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I've never posted before, but I'm mad. First of all I've met lots of cool people on this site, both men and women. I am not a feminatzi man hater. That being said...I started talking to this guy on this site, he contacted me. We talked about climbing and life. It was very nice...then he started talking about dominant women grabbing his ass. I am a climber, here for climbing related discussions. Was that necessary? NO!!!! If I wanted to talk dirty, I'd go to other sites for that. I want to talk about climbing. So, that being said, if anyone ever wants to have climbing conversations...I'd love that. Anyone who wants to get their virtual dick sucked or ass slapped go somewhere else!
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I'd give him a virtual bitch slap, but he'd probably like it.
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welcome to the world weird web with that said, if you feel you're being harassed, report it to the admins of this site -RB
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macherry
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as Robert said, harassment of rockclimbing.com members will not be tolerated. If you have a problem with another user please contact a moderator or an administrator.
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reno
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You're welcome to send me a private message and tell me who this user was. I'll be happy to climb the corner post and drop kick his ass outta here. Sexual harassment is NOT allowed. If you feel you've been harassed, please let us know.
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reno wrote: You're welcome to send me a private message and tell me who this user was. I'll be happy to climb the corner post and drop kick his ass outta here. Sexual harassment is NOT allowed. If you feel you've been harassed, please let us know. Here is a prime example of what I was talking about with over moderation or moderation going unchecked. How do you know this was valid case of Sexual harassment without speaking to both sides? Maybe this was just a misunderstanding of mixed signals. I'm not implying anything on the complaintants part because I don't know. But why make a statement like above without just saying "please send me a pm so I can investigate?" I to believe that there is no place for harassment but I am also for a fair investigation and fair action without bias prior to speaking with both sides. The statement above makes it look like you already have your mind made up, lets march the guilty bastard in and hang'em....hang'em high. Mitt
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loricatfish
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I told him to leave me alone and he hasn't contacted me since. I'll let you know if he does. I'm more angry that someone tried to pervert something that means so much to me. Just because you're anonymous and can say anything you want doesn't mean you should.
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the_mitt wrote: reno wrote: You're welcome to send me a private message and tell me who this user was. I'll be happy to climb the corner post and drop kick his ass outta here. Sexual harassment is NOT allowed. If you feel you've been harassed, please let us know. Here is a prime example of what I was talking about with over moderation or moderation going unchecked. How do you know this was valid case of Sexual harassment without speaking to both sides? Maybe this was just a misunderstanding of mixed signals. I'm not implying anything on the complaintants part because I don't know. But why make a statement like above without just saying "please send me a pm so I can investigate?" I to believe that there is no place for harassment but I am also for a fair investigation and fair action without bias prior to speaking with both sides. The statement above makes it look like you already have your mind made up, lets march the guilty bastard in and hang'em....hang'em high. Mitt Mitt, although I agree with the gist of your post, I think your bias against the staff in general has colored your response. You have had plenty of interactions with reno and I think you should know by now that he is extremely level headed, respectful and fair. If reno's wording gave a different impresion, let me clarify: Harrasment is taken very seriously, there is absolutely no room for it on this website. Because of the seriousness of the issue I can assure you a fair investigation will be carried out and all relevant parties will be consulted. -F
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the_mitt wrote: reno wrote: You're welcome to send me a private message and tell me who this user was. I'll be happy to climb the corner post and drop kick his ass outta here. Sexual harassment is NOT allowed. If you feel you've been harassed, please let us know. Here is a prime example of what I was talking about with over moderation or moderation going unchecked. How do you know this was valid case of Sexual harassment without speaking to both sides? Maybe this was just a misunderstanding of mixed signals. I'm not implying anything on the complaintants part because I don't know. But why make a statement like above without just saying "please send me a pm so I can investigate?" I to believe that there is no place for harassment but I am also for a fair investigation and fair action without bias prior to speaking with both sides. The statement above makes it look like you already have your mind made up, lets march the guilty bastard in and hang'em....hang'em high. Mitt It's fairly obvious that, in spite of the incessant blather otherwise, mods are now just waiting to pounce on site users. Perhaps that's how they win their gold stars from the new management. I doubt they will let facts get in the way of their new mission. Curt
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loricatfish
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I appreciate the responses. As I said before I told him to leave me alone and so far he has. If he doesn't then I will take further actions. I just hope any other people lurking in the shadows will read this and think twice before imposing their inappropriate fantacies on me or any other women. And to be clear, there is nothing wrong with flirting, but that's not what it was.
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Well, reno strikes me as chivalrous, so I think his post was worded in such a way that just showed that protective guy reaction. He did add "if you feel you've been harrassed..." so I don't think he's going to convict this guy without seeing evidence. I don't think any of the mods would.
