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SOB will take your order but will not fill your order. I've got a buddy who is still waiting for his fly - 4 months later - and all he gets from FISH is bullshit excuses. But what really sucks is he continues to post on the internet and climb in Joshua Tree ON HIS SO CALLED "CUSTOMERS" MONEY. Funny thing is that he just doesn't care.
Hey Russ - quit being such a fuc*stick and fill the order that YOU'VE ALREADY BEEN PAID FOR!
Heads up - You'll be getting a knock on your door very soon. Money, or the fly. You choose. There is another option that we'll exercise depending on your how you choose to fill this order.
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Dec 18, 2006, 8:45 PM
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sentinel wrote: SOB will take your order but will not fill your order. I've got a buddy who is still waiting for his fly - 4 months later - and all he gets from FISH is bullshit excuses. But what really sucks is he continues to post on the internet and climb in Joshua Tree ON HIS SO CALLED "CUSTOMERS" MONEY. Funny thing is that he just doesn't care. Hey Russ - quit being such a fuc*stick and fill the order that YOU'VE ALREADY BEEN PAID FOR! Heads up - You'll be getting a knock on your door very soon. Money, or the fly. You choose. There is another option that we'll exercise depending on your how you choose to fill this order.
This isn't go to be pretty
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Dec 18, 2006, 9:31 PM
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*Sigh*
Russ ain't known for his expediency, but he was always very good about keeping me up to date and making sure his schedule didn't impact mine.
If I recall correctly he didn't bill my card until it was time to ship. I remember it posted on my account and I got an email from him the next day saying my pile-o-gear had shipped. Maybe you paid with a check?
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Dec 18, 2006, 9:33 PM
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It is great you are standing up for your buddy..... but between the hate mail you send directly (thanks for that by the way) and this childish diatribe, it makes me wonder just what your angle is? You guys dating or something?
There is nothing I would like more than to have a bunch of flys ready to go to fill orders. Do you think I just sit on completed stuff so I can take shit from the likes of you? The flys are a problem. Ask BD, ask Metolius, ask us. They will go as soon as they are ready. It is an important piece of the ledge puzzle and sending out a quickie fly just to keep your panties out of your crack is not something I would do.
Funny thing is I do care, and there are things larger than your "friends" fly that happen here.
Side note: Money or the fly is completely up to your friend. Your friend is welcome to return his ledge if that is what he wants. A small bit of advice is I don't do threats real lightly. If you want to exercise your other "options" be prepared to bring it. You may get on the porch, but you certainly ain't walking off of it.
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sentinel wrote: Heads up - You'll be getting a knock on your door very soon. Money, or the fly. You choose. There is another option that we'll exercise depending on your how you choose to fill this order.
Wow, threats on the internet. That never gets old, eh? I guess it's handy to have some documentation. As has been said, Russ is known for great products, if not blinding production speeds. If your friend didn't know, I'd guess he was about the only one.
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sentinel
Dec 18, 2006, 10:03 PM
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More bullshit excuses. Just look at this thread. You could be sewing away. It's not a complicated piece to build out. I just spoke with BD and they said your statement is not true.
In reply to: The flys are a problem. Ask BD, ask Metolius, ask us.
So quit pissin in the wind and telling us it's raining!
In reply to: there are things larger than your "friends" fly that happen here.
Yea - you climbing with his money and posting on climbing forums. ASS!
How about you fill the fucking order and get off the internet.......
And these other options are not violent - assholes. There are much more productive ways to get a pound of perverable flesh.
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Dec 18, 2006, 10:09 PM
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sentinel wrote: How about you fill the fucking order and get off the internet....... And these other options are not violent - assholes. There are much more productive ways to get a pound of perverable flesh.
How is it your buddy can't ask himself?
BTW, I only bought 1 thing from Fish/Russ and it got to me just as promised and fast. (Must have had it in stock).
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russwalling
Dec 18, 2006, 10:16 PM
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Yawn.... have your husband send his ledge back. I'm not that interested in making the fly any more. You can tell him your sugary personality did the trick. I'm sure he wil be pleased.
Then again... who is your husband? I have tons of guys waiting on flys. You can hide out behind a fake name, but the other guy that you are ranting for will need to supply some info.
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Dec 18, 2006, 10:29 PM
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In reply to: Yawn.... have your husband send his ledge back. I'm not that interested in making the fly any more. You can tell him your sugary personality did the trick. I'm sure he wil be pleased.
You fucking waste! WTF! Ya know we already expected you to respond like this - So he is prepared (He lives off Evergreen Road - Try and find it in your vast data base of customers. Or should I say suckers). And you expect us to trust you'll actually return his money. BULLSHIT!!!!!! I mean for fuck sake, someone pays you for a product and YOU get to choose if the order gets filled or not. Your business model is bullshit and if anyone is interested in purchasing this assbags products let this be a warning. I don't give a shit if Mr Balling is selling water in hell, if he can't deliver; he's of no use.
And BillCoe - He has been asking Mr Balling for his product for 4 months now. Did you not read the orginal post.
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russwalling
Dec 18, 2006, 10:40 PM
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Love the "we" in there.
Have your husband return the ledge. Money will follow. I'll let you break the news to him. I'm not kidding. Satisfied?
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Dec 18, 2006, 10:42 PM
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sentinel wrote: There are much more productive ways to get a pound of perverable flesh.
Sometimes, when I don't know a word, I just spell it like it sounds. It works great!
Good luck with the fly. Be sure to get a good eturnie.
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sentinel
Dec 18, 2006, 10:56 PM
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The "WE" I talk about is the climbing consumer who thinks he'll get his or her orders filled in a timely manner.
I can't believe you're gonna to fall on your own sword because I hurt your feelings. Waaaaaaa Waaaaa Boo hooo. Grow up asshole you have this customers hard earned money. Money that was NOT intented to sponser your climbing trips and parties.
All you did was prove a point. NEVER ORDER from FISH - Unless you are in good with him. The "husband" will be calling you soon to have you send the money first. Cause your integrity sucks.
