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rockguide
Aug 28, 2006, 12:32 PM
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In reply to: Right, well, thanks for the positive help. I can see this being a s--- thread now.
Very nice. While a little on the short side, Reno's response was actually pretty good. The trouble with asking questions is that sometimes the truth isn't what you hoped it would be.
I would expand his answer to be that when you can see the difference between an experienced climber and a beginner, and you know what an experienced climber does, then you are on your way to being an intermediate.
True beginners just think that experienced climbers move over difficult ground more easily. While that is it for bouldering, as soon as you add technical systems the difference becomes more complex.
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gunksgoer
Aug 28, 2006, 12:41 PM
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In reply to: In reply to: At some point in your climbing career you will reach a point where you feel confident high above your last piece. It is a strange level of comfort, and once you achieve it you know that you can climb well. I disagree......so you are saying once you feel confident you are no longer a beginner??...
I am saying that once you have a certain knowledge base, a strong head, and some motivation you are ready to tackle much harder things outside.
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keinangst
Aug 28, 2006, 1:04 PM
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The first time your hubris nearly ends your life. Alternatively, this could also indicate that you are on your way to being a beginner again.
I liked the first response.
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chossmonkey
Aug 28, 2006, 1:48 PM
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In reply to: If you have to ask, you're still a beginner.
In reply to: Right, well, thanks for the positive help. I can see this being a s--- thread now.
I think Reno's answer is right.
It just sounds like you didn't get the answer you were looking for.
Also, Rockguide made an important point.
While is still hasn't been beaten to a pulp like so many other topics here, it on its way. Do a quick search of "no longer a beginner" and you come up with four threads other than yours. If you did slight variations there should be lots of other similar threads.
Go climb lots. When you start to figure stuff out on your own you will know you are taking the first step away from being a beginner(maybe you already have?). There is no hard point where you magically become "not a" beginner. But asking when you are no longer a beginner is a tell tale sign of a beginner. :wink:
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reno
Aug 28, 2006, 10:59 PM
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In reply to: The trouble with asking questions is that sometimes the truth isn't what you hoped it would be.
Damn right.
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In reply to: I have almost been climbing for a year, I climb 5.12 inside, 5.10 outside, I sport lead, I can set anchors, rappel, and I am starting to place pro.
You'll be a beginner then, I guess. :lol:
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caughtinside
Aug 29, 2006, 5:20 PM
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YOU ARE NO LONGER A BEGINNER WHEN I SAY SO.
COOLCLIMBER, YOU ARE STILL A BEGINNER.
NEXT!
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krusher4
Aug 29, 2006, 6:45 PM
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In reply to: YOU ARE NO LONGER A BEGINNER WHEN I SAY SO. COOLCLIMBER, YOU ARE STILL A BEGINNER. NEXT!
With your high number of posts I would say this is a valid statement.
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jaybro
Aug 29, 2006, 7:09 PM
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Aspire to beginners mind, no matter how, 'good' you get at various aspects of this.
Once you assume you know what you're doing, you're toast.
Also note, definitions of this sort are contextural.
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caughtinside
Aug 29, 2006, 7:19 PM
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In reply to: In reply to: YOU ARE NO LONGER A BEGINNER WHEN I SAY SO. COOLCLIMBER, YOU ARE STILL A BEGINNER. NEXT! With your high number of posts I would say this is a valid statement.
YOU ARE VERY ASTUTE, KRUSHER4. YOU JUST MIGHT KNOW A THING OR TWO ABOUT THIS CLIMBING BUSINESS.
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phojar
Aug 29, 2006, 8:11 PM
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In reply to: If you have to ask, you're still a beginner.
In reply to: Ok, thanks, I was thinking that experience probably counts for most of it.
Wrong, wrong, so so wrong. You're no longer a beginner when you start flaming people on rc.com. :lol:
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mcfoley
Aug 29, 2006, 8:21 PM
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I'd say you are no longer a beginner when you are self sufficient.
What I mean by that is that you have your own gear and can go out on your own and safetly setup a TR (build your own anchor systems) and or lead a route (sport or trad-whatever you are in to).
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kriso9tails
Aug 29, 2006, 8:31 PM
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You're a beginner when you begin. Likewise, you are a n00b, when you're new. It's really just a time thing.
If you've been climbing for fourteen years and still don't know anything about the sport then you're an idiot, not a beginner.