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the_mitt wrote: reno wrote: You're welcome to send me a private message and tell me who this user was. I'll be happy to climb the corner post and drop kick his ass outta here. Sexual harassment is NOT allowed. If you feel you've been harassed, please let us know. Here is a prime example of what I was talking about with over moderation or moderation going unchecked. How do you know this was valid case of Sexual harassment without speaking to both sides? Maybe this was just a misunderstanding of mixed signals. I'm not implying anything on the complaintants part because I don't know. But why make a statement like above without just saying "please send me a pm so I can investigate?" I to believe that there is no place for harassment but I am also for a fair investigation and fair action without bias prior to speaking with both sides. The statement above makes it look like you already have your mind made up, lets march the guilty bastard in and hang'em....hang'em high. So it's safe to say you missed the humor in the "climb the corner post" part? And also missed the part where I said "Let me know who this is" and "If you feel you've been harassed..."?? But I do want to thank you, Mitt, for reminding me that we shoudn't be so quick to judge people. That's something I've forgotten the past few days. ;)
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loricatfish wrote: I appreciate the responses. As I said before I told him to leave me alone and so far he has. If he doesn't then I will take further actions. I just hope any other people lurking in the shadows will read this and think twice before imposing their inappropriate fantacies on me or any other women. And to be clear, there is nothing wrong with flirting, but that's not what it was. Fair enough. Just know that the staff is ALWAYS willing to look into the matter to see what harm, if any, has been done. I'll also apologize that a select few have decided to take your thread and concerns and turn it into their own pulpit to make up false allegations. Wish I could say it won't happen again, but.....
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take off your tinfoil hats folks, no conspiracy theory here! We've always had a no sexual harassment policy at rc.com, long before the new owners came on board.
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I've also recieved several PM's from random guys who are all like "i saw ur profile pic ur cute we should meet up sumtime." First of all, I think I at least deserve the respect that comes from actually spelling out "ur" words. Secondly, were I looking for men, I would go elsewhere, not RC.com. So what if i have a crush on an RC.com boy? I'll never act on it, or pm him "OMG ur such a cutie we should like lol have babies! TTYL!" f*ckbags.
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carabiner96 wrote: I've also recieved several PM's from random guys who are all like "i saw ur profile pic ur cute we should meet up sumtime." First of all, I think I at least deserve the respect that comes from actually spelling out "ur" words. Secondly, were I looking for men, I would go elsewhere, not RC.com. So what if i have a crush on an RC.com boy? I'll never act on it, or pm him "OMG ur such a cutie we should like lol have babies! TTYL!" f*ckbags. Hey, no fair lumping us all in the same bag! I know online dating is lame, especially if "ur" going to be hit on like that, but you shouldn't hold the fact that we post here against us! Remember RC does have its romantic success stories. -F
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Ok, if someone here made a real effort to go out to climb with me, spend time with me - sure, I'd fall for an RC.com boy. However, starting out with a (and I quote) "damn girl, I'll belay you cause i wanna watch that" isn't the way to make a good first impression.
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loricatfish
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I wasn't angry about someone PMing me to say they thought I was cute. That I can handle. Like I said I can handle flirting. But when someone tells you they want to be dominated and spanked (without provocation), it goes past flirting.
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carabiner96 wrote: Ok, if someone here made a real effort to go out to climb with me, spend time with me - sure, I'd fall for an RC.com boy. However, starting out with a (and I quote) "damn girl, I'll belay you cause i wanna watch that" isn't the way to make a good first impression. Hey, that sounds like a bad way to start something even in real life!! -F
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You sound hott!!
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lisamariewillbe
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Im sorry I dont see what was sent to her to be sexual harrassement. She and another person of the opposite sex started talking, they had many things in common, and talked about everything from rocks, to life. He goes with the flow and brings up something of sexual nature, she freaks and tells him not to contact her again. So he hasnt since then. Wheres the harrassement? Wheres the "he did something wrong" This is just like the real world. If someone in a bar asks you out and you say no, do you stand at a mic and shout to everyone what a pervert this person is? I think this is a blantent attack on the man who started a friendship, felt a connection on a different level and went in to try to see if there was more to you and him. Hes on this site and you are posting this? He left you alone after you asked him to , so why come post this? To rub it in his face.... I find it funny that people can think they can get to know someone on a site like this and be shocked when approached. The sexual harrassement card is played to often. I sexually harrass people all the time, and they love it *disclaimer- sorry for being serious, Ill go back to my dusting....
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I'm not saying it's sexual harrassment, it's just real fricken annoying.
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Yea it can be, plus your a total hottie, so I am sure you recieve more then the avg girl on a forum. You are in an extreme sport that has few women, and your hot, you will get hit on, take it as flattery. Hell if I were a climber dude, Id be offering to belay for you anyday You will be the subject of many desires and if I played for our team Id be annoying you too
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lisamariewillbe wrote: Im sorry I dont see what was sent to her to be sexual harrassement. She and another person of the opposite sex started talking, they had many things in common, and talked about everything from rocks, to life. He goes with the flow and brings up something of sexual nature, she freaks and tells him not to contact her again. So he hasnt since then. Wheres the harrassement? Wheres the "he did something wrong" This is just like the real world. If someone in a bar asks you out and you say no, do you stand at a mic and shout to everyone what a pervert this person is? I think this is a blantent attack on the man who started a friendship, felt a connection on a different level and went in to try to see if there was more to you and him. Hes on this site and you are posting this? He left you alone after you asked him to , so why come post this? To rub it in his face.... I find it funny that people can think they can get to know someone on a site like this and be shocked when approached. The sexual harrassement card is played to often. I sexually harrass people all the time, and they love it *disclaimer- sorry for being serious, Ill go back to my dusting.... Well said. Maybe there was more to the exchange than the OP stated above, but I just don't see how saying that someone grabbed your butt is sexual harrassment. If I was that guy, and if things are as they seem, then I'd be thankful to find out about your thin skin before I joked about something really bad. FWIW, if your get that worked up over 1 comment like that then you would probably be offended about 6000 times hanging out around the campfire for 1 night with my crew, which by the way is largely composed of women. It reminds me of the quote: "Often when a person is offended it says more about the person being offended than it does about the person doing the offending." Wise words from a wise man.
