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IndustryGuy
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Straight from a press release sent to climbing mags, retailers and international distributors. Joe Garland (sales manager of Mad Rock who quit 3 weeks ago) is now heading that very same company, which is now renamed "Climb X." Seems like the old fox was laying low and spreading some disinformation of his own around, but he has the backing of the factory, and Young Chu, the former President of Mad Rock, is now out of a job. Don't ask me where I got this, but here is the entire press release: PRESS RELEASE FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Garland Announces New Position with Renamed Climbing Company Former Mad Rock director to become President of Climb X, Mad Rock's parent company and manufacturer PORTLAND, OR February 5, 2010: Joseph Garland, a founding member of Mad Rock Climbing since its inception in 2002 who announced his departure from the company in early January has returned to the industry, and is now working for Mad Rock's parent company and manufacturer. Three of Mad Rock's original partners: Alex Kim, Ken Kim and Joe Garland will continue the business under the new name "Climb X," with Joe Garland being named its new President. Original Mad Rock President and partner Young Chu will retain the Mad Rock name, but is no longer a member of this group. Climb X will assume the former Mad Rock operation, its distributors, most of its sales reps, international staff, warehouse, factory & production, and product development facility, as well as its Chinese and international warehouse facilities. Joe Garland, who was responsible for most of the newer products developed at Mad Rock, will be working out of offices in Portland Oregon, with satellite offices in Munich, Germany and Beijing, China. Joe Garland will be at the ISPO trade show in Munich Germany from February 7-10 2010 in Hall A4, Booth 118 (Everest GMBH booth) for meetings and to answer questions. NEW ENVIRONMENT Climb X stock will be available in early March for dealers and distributors from a relocated distribution center in Las Vegas, Nevada. The logistics of relocating the offices and DC are geared for quicker access to the merchandise for North American dealers, and paves the way for a deeper pool of qualified candidates for office staff. The Las Vegas DC has the benefit of being one shipping day closer to eastern customers, while giving identical ship times to all western accounts as Mad Rock's Orange County distribution center. As before, staffing will go to individuals with relevant climbing, outdoor and strong customer service experience; attributes that were hard to come by in the Los Angeles area, with its comparative lack of outdoor activities and quality of life issues that made it difficult to find and retain qualified candidates. Parties interested in Portland positions are encouraged to contact Joe below. For more information, Joseph Garland can be contacted at JoeGarland@ClimbXgear.com ###
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billcoe_
Feb 5, 2010, 11:31 PM
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You sniffed that out early. Thanks for the heads up. Don't know what it's going to mean to us, if anything, though.
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johnwesely
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What kind of name is climb x?
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rschap
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johnwesely wrote: What kind of name is climb x? I was thinking of the climbing gym in Huntington Beach CA when I first saw this. I can’t see them being the parent company of anything though.
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The statements in Joe Garland's Press Release are filled with false information. Mad Rock's official press release can be viewed at this link below http://www.madrockclimbing.com/pressrelease.aspx Or just read it here. PRESS RELEASE FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Mad Rock Sheds Some Weight and Passes Savings on to Customers Santa Fe Springs, CA February 5, 2010: Mad Rock is pleased to announce Kenny Suh, who has been with Mad Rock since 2007, as head of the company’s global sales and marketing team. Joseph Garland, a contracted sales rep with Mad Rock, announced his departure early January. Mad Rock’s sole owner and president Young Chu assures his customers that operations will resume as normal. “Our in-house staff as well as the US and International sales team is excited about the changes and look forward to an even better 2010.” Factory Mad Rock Climbing is happy to announce that the move from China to Vietnam was a success. “Even though the transition was difficult, it was a necessary move in the face of overwhelming price increases in China. We will be able to pass on savings to the dealers and consumers while maintaining quality and innovation, which has been the cornerstone of Mad Rock’s philosophy.” Contact: Kenny Suh Kenny@Madrockclimbing.com 800.959.5792 ### Mark My Hsieh Mad Rock Climbing 12878 E Florence Ave Santa Fe Springs, CA 90670 M-F 7:30am - 4:00pm mark@madrockclimbing.com 800.959.5792
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vegastradguy
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looks like Mr. Garland has some explaining to do.... thanks for posting up, madrock- i appreciate it.
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madrockclimbing wrote: The statements in Joe Garland's Press Release are filled with false information. Mad Rock's official press release can be viewed at this link below http://www.madrockclimbing.com/pressrelease.aspx Or just read it here. PRESS RELEASE FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Mad Rock Sheds Some Weight and Passes Savings on to Customers Santa Fe Springs, CA February 5, 2010: Mad Rock is pleased to announce Kenny Suh, who has been with Mad Rock since 2007, as head of the company’s global sales and marketing team. Joseph Garland, a contracted sales rep with Mad Rock, announced his departure early January. Mad Rock’s sole owner and president Young Chu assures his customers that operations will resume as normal. “Our in-house staff as well as the US and International sales team is excited about the changes and look forward to an even better 2010.” Factory Mad Rock Climbing is happy to announce that the move from China to Vietnam was a success. “Even though the transition was difficult, it was a necessary move in the face of overwhelming price increases in China. We will be able to pass on savings to the dealers and consumers while maintaining quality and innovation, which has been the cornerstone of Mad Rock’s philosophy.” Contact: Kenny Suh Kenny@Madrockclimbing.com 800.959.5792 ### Mark My Hsieh Mad Rock Climbing 12878 E Florence Ave Santa Fe Springs, CA 90670 M-F 7:30am - 4:00pm mark@madrockclimbing.com 800.959.5792 Read carefully, this press release does not necessarily contradict the first one up there.