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Dec 18, 2006, 11:00 PM
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*munches popcorn, slurps mega Icee*
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Dec 18, 2006, 11:04 PM
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Hardly falling on a sword. I just don't deal with loudmouth anonymous assholes. Too bad your "friend" has you as one.
Happy Holidays!
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Sentinel: Chill a bit. You've got a grievance, and a right to bring up that grievance, but you do NOT have the right to fill these forums with hate-filled vitrol.
Russ: Same. You've been called to the table, and you have a right to defend yourself. But again, do it with a bit more diplomacy.
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Dec 18, 2006, 11:06 PM
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Please remember to keep this civil. Whatever issues you might want to discuss, personal attacks and insults have no place here.
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Dec 18, 2006, 11:07 PM
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sentinel wrote: The "WE" I talk about is the climbing consumer who thinks he'll get his or her orders filled in a timely manner. I can't believe you're gonna to fall on your own sword because I hurt your feelings. Waaaaaaa Waaaaa Boo hooo. Grow up asshole you have this customers hard earned money. Money that was NOT intented to sponser your climbing trips and parties. All you did was prove a point. NEVER ORDER from FISH - Unless you are in good with him. The "husband" will be calling you soon to have you send the money first. Cause your integrity sucks.
"We" = the climbing community eh? I've never seen anyone else complain about him and I've surfed the boards way too much. As for integrity, you whined and threatened, and he offered to pay your friend back if he returned the product. Sounds pretty standup. Small business, specialty goods, delays are expected, man. I remember when offset aliens were hard to get ahold of. Stop complaining behind an anonymous name and have your friend deal with the situation if he/she cares that much.
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Dec 18, 2006, 11:07 PM
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Goota love the energy between Sentinal and Russ.
One, a high stress city dweller, screaming, spit flying out of his mouth ranting, whoi has been sooo terribly wronged by life.
Ex. "You SUCK Man, how can you do this to me, you deserve to DIE"
And Russ, the typical crusty desert climber. Kind, polite, and could really care less about your problems.
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jumpingrock
Dec 18, 2006, 11:13 PM
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Dude do you come on every 4 years or so just to stir up shit?
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sentinel
Dec 18, 2006, 11:19 PM
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Russ just make the transaction happen. Either send Nick the money or the Fly.
Tell us which it'll be, so the sucker who'll order in the future will know how to act accordingly.
Nick is to nice of a person and you've taken advantage of that kindness, that's why I've stepped in. I really don't care what you think of my posting - hence the reason for posting "every 4 yrs"- only when something needs to be addressed and or discussed.
Anyone who has contributed over 5000 posts needs there medication refilled.
Done
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Dec 18, 2006, 11:44 PM
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Sentinel,
Fish is not only a legendary climbing figure, but he runs a good business, with solid gear at a good price. If your going to air a grievance publicly, do it with some level of class.
Hand crafted products take longer than big box retailers, but even they run out of inventory. It can take "weeks" sometimes. Not everything is available the moment you want it.
Every time I placed an order at Fish, he let me know on the front end that there may be a wait, and I canceled my order if I was in a rush.
Marc
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Dec 18, 2006, 11:45 PM
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The funny part...the more Sentinel whines like a pathetic four year old, the more advertising he gives for one of the best companies in the climbing market. Anyone who isn't a complete newbie knows that Fish Gear rocks but you may have to wait for best deals on big wall gear. So now Sentinel has screwed his friend, probably not the first time eh, who will have to pay many times more for a ledge from Metolius or BD.
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Dec 18, 2006, 11:54 PM
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you "Mods" are waaaay too quick on the "tone it down" button.
what - the slightest hint of a threat is enough incur liability on your part?
So when Sentigal get's clocked on the Fish porch and sues everybody in sight, he'll include rc.zzzzz because you allowed the verbal blood to fly here?
pg13 is milktoast. i want hard "r" internet bitch-fests
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fenix83
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rockitjeff wrote: pg13 is milktoast. i want hard "r" internet bitch-fests
You'll have to go somewhere else to get them.
No attempt was made to censor or curb anyones opinions, we simply requested they be voices in a civil and respectful manner.
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rockitjeff wrote: you "Mods" are waaaay too quick on the "tone it down" button.
I'm sorry you feel that way.
In reply to: what - the slightest hint of a threat is enough incur liability on your part?
Actually, yes. Hasn't been brought to court in the US... yet?... but it has elsewhere.
In reply to: So when Sentigal get's clocked on the Fish porch and sues everybody in sight, he'll include rc.zzzzz because you allowed the verbal blood to fly here?
Look, let's be reasonable here. Nobody said what you are saying. We're simply asking that folks take up their issues with a bit of maturity. Maybe that's too much to ask, but we don't think so.
In reply to: pg13 is milktoast. i want hard "r" internet bitch-fests
1. It's milquetoast.
2. If you want "hard 'r' internet," there are forums that provide it.
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roy_hinkley_jr wrote: The funny part...the more Sentinel whines like a pathetic four year old, the more advertising he gives for one of the best companies in the climbing market.
I can't speak of the company, don’t aid, and didn’t know about them before today. But thanks to this thread I’ve spent the last hour thoroughly amused reading some of the shorts posted on that site under “bedtime stories”. The 3 part series on the 62’ Olds is hilarious. Now the whole site is bookmarked – I’ll probably never stray much past the stories part, but it’s good advertising none the less. Yer a good writer Russ.
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Wow this anonymous semen'al guy is a real bitch. I wonder what his husband thinks? I know Russ, he has always served me well. Russ is a stand-up guy. Anyone in the know understands that it takes time for Russ to get some of his products to customers. I've never heard of Russ screwing anyone.
Maybe semen'al swallows too much.... I KNOW WHAT IT IS, IT'S "THAT" TIME OF THE MONTH FOR HIM.
This guy really is a ball less coward. Careful Russ, he might spit on you and give you an STD!
What a pussy.
By the way, i'm not an anonymous coward.
Robert Fonda
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Dec 19, 2006, 12:15 AM
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reno wrote: Nobody said what you are saying.