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carabiner96 wrote: Ok, if someone here made a real effort to go out to climb with me, spend time with me - sure, I'd fall for an RC.com boy. However, starting out with a (and I quote) "damn girl, I'll belay you cause i wanna watch that" isn't the way to make a good first impression. Bwa ha ha ha. Someone actually said that to you? What a maroon. And I concur with the contention that no harassment occurred with the original poster. Dude offended her, she said back off, and he did. Case closed.
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Reno, that's fucked up. GO
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reno wrote: ...I'll also apologize that a select few have decided to take your thread and concerns and turn it into their own pulpit to make up false allegations. Wish I could say it won't happen again, but..... Were it not for your own juvenile offer to rush in on your white horse to rescue the damsel in distress and punish the evil user, I sincerely doubt anyone would have mounted the pulpit. Curt
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According to Title VI of the Civil rights act of 1964 sexual harassment has to involve employment of some sort. ie. me saying something to anyone anywhere who is not a coworker or is not at my place of work is not sexual harassment. Stop jumping on guys for being guys. http://www.eeoc.gov/policy/vii.html
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cracklover wrote: Reno, that's fucked up. GO Huh? Oh, and organic, quitcher trollin'! edit: I forgot my tonguey face!
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lisamariewillbe wrote: Im sorry I dont see what was sent to her to be sexual harrassement. She and another person of the opposite sex started talking, they had many things in common, and talked about everything from rocks, to life. He goes with the flow and brings up something of sexual nature, she freaks and tells him not to contact her again. So he hasnt since then. Wheres the harrassement? Wheres the "he did something wrong" This is just like the real world. If someone in a bar asks you out and you say no, do you stand at a mic and shout to everyone what a pervert this person is? I think this is a blantent attack on the man who started a friendship, felt a connection on a different level and went in to try to see if there was more to you and him. Hes on this site and you are posting this? He left you alone after you asked him to , so why come post this? To rub it in his face.... I find it funny that people can think they can get to know someone on a site like this and be shocked when approached. The sexual harrassement card is played to often. I sexually harrass people all the time, and they love it *disclaimer- sorry for being serious, Ill go back to my dusting.... as the sign said above the bar I worked in (quite) some years ago: SEXUAL HARRASMENT IS NOT A PROBLEM AROUND HERE ...it's one of the only benefits we've got! but seriously now: someone makes you feel uncomfortable be a big boy/girl and tell them they make you feel uncomfortable. if it continues (and in this case it seems to have stopped) THEN there's gonna be a problem. I had a situation at (a different) work(place) several years ago when an uptight religiously-based co-worker felt uncomfortable with my sense of humor. rather than tell me so, she went straight to HR, which resulted in some rather unpleasant and unnecessary bullsh!t. at least in this case someone had the courtesy to confront PERSONALLY, first. <aside.> lisamariewillbe - I will never accuse you of sexually harassing me. Ever. I promise ;) </aside>
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climbsomething wrote: cracklover wrote: Reno, that's fucked up. GO Huh? What don't you get, Hillary? Reno thinks it's funny to drop kick users for bullshit reasons. I think that's fucked up. Is that clear enough? GO
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Angry, simple-minded, balding, partially blind ex-circus flipper boy with a passion for covering lovers in sour cream and gravy seeks exotic, heavily tattooed piercing fanatic, preferably hairy, for whippings, bizarre sex and fashion consulting. No freaks.
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lagr01 wrote: Angry, simple-minded, balding, partially blind ex-circus flipper boy with a passion for covering lovers in sour cream and gravy seeks exotic, heavily tattooed piercing fanatic, preferably hairy, for whippings, bizarre sex and fashion consulting. No freaks. Where'd you find me? Myspace or eHarmony?
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cracklover wrote: climbsomething wrote: cracklover wrote: Reno, that's fucked up. GO Huh? What don't you get, Hillary? Reno thinks it's funny to drop kick users for bullshit reasons. I think that's fucked up. Is that clear enough? GO I getcha. I just didn't take him seriously.
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climbsomething wrote: cracklover wrote: climbsomething wrote: cracklover wrote: Reno, that's fucked up. GO Huh? What don't you get, Hillary? Reno thinks it's funny to drop kick users for bullshit reasons. I think that's fucked up. Is that clear enough? GO I getcha. I just didn't take him seriously. I didn't think anyone did
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lisamariewillbe wrote: Hes on this site and you are posting this? He left you alone after you asked him to , so why come post this? To rub it in his face.... I think she was pretty clear in her post. She was writing for two reasons. 1) Because she was mad. She has that right. Her post angered you, and you got to say so. That's how it works. 2) To say that if anyone else happens to be interested in such discussions with her, they are not welcome. She wants to talk about climbing (such a crazy, crazy thing to want around here). You yourself wrote that men are likely to want to approach her that way. She is simply saving them the trouble. And who are you to instruct her to "take it as flattery"? If she feels there's a time and a place for it then she gets do decide when she is comfortable getting hit on, no less than you get to decide those things for yourself. She's allowed to have different boundaries from yours.
