread and butter is slamming democrats or liberals or lefties, you can pick your favorite term.

For example, it is pretty weak to whine that no good news comes out of Iraq when the guys that carry water for bush spend their entire shows going after the opposition. Shouldn't his (bush) cheerleaders provide that good news?


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bloop.....blooop....bloooop. I think I see bubbles.


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your kitty can see my bong?


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Since becoming President of the United States in 2001, President Bush blah blah blah world more peaceful.
wow thorne, you have just lost complete credibility with respect to intellectual honesty. I wonder what you're feeling right now.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

As if he ever had any. I told you that he was probably a GOP plant. Who else would go out of his way to pull a stunt like that?. I would almost bet that every large website, that entertains political discussions, is being infiltrated by these people.

For those of you who actual thought I was genuinely trying to present a cut and paste from www.whitehouse.gov. as my own writing, guess what? Gullible isn't a word in the dictionary. :wink:


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For those of you who actual thought I was genuinely trying to present a cut and paste from www.whitehouse.gov. as my own writing, guess what? Gullible isn't a word in the dictionary. :wink:

You might of had climbinganne fooled, but no one else is falling for your lame attempt at saving face. That you are defending yourself is evidence that you and your big, fat lie are on the ropes. bloop... blooop...blooop :wink:


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For those of you who actual thought I was genuinely trying to present a cut and paste from www.whitehouse.gov. as my own writing, guess what? Gullible isn't a word in the dictionary. :wink:

You might of had climbinganne fooled, but no one else is falling for your lame attempt at saving face. That you are defending yourself is evidence that you and your big, fat lie are on the ropes. bloop... blooop...blooop :wink:

Oh roofie/PL... you're such an easy mark. :lol: :lol: :lol:


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For those of you who actual thought I was genuinely trying to present a cut and paste from www.whitehouse.gov. as my own writing, guess what? Gullible isn't a word in the dictionary. :wink:

You might of had climbinganne fooled, but no one else is falling for your lame attempt at saving face. That you are defending yourself is evidence that you and your big, fat lie are on the ropes. bloop... blooop...blooop :wink:

Oh roofie/PL... you're such an easy mark. :lol: :lol: :lol:

bloop...blooop...bloooop :wink:


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Thorne wrote..Produce some examples and I'll apologize. Until then, Fuck off!


It that what you learned at your daily prayer meeting?


Hypocrite!!! :lol:

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My behavior is irrelevant to the point I was making.

HAHAHAHAHA!


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Thorne wrote: 1) I never made any claims that all of my criticisms of Kerry were fair minded. My behavior is irrelevant to the point I was making.

Again...do as I say...not as I do. Hypocrite!!! :lol:


You have a bull-eye the size of a barn on you. :lol:


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For those of you who actual thought I was genuinely trying to present a cut and paste from www.whitehouse.gov. as my own writing, guess what? Gullible isn't a word in the dictionary. :wink:

You might of had climbinganne fooled, but no one else is falling for your lame attempt at saving face. That you are defending yourself is evidence that you and your big, fat lie are on the ropes. bloop... blooop...blooop :wink:

fooled by bumblie??

you are new and don't know how to read


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For those of you who actual thought I was genuinely trying to present a cut and paste from www.whitehouse.gov. as my own writing, guess what? Gullible isn't a word in the dictionary. :wink:

You might of had climbinganne fooled, but no one else is falling for your lame attempt at saving face. That you are defending yourself is evidence that you and your big, fat lie are on the ropes. bloop... blooop...blooop :wink:

fooled by bumblie??

you are new and don't know how to read

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I am worried about the guy (Bumblie/Thorne).

I think he is going to implode and then this place won't be any fun anymore.


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bobd1953 wrote:

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am worried about the guy (Bumblie/Thorne).

I think he is going to implode and then this place won't be any fun anymore.


...spray...post pics when he does and we'll decide..... :D


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Thorne wrote: 1) I never made any claims that all of my criticisms of Kerry were fair minded. My behavior is irrelevant to the point I was making.

Again...do as I say...not as I do. Hypocrite!!! :lol:


You have a bull-eye the size of a barn on you. :lol:

Poor bob. Too fucking stupid too grasp the obvious. :lol:


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Poor bob. Too fucking stupid too grasp the obvious. Laughing


Learn that in Sunday school?

Poor Bob...no way. Your the man that has to live inside your skin each day.


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Hey Camhead :D

Where've you been? Presumably, spending very little time in front of a computer monitor. :wink:

The lefties around here are in serious need of intellectual leadership. Post up, beotch.

I already posted. Bush hasn't done anything good; that's all I have to say.


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