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I agree with Reno--this should and can be concluded in a civil and business-like manner. I understand where Russ is coming from, I have a good friend who used to mini-manufacture for the outddor crowd and was definitely a slacker/climber first. Bottomline--this is a business transaction and if Russ cannot expediently deal with customer problems/relations then he should delegate or hire someone else to do it for him so he can concentrate on R&D and climbing.
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I agree with Jeff -- reading those posts was really entertaining. I also learned a lot in the process. For instance, most people are backing up FISH. It makes sense what people are saying about specialty companies needing extra time and not being able to have all products on hand. Sounds like Sentinel really fucked his buddy, but maybe his buddy doesn't care. If I were Russ, I honestly wouldn't have responded to Sentinels ravings.. but for my sake, I'm glad that he did. Keep ranting, people, it's fun to read!!
And for the record, I went to the FISH website because I was planning on buying a ledge before my next visit to Yosemite. Not only was I sold on FISH products after perusing their websites, but this thread also taught me that I need to order a couple months ahead of time. Sentinel, thank you bringing all of this information to light. You are responsible for sending business to FISH!! Good work!!
--Marc
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Dec 19, 2006, 12:24 AM
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marckylove wrote: Sounds like Sentinel really fucked his buddy, but maybe his buddy doesn't care.
Maybe his buddy prefers to just be a "catcher" not a "pitcher". Not that there's anything wrong with that.
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shockabuku wrote: reno wrote: Nobody said what you are saying. ????
Yeah, I didn't word that very well, did I?
Well, fuck... it made sense to me when I was typing it... that should count for something, right? 
"Nobody has said what you claim they said."
Better? Mea culpa, man.
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roy_hinkley_jr wrote: The funny part...the more Sentinel whines like a pathetic four year old, the more advertising he gives for one of the best companies in the climbing market. Anyone who isn't a complete newbie knows that Fish Gear rocks but you may have to wait for best deals on big wall gear. So now Sentinel has screwed his friend, probably not the first time eh, who will have to pay many times more for a ledge from Metolius or BD.
Yeah, I clicked the link Fish put on earlier and remembered that he's got kick assed packs, haulbags and expedition luggage very reasonable. I think I'd better buy one now and support Russ's climbing habit.
http://www.fishproducts.com/pics/swamishank.jpeg
How do ya do a picture anyway?
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This site is turning more prozac every day. Next they'll ban CAPITAL LETTERS as (too harsh).
DMT
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Sentinel this is for you... mostly its info for teens, but you can use it.
http://www.stopcyberbullying.org/index2.html
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dingus wrote: This site is turning more prozac every day. Next they'll ban CAPITAL LETTERS as (too harsh). DMT
YEAH! Hell of an idea!
And next we'll feel free to edit people's posts, route submissions, even their goddamned cuss words!
I mean, the moderators are all volunteer which of course adds insult to injury when they DO censor someone's post. I mean, who the 'ell are they, eh? I wouldn't let some of those people edit my dog sh#t, knowwhatImean?
DMT, you're fast losing much respect from many people. Don't know if you care, but thought I'd let you know. We ask that people treat other people (like Russ) with a measure of respect. You don't seem to feel that way. Pity.
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Whatever happens, don't make Fish kill you, cause he'll take forever to do it and then he'll sit on the body til it really stinks before he ships it off to the next of kin!
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Sorry things didn't work out
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reno wrote: DMT, you're fast losing much respect from many people.
Name em.
DMT
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I can just imagine the next people's court show on TV where two rock climbers are answering to judge and the whole audiences are from Rock And ICE, Climbing Magazine, full gang from Supertopo and every one else from RC.
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dingus wrote: This site is turning more prozac every day. Next they'll ban CAPITAL LETTERS as (too harsh). DMT
dingus receives fuscia tarpit for posting too many capital letters. There that will learn ya, you now can't post for 30 seconds. Harsh eh.
One more for stating that FISH gear rocks. Meh, so it takes a while to get some of it. I'm still waiting for my Alien tester but do you see me crying. When it gets done it gets done. If you want Wall Mart consumerism then fine, go to Wall Mart and buy your damn fly.
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So where is sperm burp? Did his husband make him take a timeout???
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Funniest thread ever?
Very possibly.
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After reading sentinels past posts, it is obvious that he is an asshole. Threats are common from him and shittalking is all he does. I appreciate the fact that fish will get on here and mix it up live with what appears to be some kind of total jerk. Many companies never post even though they read all the forums and let all sorts of bad press just ride out the threads with them too scared to respond. I've always got great service from fish, and the products are inexpensive and crazy bomber. What is sad is that sentinel just cost his friend about 500bucks by being a dik. Now he will have to buy a really expensive ledge. bummer for him but I understand why fish is giving them a big "fuk you". 
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Whoa, this is like on of the most exciting threads ever! Way enjoyed it, just had to point out that Russ Walling RULES, he makes the most unique and cool gear on the planet. AND he is the last person out there who is going to rip someone off. So the spraymaster who started this thread is so far out there is blows my mind...but does make for good entertainment!
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For what its worth, the first mention of a problem was today (12/18/06). Sentinel demanded (twice) that his friend recieve a refund. However, these things are not instantaneous. Furthermore, at least according to the Fish catalog, there are no flies for sale that do not come with ledges. Ergo, his friend has already recieved the ledge. Thus, Russ is being quite reasonable for asking that the ledge be sent back before he issues a refund. Unless sentinel is just trying to gig him out of some money under the guise of being an acerbic customer.
So, the reasonable thing here is that if sentinel's friend wants a refund, HE (not sentinel) should take it up with Russ. There needs to be reciepts involved. If the friend cannot prove (separate from Russ's own records) that he ever purchased said fly and ledge, and subsequently send in the ledge, then no money should be exchanged. I can't go into an REI and demand a refund for an item I purchased (like if it was missing a piece, as the case is here), if I won't turn in the item in question.
Second, Russ is right. I've watched with considerable interest the saga of Metolius trying to get their flies built. It wasn't until the last two years that you could get them, but they've been "on the market - next season" since 2001. BD has had similar issues, but they've had flies available for longer.