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Well, let's be fair here. I am not ready to convict this guy based on what the OP wrote (to include the part where she says she told him to back off and he did), but we haven't seen the PMs from him. And not knowing who he is, we don't have any posts to judge his personality off of. Details are relatively skimpy. Pretty much any girl who is a big poster here (and even some who aren't) get awkward if not creepy PMs from guys. Every girl reacts differently. Most of the time, I think we just blow the PMs off (I do) but maybe loricat was really offended. I hope she took it up with the mods and they came to a reasonable conclusion. Based on my experiences, they always have, and that's better than releasing the experience to the peanut gallery anyway. Sexual harrassment has always been touchy around here (in protecting both sides, honestly) and I am confident it was dealt with properly.
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climbsomething wrote: ...Pretty much any girl who is a big poster here (and even some who aren't) get awkward if not creepy PMs from guys. Every girl reacts differently. Most of the time, I think we just blow the PMs off (I do)... That would explain why you don't answer--I always thought you just weren't getting them. Seriously, this thread has become somewhat hostile because: 1) Sexual harrassment is not funny. but 2) Calling something "sexual harrassment" which isn't is not funny either. I'm sorry that someone here offended the OP but I personally think she could have handled the situation better. Curt
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climbsomething wrote: cracklover wrote: climbsomething wrote: cracklover wrote: Reno, that's fucked up. GO Huh? What don't you get, Hillary? Reno thinks it's funny to drop kick users for bullshit reasons. I think that's fucked up. Is that clear enough? GO I getcha. I just didn't take him seriously. Now it's my turn not to get it. How does... In reply to: You're welcome to send me a private message and tell me who this user was. I'll be happy to climb the corner post and drop kick his ass outta here. Sexual harassment is NOT allowed. If you feel you've been harassed, please let us know. ... not sound like a request for the user's name so he can be disciplined? GO
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In reply to: 1) Because she was mad. She has that right. Her post angered you, and you got to say so. That's how it works. Very little angers me, it did entertain me though and I got a few good laughs.
In reply to: 2) To say that if anyone else happens to be interested in such discussions with her, they are not welcome. She wants to talk about climbing In all honestly thats not correct, if she wanted to just talk about climbing then she would have changed the subject way before he mentioned the BDSM thing. She herself stated they talked about everything and were becoming friends. What she did do was call out a person on here without saying their name. He is intently watching this hoping he doesnt get named. I think thats rude but I dont care, I love others airing thier laundry
In reply to: You yourself wrote that men are likely to want to approach her that way. She is simply saving them the trouble. I wrote that to someone else actually, the person I wrote that to was a sexy, funny, and intelligent person. I dont know the original poster nor have I seen their picture.
In reply to: If she feels there's a time and a place for it then she gets do decide when she is comfortable getting hit on If someone doesnt like to get hit on then they should say so in a way not to embarrasse the person thats hitting on them. Its part of life, people get hit on, turned down, etc etc, if people want to spend their lives feeling wounded by others actions so be it. Accept life and all it give you and youll be happier .... I choose to turn down people without insulting them on a public thread, the original poster chooses to do it this way
In reply to: She's allowed to have different boundaries from yours. Of course, and thats a fair assessment coming from someone who is attacking someone for having a different assessment then you. Step off the pulpit, remove the rock from your ass and read what I stated earlier and dont twist my words. I speak what I mean when I mean it, dont like it, oh well move on to the next poster. Im blunt and thats me, dont like it??? Darn Ill just stick with the bazillion others who prefer to not have to try to read my mind or guess what my posts mean. Lifes to short to constently be wounded. At least thats how I feel, you are free to be who you are. However when you respond to me, make sure your not twisting what I say and who I say it to around because thats about as annoying as tan lines and bikini stubble
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I only have one question are you sure your not a climber. Man I think I'm in love. Mitt but you can call me mittens :)
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the_mitt
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LOL M
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climbsomething wrote: cracklover wrote: Reno, that's fucked up. GO Huh? Oh, and organic, quitcher trollin'! edit: I forgot my tonguey face! SEXUAL HARASSMENT! Does trollin' imply I like to do nasty things in dark caves or under bridges? anyways if it was me the OP was posting about which it might be I can never keep who I PM straight. I would be proud that women pinch my ass! YES I SAID IT! I LIKE IT WHEN WOMEN PINCH MY ASS! If you don't believe me check out the ugly mug thread! PS. If any women want to PM about setting up a time to pinch my ass feel free but climbing is right out because who wants a female climbing partner?
