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shimanilami
May 31, 2007, 8:45 PM
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It seems to me that any of the options that have been suggested - Yosemite, college, Army, etc. - are better than staying where you are. What have you got to lose? What's holding you back?
The only real mistake you can make is to remain in Crescent City, where nothing will change, and where your passion will only stagnate.
Embrace change. Follow your passion. If it is climbing, then there is a large community out there that will welcome and support you.
(And if you are in Yosemite, don't bother looking for climbing courses. Just go to Camp 4 and ask around. Someone will be willing to let you tag along. (Offering beer or portering services helps a lot with this.))
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ridgeclimber
May 31, 2007, 9:33 PM
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Well played.
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scuclimber
Jun 1, 2007, 6:22 AM
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superbum wrote: hugin wrote: College: The New High School  It's also a good way to rack up a buch of debt (loans...) so when you get out of college you owe a shit ton of $$$ then you are forced to jump into a career right away to pay off your loans and BANG they gotcha...odds are you think you have fallen in love while at school and she's either pregnant by now or wants to get married etc, so you are doubly fucked. College...not for everyone.
Word. I'm on the short road to success at a great undergraduate school and now a top-tier law school (K-J.D.) and I'm gonna be strapped with loans when I finish school and have to start working long hours immediately. I may be making $100K+ almost immediately, but I'll have about $170k in loans. Do the Math. As Magnus said, take that year off (or more). The Aussies (and other Commonwealth folks) have it down the best. And yeah, with chicks: fall in love, but don't knock her up or think that the first one, no matter how much you love her, is the one. Trust me. Have fun. (Oh , and if you make it down to the Bay Area and I'm not uber-busy, I'd be happy to take you out and show you some things that I've learned in my limited climbing experience.)
Cheers.
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hugin
Jun 1, 2007, 3:32 PM
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scuclimber wrote: Word. I'm on the short road to success at a great undergraduate school and now a top-tier law school (K-J.D.) and I'm gonna be strapped with loans when I finish school and have to start working long hours immediately. I may be making $100K+ almost immediately, but I'll have about $170k in loans. Do the Math.
OK.
If you're making an even $100k, you'll probably be bringing home ballpark $65k. I'll assume you live in an expensive urban area, which means, say, $1200/month in rent for a modest 1 br apartment. Based on my own expenses (which also involve supporting my wife), that'll put you at about $3000/month in total expenses, accounting for food, car, and play. That's $36k/year, which leaves you with about $30k/year to save, invest, and pay down debt. If you put that all into your student loans, you'll be doing nothing but paying down debt for probably the next 7 or 8 years, loosely accounting for interest and salary growth. Dude. You're a slave.
On the other hand, I worked hard through school (full time engineering + 2 jobs), took out moderate loans, and went to a state school. I came out with about $20k in debt, and a couple extra thousand on credit cards. My starting salary was only $45k, but I've seen very good growth, and I'm living a very comfortable life and only paying about $200/month to my student loans ... I'm otherwise debt free. On top of that I have an awesome job (I build science satellites) that I love doing, plenty of time to climb, and plenty of disposable income for climbing gear (if you ignore that whole saving thing).
Just sayin' ... you don't have to get a six-figure JD for school to really be worth it. In fact, quite the opposite - you're the extreme case. But, the point is a good one that noone should go accumulate all that debt and stress for no good reason. Have a direction before you do it, and be sure that you're on a path you want to be on, which is why the time off is a great idea.
In reply to: As Magnus said, take that year off (or more). The Aussies (and other Commonwealth folks) have it down the best. And yeah, with chicks: fall in love, but don't knock her up or think that the first one, no matter how much you love her, is the one. Trust me. Have fun. (Oh , and if you make it down to the Bay Area and I'm not uber-busy, I'd be happy to take you out and show you some things that I've learned in my limited climbing experience.) Cheers.
Just to defend my own decisions ... sometimes sticking it out with a woman pays off, so don't throw out something good just because you imagine there might be greener pastures. There are always other pastures, but they're rarely greener. Just remember that everyone is damaged in some way ... if you leave a woman because she's fucking nuts, doesn't mean the next one won't be off her rocker, too. You just have to ask yourself, "can I deal with *this* crazy for the rest of my life?" and "what crazy *can* I live with?" (please note that this advice is not meant to be gender specific ... in fact, quite the opposite.)
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jdouble
Jun 1, 2007, 4:38 PM
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My first child is on the way, so I guess I should get some internet parenting practice in now. What would I tell my 18 year old son.............
(These are in order of importance.)
1. Realize how lucky you are. You have options, most people in this world do not. I believe squandering those opportunities is an insult to those that have none.
2. Give yourself outs. It is important to think about where you want to be in ten years, twenty years, thirty years.............. but probably more important to realize that in 5 years this might all change drastically. It probably will. BALANCE what you want to do now while keeping your opportunities down the road open.