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reno wrote: dingus wrote: This site is turning more prozac every day. Next they'll ban CAPITAL LETTERS as (too harsh). DMT YEAH! Hell of an idea! And next we'll feel free to edit people's posts, route submissions, even their goddamned cuss words! I mean, the moderators are all volunteer which of course adds insult to injury when they DO censor someone's post. I mean, who the 'ell are they, eh? I wouldn't let some of those people edit my dog sh#t, knowwhatImean? DMT, you're fast losing much respect from many people. Don't know if you care, but thought I'd let you know. We ask that people treat other people (like Russ) with a measure of respect. You don't seem to feel that way. Pity.
Sorry you seem to take that so personally, Reno. After all, Prozac (generic fluoxetine) has it's (sic) place.
One more vote here for KILLER fish gear at great prices. And no, I'm not one of Fish's "buds" or part of his "in-crowd", just a satisfied customer.
Brutus
P.S. "Sentinel" -- Con sitter that spill Czech wont protect ewe from homonyms. Still, eh use full tool.
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"P.S. "Sentinel" -- Con sitter that spill Czech wont protect ewe from homonyms. Still, eh use full tool. "
Now that's funny! This whole thread is one of the better I've seen in a while.
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sentinel wrote: <snip> Heads up - You'll be getting a knock on your door very soon. Money, or the fly. You choose. <snip>
You challenge him and he accepts, you question his word and he offers you a refund. As to 'falling on his sword,' there is a time and place for those words... offering you a refund is hardly the same thing.
Russ (FISH Products), has conducted himself as a professional and more tactfully than most folks would. I haven't bought anything from them, but I may in the no-so-distant future.
Cheers,
Dave :)
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yeah. people being "e-tough" is always funny. never quite gotten the concept though.
sentinel: i can understand your friend being frustrated, but why are YOU so angry? name calling will get you nowhere. if your friend has a grievance, then THEY should be voicing their opinion, not you. nowhere have you indicated that your friend has previously asked for the money back. so why make claims of "the money, the fly, or else..."? and "warnings" that start off with "SOB" don't really carry too much weight with most people. i don't see a warning at all. instead, all i see is a bunch of ranting and raving from what i can only presume to be some little high school "tough guy" whose "friend" would not take proper actions to remedy the situation. of course, we don't know if they really tried because there is very little (if any actually) content to your post spaced between all of the cursing and threats.
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Yo! Semen'al stain. Where are you? I guess Daddy, oops, I mean hubby, rein you in.
Have you lost your Internet Privs????? Might I suggest your Daddy, oops, I mean hubby, try parental controls on your Internet Access?
We won't be hearing from him/her again, short of some useless, ball less explaination of his/her stance.
{EDIT} his/her is really just a moniker for COWARD!
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sentinel wrote: Heads up - You'll be getting a knock on your door very soon. Money, or the fly. You choose. There is another option that we'll exercise depending on your how you choose to fill this order.
russwalling wrote: ...Money or the fly is completely up to your friend. Your friend is welcome to return his ledge if that is what he wants. A small bit of advice is I don't do threats real lightly. If you want to exercise your other "options" be prepared to bring it. You may get on the porch, but you certainly ain't walking off of it.
fuckin' pwned. Hahahahahaha
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sentinel wrote: ...I can't believe you're gonna to fall on your own sword because I hurt your feelings. Waaaaaaa Waaaaa Boo hooo. Grow up asshole you have this customers hard earned money. Money that was NOT intented to sponser your climbing trips and parties. All you did was prove a point. NEVER ORDER from FISH - Unless you are in good with him. The "husband" will be calling you soon to have you send the money first. Cause your integrity sucks.
I'm gonna go buy some extra shit from Russ now, just 'cause it'll chafe your delicate little vagina.
Curt
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brutusofwyde wrote: Sorry you seem to take that so personally, Reno. After all, Prozac (generic fluoxetine) has it's (sic) place.
Brutus:
Nah, didn't take it personally. There's an inside joke there, and I *think* Dingus got the joke. Maybe not. Dunno.
For the record, I've no qualms about dealings with Fish products. I've not bought from them (read: I ain't no aid climber... ) but I know several folks who have, and the general consensus has been nothing short of 100% positive.
My comment earlier was only to ask for civility. Not so much to ask, really. DMT, from his post, seems to think otherwise. Diff'rent strokes, I reckon.
P.S. I'm a fan of Prozac, when used properly. It kept my only sister from suicide, and that alone is worth more than money... she's my sis, after all.
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haha great thread
I never bought anything from fish, but after this I probably will next time I need somthing.
Weres sentinal at?
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"curt wrote: I'm gonna go buy some extra shit from Russ now, just 'cause it'll chafe your delicate little vagina.
I will order some fish product as well, maybe not a fly but something.
To the dude who's fly was late, cancel the order, if the card was charged reverse it (product not recieved) but sounds like FISH don't charge till its shipped.
Although I expect someoen to be more professional, do you really want to piss the person off who's making your gear by hand ? That's like calling the chef and ass just before he cooks your food.
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Dec 19, 2006, 4:12 AM
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Nothing warms the cockles of my heart like a good ol' flame war bitch fest. God Bless us, everyone!
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secretninja wrote: Nothing warms the cockles of my heart like a good ol' flame war bitch fest. God Bless us, everyone!
*Beavis laugh*
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I've actually got a portaledge ordered for next year; I ordered it about a year ahead of time and told Russ when I would need it.
Russ responds quickly to my emails.
I really hope your buddy follows your advice and returns the ledge and I get his fly. Did he order a double? That would be very excellent.
I order fish gear because his products are the best and come recomended highly/completely by friends I have great respect for and are vastly more experienced than me.
Rei is open every day 9-5 and stocked to the gills with stuff I don't need. Maybe you should cruise by and ask to have them hook you up.
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Dec 19, 2006, 2:19 PM
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reno wrote: My comment earlier was only to ask for civility. Not so much to ask, really. DMT, from his post, seems to think otherwise.
"WE only *ask* for civility."
So sayeth the Enforcer.