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lisamariewillbe wrote: In reply to: You yourself wrote that men are likely to want to approach her that way. She is simply saving them the trouble. I wrote that to someone else actually, the person I wrote that to was a sexy, funny, and intelligent person. I dont know the original poster nor have I seen their picture. My bad.
lisamariewillbe wrote: and thats a fair assessment coming from someone who is attacking someone for having a different assessment then you. No, actually I was asking how you felt justified in what I perceived to be you telling someone that she ought not be offended by something that happened to her personally. I misread something you wrote to someone else as directed toward the OP.
lisamariewillbe wrote: However when you respond to me, make sure your not twisting what I say and who I say it to "When you respond to me" - please. This isn't a schoolyard. It is never my intention to twist anyone's words, not even yours. Shit happens, and I own my misreading of an earlier post. Either way, there are others here who have suggested that the OP is somehow incorrect for being upset by the message she received. I still say she gets to decide for herself whether something is permitted to upset her.
lisamariewillbe wrote: In reply to: She wants to talk about climbing In all honestly thats not correct, if she wanted to just talk about climbing then she would have changed the subject way before he mentioned the BDSM thing. She herself stated they talked about everything and were becoming friends. In all honesty that is not correct? So you have seen their exchange of PMs? What she said wasloricatfish wrote: We talked about climbing and life. It was very nice...then he started talking about dominant women grabbing his ass. You don't know how many messages there were, what "climbing and life" signifies, how/when he introduced this or what prededed it. That she should have "changed the subject" before he sent the offending PM is absurd for you to say if you want to then jump on people for making "guesses" about the meaning of your own posts.
lisamariewillbe wrote: If someone doesnt like to get hit on then they should say so in a way not to embarrasse the person thats hitting on them. ... Darn Ill just stick with the bazillion others who prefer to not have to try to read my mind or guess what my posts mean. ... Back to my original point - you wrote asking whether her intention was to "rub it in his face." Why don't you read her post again, because she already said why she started this thread. If you don't want people to try to read your mind, try not to read hers. Or his, for that matter. You don't know that he's biting his nails, petrified that he will be named. He may fully stand behind his PM to her. In any case, nowhere has the OP suggested that she has any intention of revealing that guy's ID. She responded to him, he stopped, and that was that. She posted here to vent, and to say for the record that she doesn't want such messages. And she has done so without in any way compromising the "P" nature of the PM she received.
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Well, I like pinching man butt. But a truly pinchable man butt is hard to find! And GO, I see how you think that. I kinda figured people would react that way when I first read the post, given the current milieu of the site. But I simply don't personally believe that reno meant to sound overzealous. He probly wanted to investigate the matter, as mods always do when somebody makes such a claim, and was just trying to inject some levity. Reno is known around here and while not everybody agrees with him, especially in the community forum, he's an active long-time member who actually knows people offline and has definitely made his personality known online. So there's one major reason why I choose to sympathize with him, but am not so ready to give some other managers the benefit of the doubt when they publicly step on their dodes.
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climbsomething wrote: Well, I like pinching man butt. But a truly pinchable man butt is hard to find! ~T liked to pinky scoop my butt...at first it was uncomfortable, but now I'm up to three fingers...woo hoo!
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I heard there was a horse in here.... should I kick him or is he still alive?
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In reply to: You don't kick him...you beat him kick , beat , suck, there all verbs
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lisamariewillbe wrote: In reply to: You don't kick him...you beat him kick , beat , suck, there all verbs You must have a serious mental handicap...do you realize what time it is?!?! (and, yes, I know...and, yes, I do)
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I forgot to go to bed last night Seriously, Ive been up all night making a stupid wreath of yarn
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well you have a better excuse than I I'm trying not to get sick after having way too much Jager at a friend's going away party he's the one leaving...so why am I the one who feels like shyte!
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You answered your own question....
In reply to: I'm trying not to get sick after having way too much Jager
In reply to: so why am I the one who feels like shyte! I never claim to be a "smart girl" but this is one in which the answer lies within.... within yourself.... go hug a toilet
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Ohhh shut it! hee hee the misses' kid and his friend got up and asked, "do you have to go to work or something...is that why you're up?" I said, "dude, I haven't gone to bed yet" His eyes opened wide..."you haven't?!?!" Bad influence? eh, he'll figure it out soon enough
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Nah I often have to tell my kids that Call it "preperation for the real world" You are doing a public service by letting them know sometimes grownups have to take one for the team
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In reply to: Why aren't our (guys) pm boxes filling up with awkward or creepy emails? Thats sexual descrimination!! I won't stand for it Hey mines not filled with creepy messages either, then again what most call creepy, I call *cough* normal
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climbsomething wrote: And GO, I see how you think that. I kinda figured people would react that way when I first read the post, given the current milieu of the site. But I simply don't personally believe that reno meant to sound overzealous. No, he didn't mean to sound overzealous. I'm sure that when the New York Cops said "It's Giuliani time" they didn't think they sounded overzealous, either.
In reply to: He probly wanted to investigate the matter, as mods always do when somebody makes such a claim, and was just trying to inject some levity. Several mods jumped in to do just that. He was the only one who seemed eager to play judge, jury, and executioner before the case even came to court.