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Aug 29, 2006, 10:13 PM
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In reply to: I'd say you are no longer a beginner when you are self sufficient. What I mean by that is that you have your own gear and can go out on your own and safetly setup a TR (build your own anchor systems) and or lead a route (sport or trad-whatever you are in to). |
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crazygirl
Aug 31, 2006, 7:58 PM
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I think being a beginner is a matter of convenience.
For instance - you try a route and fail, when notice that people are watching. You say to them - "i'm a beginner"
Ex. # 2: you start giving random beta to random people. you no longer call yourself a beginner.
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coolklimber
Aug 31, 2006, 9:54 PM
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In reply to: In reply to: If you have to ask, you're still a beginner. In reply to: Ok, thanks, I was thinking that experience probably counts for most of it. Wrong, wrong, so so wrong. You're no longer a beginner when you start flaming people on rc.com. :lol:
So I have to flame ppl, just like this and I won't be a beginner anymore? This will be easy.
Keep going, I want to see how trashed my post will get, since I'm a beginner.
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fluxus
Aug 31, 2006, 10:27 PM
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In reply to: So I have to flame ppl, just like this and I won't be a beginner anymore? This will be easy. Keep going, I want to see how trashed my post will get, since I'm a beginner.
And your screen name is "coolklimber" that alone should be cause for much trashing. Throw in the fact that you're a beginner and, well, expected to be digg'n yourself out of a land fill!
I've been climbing 26 and aint no beginner in any sense of the word, but I love those moments when I rediscover what has been called the "beginners mind."
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shockabuku
Aug 31, 2006, 11:29 PM
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As I was giving myself a manicure the other day I thought -
Maybe you're not a beginner anymore after X (numbers of) sheets of sandpaper used to file the calluses off your fingers.
And then I thought - or maybe it's after y shoes fed to the rock,
or maybe after z ropes worn out,
or maybe after you've owned s different belay devices and still looking for the right one,
or maybe after you've eaten a billion ham sandwhiches,
or maybe it's after...
I don't know - but let me know when you come up with your version of an answer.
I do like mcfoley's answer though.
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nic_star
Sep 1, 2006, 12:00 AM
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Ctardi wrote: "Don't worry about it, just go climbing for yourself, not so you can say you aren't a beginner."
i found it hard to pick a section of your post to quote because i agree with it all. You made your statement very eloquently. your a wise young man. I just wanted to let you know because some of the replies to the original post were a little harsh in my opinion.
Climbing should all be about fun not your climbing stature and how many people you can belittle. so just a big thumbs up to you. thanks for being a nice person.
:D
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shockabuku
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In reply to: Ctardi wrote: "Don't worry about it..." ...your a wise young man. :D
That's so funny following the ATC Guide thread! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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tchiker
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I'm less than a beginner at this point, but I'm sure that there aren't exact, well-defined specifications for beginner vs. intermediate vs. expert. It is very subjective and all relative.
I suppose the only way you will know when you are "interemediate" rather than beginner is when you can compare yourself to many other climbers and feel you are somewhere in the middle percentiles as far as skill and experience. You can do this either by reading a lot of other's experiences or going on climbs with others.
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bizarrodrinker
Sep 11, 2006, 7:15 PM
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I would say that you are no longer a begginer the day you realize that other climbers don't care what level you climb and are thus able to climb with total disregard for other climbers' thoughts.
For some this day never comes.
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bizarrodrinker
Sep 11, 2006, 7:16 PM
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I would say that you are no longer a begginer the day you realize that other climbers don't care what level you climb and thus are finally able to climb for youreself with total disregard for other climbers thoughts.
For some this day never comes.
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shanz
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well crap I'm feeling compelled to respond - first of all i started on real rock. that made me a beginner when i went into a gym 4 years later (was a very weird unnerving experience - i wouldn't recommend it to anyone - and whats with the retarded beanies skull condoms -- oh hell what was i talking about... Oh yeah the when you are no longer beginner - if you really care then go back to the gym cause numbers mean shit and labeling yourself is a self limiting way and will hinder you from truly reaching your potential. Learn something every time you go climbing on real rock. And forget the gym humdrum it tends to limit you .. Enjoy the experience forget the numbers and climb. But then again what do i know 12 more days ill have been doing this 2 weeks
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