DMT
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Dec 19, 2006, 2:27 PM
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dingus wrote: reno wrote: My comment earlier was only to ask for civility. Not so much to ask, really. DMT, from his post, seems to think otherwise. "WE only *ask* for civility." So sayeth the Enforcer.
I'm sure you can point out examples where I've had to intervene more than just asking people to be nice, DMT.
In fact, why don't you go right ahead and give everyone a list of people, times, and dates that I've kicked someone out, handed out a ban, and so forth.
Go ahead... show us the list.
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reno wrote: Go ahead... show us the list.
Tell you what reno old son, you're right. You only want civility.
Cheers,
DMT
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dingus wrote: reno wrote: DMT, you're fast losing much respect from many people. Name em. DMT
Me.
You're working for the site doing gear reviews, taking the equipment that comes your way down the pipeline, all while putting John -- who has steered well clear of any moderating whatsoever -- in an extremely awkward position. He's done nothing but go to bat for you since your mouth grew wide, and yet it keeps getting wider. I'm sure you have a way to justify it, but to me it appears to be a conflict of interest on your part.
There's more. Where once I thought you were funny and interesting, you now sound shrill and repetetive to me. Where once I thought you were civil and thick skinned, you now seem overly sensetive and willing to flame at the drop if a hat. You do it almost every single post -- even though nobody has done what you say they're going to do... or have done... I admit, it's difficult to dicipher your opinion on that....
dingus on Supertopo wrote: They're not back to censoring, er, moderating everyones' posts yet, but give them time!
And then...
dingus on Supertopo wrote: The moderators are all volunteer which of course adds insult to injury when they DO censor someone's post. I mean, who the 'ell are they, eh? I wouldn't let some of those people edit my dog sh#t, knowwhatImean?
Your angst is over something that hasn't happened? Am I close?
I respected everything about you on this site, including your willingness to stand up for what you believed in, because you did it with such flare. I know you and I don't agree on RC.com-related issues -- that isn't what I'm talking about here. I'm talking about the way you have begun to express your opinions. You sound more like a garden-variety troll than the dingus milquetoast I once looked up to. And now here you are, complaining about heavyhanded moderation in a thread in which moderators have taken a distinctly light hand by asking people to keep it civil. No posted censored. No posts edited.
Throw me a bone dingus, if for no other reason than for the respect that I think we once had for each other. Explain to me what, exactly, you're so upset about? Nobody has censored your opinions about the site, even though they aren't exactly expressed maturely these days. (I believe you called them a bunch of fucking skydivers, and still no editing or censoring!)
I once went to bat for you, too, when a certain admin who is no longer around much attacked you as a broken down, cantankerous hasbeen with no place on the booty crew. It was worth it then, because that person was flat-out wrong. But if I were still running the Booty Crew, I'd have little choice but to at least reconsider my stance.
Bring back the old dingus! The one who expressed his opinions like the true writer he is! He was interesting and I could be swayed easily by his arguments. In the meantime, the new dingus can bite the same dogshit the mods aren't fit to edit, knowwhatImean?
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I'm thinking Turd Ferguson needs to step in and "moderate" this discussion.
Russ is a quality act. His gear rocks. It sucks you won't be getting your fly.
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I've never ordered from Fish, but I know several who have and continue to do so happily. If I were Russ, I would totally post a link to this thread on his website. 
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j_ung wrote: You're working for the site doing gear reviews, taking the equipment that comes your way down the pipeline, all while putting John -- who has steered well clear of any moderating whatsoever -- in an extremely awkward position.
That problem is solved. The only reason I did submit it was a personal obligation to vegastradguy. That obligation started and ended with gear reviews; started and ended with vegastradguy. And now that obligation has been fulfilled.
I NEVER worked for RC.COM. Never. I worked for vegastradguy and you in turn.
You will note I kept all rancor and negativity out of that review and subsequent posts. I DELIVERED.
DMT
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Wow, Battle Royal. First Sentinel jumps in to the ring and calls out Fish products, in true WWF sh!t-talking fashion. Russ runs out of the audience and hops into the ring for a little squaring off. After a couple a minutes the crowd grows restless and jumps in on the action, pouncing on Sentinel. Reno steps in to ref, tries to throw a yellow card and a little mano a mano erupts between him and Dingus. The camera pans back to the gang fight on Sentinel for awhile when J_ung runs into the ring and hits Dingus over the back with a folding chair.
Man, Monday Night Smackdown... intense. I want some action. [DA looks around for an innocent bystander, spots Pmyche minding his own business]. You... yeah you, Pmyche... ummmm, “You suck”.
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devils_advocate wrote: Wow, Battle Royal... Man, Monday Night Smackdown....
Don't make me climb the corner post, fly through the air, and bring down the Hammer of Thor on your ass.
(Well, OK. More like a ball peen hammer, but I've got this visual image, and it includes the Hammer of Thor. Work with me.)
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devils_advocate wrote: Wow, Battle Royal. First Sentinel jumps in to the ring and calls out Fish products, in true WWF sh!t-talking fashion. Russ runs out of the audience and hops into the ring for a little squaring off. After a couple a minutes the crowd grows restless and jumps in on the action, pouncing on Sentinel. Reno steps in to ref, tries to throw a yellow card and a little mano a mano erupts between him and Dingus. The camera pans back to the gang fight on Sentinel for awhile when J_ung runs into the ring and hits Dingus over the back with a folding chair. Man, Monday Night Smackdown... intense. I want some action. [DA looks around for an innocent bystander, spots Pmyche minding his own business]. You... yeah you, Pmyche... ummmm, “You suck”.
OMG, thats the funniest post I've seen in a long time! 
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devils_advocate wrote: Wow, Battle Royal. First Sentinel jumps in to the ring and calls out Fish products, in true WWF sh!t-talking fashion. Russ runs out of the audience and hops into the ring for a little squaring off. After a couple a minutes the crowd grows restless and jumps in on the action, pouncing on Sentinel. Reno steps in to ref, tries to throw a yellow card and a little mano a mano erupts between him and Dingus. The camera pans back to the gang fight on Sentinel for awhile when J_ung runs into the ring and hits Dingus over the back with a folding chair. Man, Monday Night Smackdown... intense. I want some action. [DA looks around for an innocent bystander, spots Pmyche minding his own business]. You... yeah you, Pmyche... ummmm, “You suck”.