In reply to: Reno is known around here and while not everybody agrees with him, especially in the community forum, he's an active long-time member who actually knows people offline and has definitely made his personality known online. So there's one major reason why I choose to sympathize with him, but am not so ready to give some other managers the benefit of the doubt when they publicly step on their dodes. Well I'm glad you like him. That doesn't keep what he said from being fucked up. If he has a personal relationship with the OP, such that she knows that he's just joking and didn't mean what he said, then that's something different - it would become an inside joke I didn't pick up on. Otherwise... Let me try to elaborate on my perspective. I've never gotten a verbal slapdown from a girl for being inappropriate - neither here online nor in real life - I'm way too shy to go out on a limb like that. But I can still empathize. I've had shit posted about me online that was not flattering, and it's no fun having people pontificate about my motives without knowing anything about me. A few people said nasty things about me (not knowing who it was they were referring to) - which was fine, I've got a thick skin, and besides, it wound up being basically in my favor without me even telling my side of the story (didn't want to create extra drama by outing myself). But if it had had consequences for my membership on this site, that would have been another matter. The OP wanted to vent. Perhaps LMWB is right, it's not in the best of taste, but who cares, this is community, the more drama the better, right? But then for Reno to practically beg to be able to take the guy down - and to feel so secure in his authority as to feel comfortable doing so right out in public rather than by PM... Sorry, but that's just way fucked up. GO
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A sample of pm's over my membership: user1: funny post...lol. i bet u do enjoy that bulge lol jk. and u are kinda hot lol. user1(later): ur a babe why dont u write back lol ***** user2: You are hot. ***** someone who posts here a lot who may have been drunk when he sent me this: Um, I'm way too old to hit on you too, sorry. But you seem like a fun person. ***** a small sample of the funny shit guys do.
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carabiner96 wrote: A sample of pm's over my membership: user1: funny post...lol. i bet u do enjoy that bulge lol jk. and u are kinda hot lol. user1(later): ur a babe why dont u write back lol ***** user2: You are hot. ***** someone who posts here a lot who may have been drunk when he sent me this: Um, I'm way too old to hit on you too, sorry. But you seem like a fun person. ***** a small sample of the funny shit guys do. You seem hot lol want to make-out? lol lol lol
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lol lol lol no lol lol lol
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carabiner96 wrote: someone who posts here a lot who may have been drunk when he sent me this: Um, I'm way too old to hit on you too, sorry. But you seem like a fun person. Hey wait a minute--who else is old and drunk around here? Curt
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carabiner96 wrote: A sample of pm's over my membership: user1: funny post...lol. i bet u do enjoy that bulge lol jk. and u are kinda hot lol. user1(later): ur a babe why dont u write back lol It's like E. E. Cummings for the illiterate.
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curt wrote: carabiner96 wrote: someone who posts here a lot who may have been drunk when he sent me this: Um, I'm way too old to hit on you too, sorry. But you seem like a fun person. Hey wait a minute--who else is old and drunk around here? Curt Close but not quite there. d.
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wouldn't you all love to know.
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carabiner96 wrote: wouldn't you all love to know. Tease.
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curt wrote: carabiner96 wrote: someone who posts here a lot who may have been drunk when he sent me this: Um, I'm way too old to hit on you too, sorry. But you seem like a fun person. Hey wait a minute--who else is old and drunk around here? Curt Oh, there's many of you. But don't worry, you're still my favorite
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curt wrote: carabiner96 wrote: someone who posts here a lot who may have been drunk when he sent me this: Um, I'm way too old to hit on you too, sorry. But you seem like a fun person. Hey wait a minute--who else is old and drunk around here? Curt Including lurkers? *cheers* Jay
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styndall wrote: carabiner96 wrote: A sample of pm's over my membership: user1: funny post...lol. i bet u do enjoy that bulge lol jk. and u are kinda hot lol. user1(later): ur a babe why dont u write back lol It's like E. E. Cummings for the illiterate. I don't know. There is still a little punctuation in there. No quite true e.e. cummings style. But damn close.
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hangerlessbolt wrote: climbsomething wrote: cracklover wrote: climbsomething wrote: cracklover wrote: Reno, that's fucked up. GO Huh? What don't you get, Hillary? Reno thinks it's funny to drop kick users for bullshit reasons. I think that's fucked up. Is that clear enough? GO I getcha. I just didn't take him seriously. I didn't think anyone did Apparently some clueless folks did.
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cracklover wrote: Several mods jumped in to do just that. He was the only one who seemed eager to play judge, jury, and executioner before the case even came to court. That's not what I was trying to do, cracklover, and you damn well know it. Trying to read more into my post makes you look like an idiot at best. Would you feel better if I had said "Tough shit, tootsie... suck it up and get over it"? Quit acting like a jackass. If you have a problem with what I've said, or don't understand the context, perhaps you could ask me for clarification, rather than make up stupid bullshit theories. Some people....
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The funny one I got was on a different site, this one poster hated me because he was friends with my ex, although he had never seen me or talked to me he would post shit about me. Then one day I posted a picture of me and I start getting pm's from him stating im the most beautiful skychick ever and how wrong he was about me and yadda yadda yadda, all of a suddan I became perfect and he started insulting my ex. All cause he saw a picture. Apperently my picture made him see me for who I was
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In reply to: That's not what I was trying to do, Gabe, cracklover, and you damn well know it. Trying to read more into my post makes you look like an idiot at best. Would you feel better if I had said "Tough shit, tootsie... suck it up and get over it"? Quit acting like a jackass. If you have a problem with what I've said, or don't understand the context, perhaps you could ask me for clarification, rather than make up stupid bullshit theories. Is this you trying to prove that you're not aggressive, obnoxious and dictatorial? Don't you think being this defensive makes it kind of obvious that even you feel you may have overstepped the mark?