3. You seem like a great writer. Go compare salaries for ditch diggers vs. editors vs. travel writers vs............. Working from the neck up usually pays better and is easier on the body.
Now go make some choices, live life, and come back to me in 5 years so I can see if any of this advice works. Yes, you are my lab rat.
Good Luck
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climb_eng
Jun 1, 2007, 4:50 PM
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I love your rant. Ignore what everyone who talks about responsibility, college, etc. Fundamentally, what do you see as more likely: regreting doing it, or regreting not doing it. There my friend is your answer!
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chossmonkey
Jun 1, 2007, 9:53 PM
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Go climb!
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time2clmb
Jun 2, 2007, 1:04 AM
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In reply to: I'm on the short road to success at a great undergraduate school and now a top-tier law schoo
A success at what? Making more money so you can buy nicer things? Just what the world needs...another laywer. Yeah, real success LMAO.
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scuclimber
Jun 4, 2007, 2:16 AM
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time2clmb wrote: In reply to: I'm on the short road to success at a great undergraduate school and now a top-tier law schoo A success at what? Making more money so you can buy nicer things? Just what the world needs...another laywer. Yeah, real success LMAO.
Do you know me?
Maybe I should have put that statement in quotes to avoid such misreadings. I didn't think anybody would actually read it so closely and scrutinize it beyond what I was trying to say to the kid. I actually do want to be an attorney, and not just to make money. Hopefully to actually do something in the world that most people would find noble, but yeah go ahead and make the stereotypical "attorneys are jerks, we don't need any more of them" comment.
And hugin, yeah I've done the math re: paying things off and whatnot. I worked all through college too, although went to a private school, hence the loans. I was just giving an example of how things can work out. I did ski over 30 days this season, even in such a shitty year, so I can't really complain. It's right after finals, so it's been a rollercoaster recently. Overall, it's been a good experience and I'm happy with the decision, but many find the first year of law school to be somewhat schizophrenic.
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climbsomething
Jun 4, 2007, 3:02 AM
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jdouble wrote: 3. You seem like a great writer. Go compare salaries for ditch diggers vs. editors vs. travel writers vs............. Working from the neck up usually pays better and is easier on the body.
HAHAHAHAHAHA
HA... HA...
*hiccups*
*pees a little*
If you want money, dig the ditch. Or work at In-n-Out. I am not being facetious.
And hell, if digging ditches or slangin' fries is satisfying, even better. For me, writing is satisfying, intellectually. But I eat a lot of cereal and egg noodles for dinner.
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curt
Jun 4, 2007, 3:18 AM
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climbsomething wrote: ...And hell, if digging ditches or slangin' fries is satisfying, even better. For me, writing is satisfying, intellectually. But I eat a lot of cereal and egg noodles for dinner...
I've heard things can improve substantially after your first Pulitzer, though.
Curt
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climbsomething
Jun 4, 2007, 3:22 AM
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curt wrote: climbsomething wrote: ...And hell, if digging ditches or slangin' fries is satisfying, even better. For me, writing is satisfying, intellectually. But I eat a lot of cereal and egg noodles for dinner... I've heard things can improve substantially after your first Pulitzer, though. Curt
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curt
Jun 4, 2007, 3:32 AM
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climbsomething wrote: curt wrote: climbsomething wrote: ...And hell, if digging ditches or slangin' fries is satisfying, even better. For me, writing is satisfying, intellectually. But I eat a lot of cereal and egg noodles for dinner... I've heard things can improve substantially after your first Pulitzer, though. Curt Until then, it's your responsibility to buy me steak.
Fine, as long as after the Pulitzer the steaks are on you. I see this as an investment in my future--something like a supplemental retirement plan.
Curt
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time2clmb
Jun 4, 2007, 6:09 AM
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In reply to: Hopefully to actually do something in the world that most people would find noble
Well, I sincerely hope you stay true to that. Guess you are one of the rare ones.
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jdouble
Jun 4, 2007, 5:16 PM
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climbsomething wrote: jdouble wrote: 3. You seem like a great writer. Go compare salaries for ditch diggers vs. editors vs. travel writers vs............. Working from the neck up usually pays better and is easier on the body. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHA HA... HA... *hiccups* *pees a little* If you want money, dig the ditch. Or work at In-n-Out. I am not being facetious. And hell, if digging ditches or slangin' fries is satisfying, even better. For me, writing is satisfying, intellectually. But I eat a lot of cereal and egg noodles for dinner.
LOL. I knew a writer was going to call me on that one.
At least you might get a steak or two out of Curt.
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8flood8
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dnc gives you like 1 day off a week.
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superbum
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Buy a cheap toyota and drive until it breaks down.
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