D_A, I'd love to give you a trophy or three, alas, this is the best i can do:
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you know, I find the attempts to somehow 'shame' any dissent around here more pathetic than anything else.
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What makes you think I was shaming him? I thought his rundown was hilarious and tried to give him a "trophy" for it, (it kinda looked like one in the preview). You do realize that beside being and evil mod I am also a regular user, right?
-F
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caughtinside wrote: you know, I find the attempts to somehow 'shame' any dissent around here more pathetic than anything else.
AGREED
it's almost like someone read the liberal comminazi playbook
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I heard of your company and have heard that you are a very reputable sales person. Could you please direct me to your website so I can buy something and experience first hand the quality of your company?
Thanks
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what is a fly, climbing speaking??? It's the first time I hear that. Is this aid climbing related?
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fenix83 wrote: What makes you think I was shaming him? I thought his rundown was hilarious and tried to give him a "trophy" for it, (it kinda looked like one in the preview). You do realize that beside being and evil mod I am also a regular user, right? -F
I think he was talking about me, Fenix.
Dave, c'mon... Even the use of the word "dissent," makes this seem like the owners are some sort of repressive government and the "dissenters" are heroic freedom fighters. Is that how you view yourselves? Disagreeing is fine. Being an asshole about it is lame. It means you let some changes to a website dictate how you treat other people. It really is that simple.
dingus wrote: You will note I kept all rancor and negativity out of that review and subsequent posts. I DELIVERED.
In spactacular fashion. It's an outstanding example of exactly what I was talking about above. When you write like Dingus Milquetoast, I listen. When you insult people for a reason that doesn't exist, I turn off.
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just thought I'd add to this thread some personal experience from several years ago....
I ordered a ledge andd fly from Fish, gave him a set date that I was leaving on a roadtrip. I think I placed the order perhaps five months in advance. Came down to my departure time, I emailed him, he emailed back, telling me essentially to "chill out." I cancelled the order. My credit card was never billed.
that is all.
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j_ung wrote: When you write like Dingus Milquetoast, I listen.
That's good to know.
Uh... who's Dingus Milquetoast?
DMT
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dbrayack wrote: I heard of your company and have heard that you are a very reputable sales person. Could you please direct me to your website so I can buy something and experience first hand the quality of your company? Thanks
I confess I have trouble telling when you're serious. Russ has a link to his site in his signature, but here it is again: http://www.fishproducts.com/. From what I hear it's good stuff, and not all wall-related.
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An elegant and refined dingus milktoast.
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ok jay. Maybe 'dissent' wasn't the best word choice on my part.
But whatever! I don't really need to rehash all those issues up here again. I actually thought dingus's story about the company that got purchased pretty much sums up how I feel about this site these days.
but to attempt to 'shame' someone for speaking their mind is like, super-lame. I wasn't just thinking of you in this thread, reno's been running that angle for a while now. Implying we should all be really really grateful, shaming us for aruging in a thread about dead people that really wasn't about dead people, etc.
It's galling when someone tries to assume some sort of moral authority, when you don't think they have it.
Does that remind you of anything?
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thomasribiere wrote: what is a fly, climbing speaking??? It's the first time I hear that. Is this aid climbing related?
A fly is used on a portaledge when you expect bad weather. A portaledge (from the rc.com dictionary) is a "portable and colapsable ledge used for sleeping on a big wall or multi-pitch climb requiring more than one day to complete."
It's like a rainfly for a tent, only specially designed for a ledge.
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thomasribiere wrote: what is a fly, climbing speaking??? It's the first time I hear that. Is this aid climbing related?
I believe it's just a rain fly similar to one for a tent, only for a ledge. I dunno, unfortunately I never stray far enough from my car when I climb to warrant one.
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oh great thanks, I was definitely wondering.
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caughtinside wrote: ok jay. Maybe 'dissent' wasn't the best word choice on my part. But whatever! I don't really need to rehash all those issues up here again. I actually thought dingus's story about the company that got purchased pretty much sums up how I feel about this site these days. but to attempt to 'shame' someone for speaking their mind is like, super-lame. I wasn't just thinking of you in this thread, reno's been running that angle for a while now. Implying we should all be really really grateful, shaming us for aruging in a thread about dead people that really wasn't about dead people, etc. It's galling when someone tries to assume some sort of moral authority, when you don't think they have it. Does that remind you of anything?
The time our puddle jumper crashed in Antarctica you tried to eat that baby? I full on had to call you babymuncher to get you to stop. It worked though, didn't it. We ate the old lady, instead. She was little gamey, but that salt you dug out of the luggage sure did the trick.
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j_ung wrote: An elegant and refined dingus milktoast.
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
THAT'S
FUNNY!
Cheers dude
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caughtinside wrote: but to attempt to 'shame' someone for speaking their mind is like, super-lame. I wasn't just thinking of you in this thread, reno's been running that angle for a while now. Implying we should all be really really grateful, shaming us for aruging in a thread about dead people that really wasn't about dead people, etc.
Yeah, caughtinside.... that's it. You've busted me. Sure as hell.
All this "Can't ya just argue with some respect for each other?" is really a subliminal "You Will Conform" message. Don't mind that flickering of your computer screen.... and there really isn't any low-volume whistle coming from the speakers, either.
Here's the funny thing: YOU are free to speak your mind, voice an opinion, criticize anyone, and then you claim you're exercising your rights.
When I try to speak my mind, voice my opinion, or criticize anyone, you claim I'm a puppet for the man.
That's some logic, pal.
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dbrayack
Dec 19, 2006, 7:08 PM
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I must have turned my "signature view" off.
Thanks for the info.
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caughtinside
Dec 19, 2006, 7:11 PM
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hah! nice jay. that baby did look so warm and tender though.
say, did you see my post in community yesterday about that gift I got you a couple years ago?