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tradman wrote: Is this you trying to prove that you're not aggressive, obnoxious and dictatorial? Don't you think being this defensive makes it kind of obvious that even you feel you may have overstepped the mark? No. What Cracklover said about me was wrong. He's making up things that will fit his nice little theory about me, and then accusing me of what he's already predetermined to be my mindset. I tried to offer some sense of security to a person who sounded offended and hurt by these PMs, yet in a way that sounded funny but not heavy handed. I could have said "If you tell me who the other person is, I shall ban them without second thought." Or, I could, and DID, try to make it somewhat light hearted. And, while it seems I failed to get that point across, to insinuate any conspiracy or make up a theory about how I feel and my attitude based on one sentence, is, well, quite a stretch. And, indeed, let the facts speak for themselves: I have banned nobody. I have kicked nobody off the site. I have handed out no punishment for this event. Res ipsa loquitur, I think the lawyers say. Finally: If it is your belief that defending my statements and position means it is "kind of obvious that even you feel you may have overstepped the mark," then you're really in need of further introspection on issues, Tradman. You'd prefer, perhaps, that I didn't defend myself when someone makes up lies about me? What would THAT say to my character? Oh, what choices I have...: Say nothing, and thus give tacit approval to anything said about me, or speak up and correct errors, which means that even I feel I may have overstepped the mark. Nice.
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reno, i got what you were saying, but the tinfoil hat conspiracy crew wants to make more out of it. geez, give it a rest guys, the paranoia is gonna get you!!!!
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I have not clicked on the link below and have no idea what sort of porn it will lead you to (my guess is gay porn, not that there is anything wrong with it). Click on it at your own risk and report back. http://www.rockhard.com
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I didn't make up any lies, Reno. And quit calling me a conspiracy theorist, macherry. I simply read what you wrote, Reno. If you didn't mean what you wrote, all you have to do is say "I didn't mean it." Case closed. Saying "I was being funny" means "I meant it, and I thought it was funny to drop kick a user". Well it's not particularly funny. I know a little about how stuff works - the fact that you haven't banned anyone does not mean that you're not overzealous in your protective instincts, it *could* mean that other mods are more level-headed, and they're making sure that things proceed as they should. I'm not saying that you *are* overzealous - I don't know you personally, I don't know your persona on the site, and I don't know your history as a moderator. I have no further knowledge about your post in the thread than your post in the thread, and that post was fucked up! If you don't get why, then I'm not getting anywhere, and I'll just drop it. I'm not interested in getting anyone in trouble, certainly not you. I figured any level-headed person would get what I was saying, but apparently not. So just forget about it. GO
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cracklover wrote: I didn't make up any lies, Reno. And quit calling me a conspiracy theorist, macherry. I simply read what you wrote, Reno. If you didn't mean what you wrote, all you have to do is say "I didn't mean it." Case closed. So all I have to do is say "I didn't mean what you think I meant"? Well, OK: I didn't mean what you think I meant. Feel better now? Moving on.....
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reno wrote: Would you feel better if I had said "Tough shit, tootsie... suck it up and get over it"? I don't think that would be a hell of a lot better, no. You go ahead and say things however you want, just don't be surprised if the users don't like it! I appreciate your wanting to sympathize with the poster. How about something like: "We take sexual harassment very seriously on rc.com. If you feel threatened by any individual, we will gladly intervene to insure that our TOS is enforced. If the guy still doesn't get the message, buh-bye." Sympathetic, with a touch of humor, but neutral in terms of who's right/wrong, and without the sense of zeal in kicking out a user based on what little was said by the OP. GO
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cracklover wrote: I didn't make up any lies, Reno. And quit calling me a conspiracy theorist, macherry. I simply read what you wrote, Reno. If you didn't mean what you wrote, all you have to do is say "I didn't mean it." Case closed. Saying "I was being funny" means "I meant it, and I thought it was funny to drop kick a user". Well it's not particularly funny. GO my conspiracy theorist remark was not directed solely at one person.There seems to be a feeling that mods are being overzealous or heavy handed since the changeover to the new site. The sexual harassment policy has been around long before i was even a mod. Reno was just stating was i has posted........just different.