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devils_advocate
Dec 19, 2006, 7:12 PM
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dbrayack wrote: I must have turned my "signature view" off. Thanks for the info.
Do you have any idea how many witty one-liners you're missing out on everyday?? At least two, maybe three.
Ok, that was a lie. I guess you're not missing anything now that Mowz doesn't have the girls in his sig anymore.
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dbrayack
Dec 19, 2006, 7:17 PM
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Man, I have them turned on, but I'm not seeing them........i have no idea whats going on shrug, maybe a bug.
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thomasribiere
Dec 19, 2006, 7:29 PM
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Flamefest then hijack. Everything is OK.
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dbrayack
Dec 19, 2006, 7:31 PM
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You know...I get that a lot.
We were out doing a new route and my buddy found a way around an all points throw for the last move on a route (he unearthed a pocket).
I said: "HRMPFHHFOPHF $%&*$ Dang it, I'm gonna have to come out and fill in that pocket!" and then I walked away.
A few minutes later, the group asked me if I was serious......."OF COURSE NOT!!!!"
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dbrayack
Dec 19, 2006, 7:33 PM
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does that mean I should see signatures? I have them on, but am not seeing them 
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thomasribiere
Dec 19, 2006, 7:37 PM
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a photographer with sight problems, that's annoying!
edited 'cause I don't have my glasses on, and I'm doing more typos than usual.
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dbrayack
Dec 19, 2006, 7:46 PM
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Nice one punk! 
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j_ung
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dingus wrote: j_ung wrote: An elegant and refined dingus milktoast. Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! THAT'S FUNNY! Cheers dude DMT
Cheers back, and FWIW, I haven't lost all respect for you. I'll miss your reviews, but if makes you happier, I think stepping down was a good choice... a choice I respect.
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dingus
Dec 19, 2006, 8:34 PM
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Let it go man. Just let it go.
DMT
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dfoote07
Dec 19, 2006, 9:25 PM
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A couple of months ago, I ordered a Haul bag and he got it to me rushed, and everything was great. Just call him, or email him. things will work out.
Derek
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tim
Dec 19, 2006, 10:11 PM
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angry wrote: This isn't go to be pretty
A long time ago, more or less before the interwebs, there was wreck.climbing.
And Russ was there, and lo, shit were TIGHT:
http://groups.google.com/...m=2#a225bedb448d7203
In reply to: > Nice to see A5/TNF using such upstanding people in their organization. > Maybe these sorts will give the "TNF Dream Team" the hard edge they seek > instead of just polluting the local campus with pricey jackets. > Criminal activity, even in a TNF jacket, is not something to be proud > of, nor to trumpet to the world in the hopes of being "rad". Osman is > out of control and as his friend you should find him some help. > Dave Say Dave......a guy in a FISH T-Shirt killed a drifter once just to get an erection. I thought that was pretty "rad". Russ (PS: nice Dano story. I bet this is one of his mild ones)
Mind you, this was Russ standing up for his COMPETITION.
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thomasribiere
Dec 19, 2006, 10:53 PM
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ahah; I will order the resusable model. SO other climbers can use it and trust it : if it worked for me, it will work for them!
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j_ung wrote: Cheers back, and FWIW, I haven't lost all respect for you. I'll miss your reviews, but if makes you happier, I think stepping down was a good choice... a choice I respect.
Dayum Jay...
After a lengthy personal attack, you come back with a public proclamation basically saying "gee willakers, I think you're swell".
Yeeeeck!
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j_ung
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thorne wrote: j_ung wrote: Cheers back, and FWIW, I haven't lost all respect for you. I'll miss your reviews, but if makes you happier, I think stepping down was a good choice... a choice I respect. Dayum Jay... After a lengthy personal attack, you come back with a public proclamation basically saying "gee willakers, I think you're swell". Yeeeeck!
[Sinatra]Regrets... I've had a few...[/Sinatra]
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thomasribiere
Dec 20, 2006, 3:32 PM
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oh! thorne!
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markc
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tradman wrote: From Fish's web site: In reply to: Another reason is putting your money behind a real climbing company with real people who appreciate your business and depend on your continued business in order to eat dinner tomorrow. You think the CEO of The North Face gives two shakes whether you buy a ledge? Don't count on it. Looks like Russ is going to have to change that particular mission statement. How about, "another reason is putting your money into a real climbing company run by a real climber who really couldn't care less whether you get what you pay for and is happy to say so to your face or on the internet. You think the CEO of Fish gives two shakes whether you pay for a ledge? Of course he does. He depends on your business to eat dinner tomorrow. He couldn't care less whether you actually get a ledge because that doesn't affect him at all, in fact it's cheaper for him to just not bother".
I thought I'd point out a little blurb you (or the OP's friend) might have missed:
In reply to: Need a ledge??? ORDER NOW AND WE AIN'T KIDDING!!!! If you plan on having a FISH ledge this summer, order quick. A5/Anker has tossed in the towel and that means your choices are once again limited... this means we will be selling more ledges. This means your wait could be long and painful, like months. Get your order in now for Summer!
Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't want someone to cash my check and not send my order shortly thereafter. It sounds like the orderer received the ledge without the fly, which is a bit of a different story. If this announcement was on Russ' site when the guy ordered, it sounds like fair warning. I don't know what has gone on outside of this thread, but Russ has offered a refund. From all accounts, it sounds like you need to be patient if you're ordering Fish products. Again, I don't think that's unknown to most people. I don't know Russ, and I'm not trying to defend him. I just think some of you are going over the deep end.
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sentinel
Dec 20, 2006, 8:16 PM
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http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.html?topic_id=295397
Bump.
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boku
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devils_advocate wrote: Wow, Battle Royal. First Sentinel jumps in to the ring and calls out Fish products, in true WWF sh!t-talking fashion. Russ runs out of the audience and hops into the ring for a little squaring off. After a couple a minutes the crowd grows restless and jumps in on the action, pouncing on Sentinel. Reno steps in to ref, tries to throw a yellow card and a little mano a mano erupts between him and Dingus. The camera pans back to the gang fight on Sentinel for awhile when J_ung runs into the ring and hits Dingus over the back with a folding chair. Man, Monday Night Smackdown... intense. I want some action. [DA looks around for an innocent bystander, spots Pmyche minding his own business]. You... yeah you, Pmyche... ummmm, “You suck”.