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There have been several incidents where mods/owners have been heavy handed since the change over. Now I am sure you or someone are going to say define heavy handed. So I will rephrase; There have been actions by mods/owners that would not have taken place in the old RC.com. I'm not going to outline them yet again. In the mods/owners defense it seams that things are coming back to the center again. I am sure that I have been lumped into the "foil hat club" (which is pretty insulting, but I'll live) I don't think I have used the word conspiracy or have made false allegations towards anyone. Is it wrong to respectfully question the statements and acts of mods and owners without being accused of being a conspiracy theorist? I too didn't take Reno's statement as a joke. Even if it was joking about kicking someone for an unproven act its still tacky at best. I don't think anyone here is arguing the policy on harassment. Maybe people including myself are a little thin skinned and are looking for the next "example" of over moderation I will give you that. Given the acts of the past couple of weeks why wouldn't we? Mitt
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madriver
Dec 4, 2006, 6:49 PM
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to all that have been stalking and soliciting me...please stop...my dog is not dead yet. Love MaD
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macherry
Dec 4, 2006, 8:55 PM
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madriver wrote: to all that have been stalking and soliciting me...please stop...my dog is not dead yet. Love MaD i'd stop, but i can't help it haven't boiled your rabbit.....yet signed ur. stalker
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thomasribiere
Dec 4, 2006, 9:59 PM
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wjca wrote: I have not clicked on the link below and have no idea what sort of porn it will lead you to (my guess is gay porn, not that there is anything wrong with it). Click on it at your own risk and report back. http://www.rockhard.com Under Construction The site you are trying to view does not currently have a default page. It may be in the process of being upgraded and configured. Please try this site again later. If you still experience the problem, try contacting the Web site administrator.
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climbsomething
Dec 4, 2006, 11:27 PM
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jt512 wrote: curt wrote: carabiner96 wrote: someone who posts here a lot who may have been drunk when he sent me this: Um, I'm way too old to hit on you too, sorry. But you seem like a fun person. Hey wait a minute--who else is old and drunk around here? Curt Including lurkers? *cheers* Jay Did you just admit to being old?!
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j_ung
Dec 5, 2006, 12:18 AM
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cracklover wrote: reno wrote: Would you feel better if I had said "Tough shit, tootsie... suck it up and get over it"? I don't think that would be a hell of a lot better, no. You go ahead and say things however you want, just don't be surprised if the users don't like it! I appreciate your wanting to sympathize with the poster. How about something like: "We take sexual harassment very seriously on rc.com. If you feel threatened by any individual, we will gladly intervene to insure that our TOS is enforced. If the guy still doesn't get the message, buh-bye." Sympathetic, with a touch of humor, but neutral in terms of who's right/wrong, and without the sense of zeal in kicking out a user based on what little was said by the OP. GO Wouldn't use of the word "still," seem to also indicate a prejudgment of guilt?
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cracklover
Dec 5, 2006, 1:01 AM
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j_ung wrote: cracklover wrote: reno wrote: Would you feel better if I had said "Tough shit, tootsie... suck it up and get over it"? I don't think that would be a hell of a lot better, no. You go ahead and say things however you want, just don't be surprised if the users don't like it! I appreciate your wanting to sympathize with the poster. How about something like: "We take sexual harassment very seriously on rc.com. If you feel threatened by any individual, we will gladly intervene to insure that our TOS is enforced. If the guy still doesn't get the message, buh-bye." Sympathetic, with a touch of humor, but neutral in terms of who's right/wrong, and without the sense of zeal in kicking out a user based on what little was said by the OP. GO Wouldn't use of the word "still," seem to also indicate a prejudgment of guilt? Well, at least I eliminated the gleeful aspect of it. Okay, how about: "If we determine the guy is harassing you and won't stop..." You're better at this than I. Probably plenty of people would be. There are many reasons why I wouldn't want to be a mod, but one of them is that I'm not sure I'd be a very good one. I wonder... Maybe the trouble is that in matters like this, maybe it's not the best tack to be overly sympathetic to perceived accusations. GO
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reno
Dec 5, 2006, 3:12 AM
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cracklover wrote: I wonder... Maybe the trouble is that in matters like this, maybe it's not the best tack to be overly sympathetic to perceived accusations. Right. Much better to be overly critical of the accuser and blame the victim... "She asked for it." That'll work much better.
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tradman
Dec 5, 2006, 10:23 AM
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No, there's a thing called "being impartial". That means not being sympathetic or critical, and it's what you're supposed to do when you're investigating serious allegations. Again, is this your idea of a way to prove that you're a really competent mod? But showing that you don't even know that impartiality exists? Would you like to comment on why it is that you treat users' concerns with almost amazing zeal... unless they're concerns about you or other mods? It seems that those concerns get dismissed with accusations of conspiracy theories, sarcasm and excuses that you're "only joking".
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reno
Dec 5, 2006, 2:01 PM
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A lecture from tradman on being impartial.... that's irony at it's finest. You noticed, tradman, that what I've done is twist cracklover's comments into something that (I'm fairly sure) he didn't mean, then accuse him of that view without bothering to get clarification? Why, that sounds rather familiar, doesn't it?
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lisamariewillbe
Dec 5, 2006, 2:09 PM
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I love Reno ....... Isnt this horse completley rotted yet? I mean if you keep kicking it does your foots get stuck in the decayed flesh? If you dont like how Reno talks then dont suck up to him, just causes he is green doesnt mean he cant feel bias sometimes. Maybe it really gets to him when women feel wounded. I appreciate his effort to protect people. You other buttheads crack me up though
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reno
Dec 5, 2006, 8:36 PM
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tradman wrote: In reply to: A lecture from tradman on being impartial.... that's irony at it's finest. Reno, I don't have to be impartial because, well, I'm not a moderator. At least you admit it.... first step and all that.
In reply to: You are, by the way. Because you seem to have forgotten. Indeed. And you've no doubt noted that my actions have been in compliance with that impartiality. Something you're not capable of claiming, sadly.
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