I think I'll get me some popcorn and see if a hockey game breaks out...
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sentinel wrote: http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.html?topic_id=295397 Bump.
you bumped this why? you're getting reamed out by both Fish AND your friend that you fucked over LOL
I don't think Fish owes these guys anything other than his money back and a wave good bye. people who resort to personal attacks and threats of violence should not expect anything more.
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boombewm
Dec 21, 2006, 2:52 AM
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have you noticed this thread has been hijacked?
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Hey Russ, if you end up sending this guy a refund...I hope you whipe your ass with the receipt before you send it to him!
What a douche! If your gonna rip on a company, structure your argument so it doesn't come across like a fuckin temper-tantrum. Your anger and threats make me doubt every last thing you've said.
To those that doubt Russ, just take a look at the info that he's posted and keeps on his site.
I bet your having a hard time drinkin' all those beers people are buying you now!
As for stopping somone at the porch...might I suggest the Benelli M4? http://www.benelliusa.com/firearms/m4.tpl
Cheers,
Jim
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boombewm
Dec 21, 2006, 8:00 AM
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hmmmm.....
T6?
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madrock
Dec 21, 2006, 5:51 PM
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I'm just happy to see all the anger, hostility, humor, abuse, fun and games not being leveled at me for a change. Keep up the good work.
Joe
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sentinel wrote: http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.html?topic_id=295397 Bump.
Right on! Bhhhhuuuummmmpppp! dude
http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.html?topic_id=295397&msg=297275#msg297275
DMT
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Dec 21, 2006, 6:07 PM
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madrock wrote: I'm just happy to see all the anger, hostility, humor, abuse, fun and games not being leveled at me for a change. Keep up the good work. Joe
jimdavis to thread!!! jimdavis to thread!!!
Just wait, you'll have your turn.
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jakedatc wrote: I don't think Fish owes these guys anything other than his money back and a wave good bye. people who resort to personal attacks and threats of violence should not expect anything more.
WELL 4 MONTHS IS A LONG TIME!
Realisticaly, I hope Russ is telling these folks the lenght of time a transaction on one of these could take, I'd want to get them both shipped at the same time too.
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On another rant:
I've been thinking of ordering a FISH chalkbag for over 5 months now, seriously thinking about it I mean, and haven't heard a damn thing about it from Fish. No phone calls and e-mails.
I would have a pair of Russian Aiders too but he still hasn't made the hooks. I have been thinking about ordering these for almost a year now cause the aiders are so beautiful.
This is just fuc&*ed up consumerism.
Both Ujahn and I could have used a pair 4 weeks ago when we got our asses kicked all over the Monkey Face in 30+ MPG winds and in freezing temps too. Since I haven't gottne around to ordering the stuff for so long, you'd have thought I'd have heard from SOMEBODY at Fish. Well, maybe his thread is a good start.
Big Rant: How come Mowz got rid of the Mowz beer keg dancers anyway? This site is going to hell I tell you.
Now....what were we discussing?
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Dec 21, 2006, 8:00 PM
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sentinel wrote: blahblahblah
Some Chris Miller's play football and have a half decent NFL career. Some climb and just get more sorry ass the fatter and balder he gets.
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jimdavis
Dec 21, 2006, 9:21 PM
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angry wrote: madrock wrote: I'm just happy to see all the anger, hostility, humor, abuse, fun and games not being leveled at me for a change. Keep up the good work. Joe jimdavis to thread!!! jimdavis to thread!!! Just wait, you'll have your turn.
haha, no, if I wanted to do that I'd just bump that thread back up to the top.
Besides I've already been watching this thread for a while...not gonna hijack a totally un-related thread.
The difference here is most people are speaking up for Russ.
Cheers,
Jim
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I feel so much better now.  .
Joe
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jimdavis wrote: The difference here is most people are speaking up for Russ. Cheers, Jim
So you're on the bandwagon. Nice job.
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Any update on this? Did Santa bring Sentinel's buddy a ledge for Christmas or just a big lump of coal? Or perhaps a switch kick in the junk? Not that I am promoting violence; but I'm just sayin...
N.
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Coal.
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BTW, I've was thinking of ordering some Valley Giants from Tom Kasper.
And I did it.
Now that's consumer service!
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This thread is just what I needed to get me off my ass. I am healing from shoulder surgery that will never allow my free climbing level to advance beyond what it currently is. This has me getting ready to do some grade VI stuff starting in summer 08 and I know I will not purchase the big wall stuff anywhere else, and for good reason.
I will need a ledge to sleep on but the fly will be to save my life, or at least a visit from Warner B. When the shit hits the fan I want my safety gear made by someone who has my best interest at heart,(read only proper materials), and not just a sale, read(fast service of a fly that may or may not hold off a storm on a big rock). I am more interested in never getting my ass dead than having my shit in the garage just hanging around to show off for my buddies to oooh and aaah at. I would rather sweat it out on a 9 month wait, down to a last minute deadline, to get a good working piece, maybe even ugly colors, make that definitely ugly colors, Cause I know Russ is good to his word on deadlines, if he says you'll have it by then I trust that he will make it happen. Just the type of guy his friends know that he is. When it hits the fan, this is the equipment I want sheltering me from the beyond, not some fast good looking, maybe weather proof fashionable ledge, made in who knows where by who knows what kind of craftsman.
When the money gets freed up this spring Russ will see my order and if he says I'll have my stuff i will just bite the bullet with my wants and just put in the wait that it takes to get the right equipment. Thanks Sentinel for being such a big mouthed bad friend to your buddy and helping me get my stuff ordered soon enough for the 08 season.
Probably even going to have to get a bottle in the mail too, what kind of booze was it he likes, ( No strings attached here Russ), just like to lube the friction.
Bob
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