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...which I am now quoting for posterity.
IndustryGuy wrote: Straight from a press release sent to climbing mags, retailers and international distributors. Joe Garland (sales manager of Mad Rock who quit 3 weeks ago) is now heading that very same company, which is now renamed "Climb X." Seems like the old fox was laying low and spreading some disinformation of his own around, but he has the backing of the factory, and Young Chu, the former President of Mad Rock, is now out of a job. Don't ask me where I got this, but here is the entire press release: PRESS RELEASE FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Garland Announces New Position with Renamed Climbing Company Former Mad Rock director to become President of Climb X, Mad Rock's parent company and manufacturer PORTLAND, OR February 5, 2010: Joseph Garland, a founding member of Mad Rock Climbing since its inception in 2002 who announced his departure from the company in early January has returned to the industry, and is now working for Mad Rock's parent company and manufacturer. Three of Mad Rock's original partners: Alex Kim, Ken Kim and Joe Garland will continue the business under the new name "Climb X," with Joe Garland being named its new President. Original Mad Rock President and partner Young Chu will retain the Mad Rock name, but is no longer a member of this group. Climb X will assume the former Mad Rock operation, its distributors, most of its sales reps, international staff, warehouse, factory & production, and product development facility, as well as its Chinese and international warehouse facilities. Joe Garland, who was responsible for most of the newer products developed at Mad Rock, will be working out of offices in Portland Oregon, with satellite offices in Munich, Germany and Beijing, China. Joe Garland will be at the ISPO trade show in Munich Germany from February 7-10 2010 in Hall A4, Booth 118 (Everest GMBH booth) for meetings and to answer questions. NEW ENVIRONMENT Climb X stock will be available in early March for dealers and distributors from a relocated distribution center in Las Vegas, Nevada. The logistics of relocating the offices and DC are geared for quicker access to the merchandise for North American dealers, and paves the way for a deeper pool of qualified candidates for office staff. The Las Vegas DC has the benefit of being one shipping day closer to eastern customers, while giving identical ship times to all western accounts as Mad Rock's Orange County distribution center. As before, staffing will go to individuals with relevant climbing, outdoor and strong customer service experience; attributes that were hard to come by in the Los Angeles area, with its comparative lack of outdoor activities and quality of life issues that made it difficult to find and retain qualified candidates. Parties interested in Portland positions are encouraged to contact Joe below. For more information, Joseph Garland can be contacted at JoeGarland@ClimbXgear.com ###
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Feb 6, 2010, 9:34 PM
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You are just trying to bump your post count.
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vegastradguy
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j_ung wrote: Read carefully, this press release does not necessarily contradict the first one up there. true, madrock's press release reveals the reality/clarifies Mr. Garland's release- that the likely case here is that he is now working with Mad Rock's former manufacturer in China to start up a new shoe company known as Climb X. Although, Mr. Garland's press release insinuates some other things that are apparently not true. Of course, let's not forget there is already an existing climbing gym known as Climb X, which will, i imagine, create some issues down the line.
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Interesting to see how things go. I hope he'll bring it on!!! With Climb X gear I climb "X" rated stuff all day long. I watch those guys on "R" rated stuff and laugh. Thanks Climb X for boosting my climbing to another level
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Feb 7, 2010, 5:55 AM
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Joe is one crazy mofo. Always a step ahead. One of my favorite Joe creations was an ATC knock off that he called the FUBD (functional utility belay device).
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madrockclimbing
Feb 7, 2010, 6:33 PM
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vegastradguy wrote: j_ung wrote: Read carefully, this press release does not necessarily contradict the first one up there. true, madrock's press release reveals the reality/clarifies Mr. Garland's release- that the likely case here is that he is now working with Mad Rock's former manufacturer in China to start up a new shoe company known as Climb X. Although, Mr. Garland's press release insinuates some other things that are apparently not true. Of course, let's not forget there is already an existing climbing gym known as Climb X, which will, i imagine, create some issues down the line. Joe Garland is attempting to partner up with Alex Kim, Mad Rock's former Production Manager at the China Factory, to start Climb X. However, we are still in the process of trying to figure out how he is attempting to do that. Young Chu, sole owner of Mad Rock and majority stake holder of the factory (Mad Rock owns our own factories), has shut down the factory. ~markmyhsieh Mad Rock Climbing
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Feb 7, 2010, 7:47 PM
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It's only an enjoyable read if someone other than a company rep writes it. Like this entire thing or not, the splitting of the company will be interesting. Someone is going to have to get their head out of the sand and kick it up a notch. There is only so much need for goods in the current market and if spread too thin neither company will succees. Bring on the new products and the new pricing. We are all looking forward to seeing what you both have to offer us. You're working for our business and brand loyalty only goes so far.
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johnwesely wrote: What kind of name is climb x? It's Speed Climbers long lost brother.
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Feb 8, 2010, 12:46 PM
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airscape wrote: johnwesely wrote: What kind of name is climb x? It's Speed Climbers long lost brother. What a show.
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madrockclimbing wrote: true, madrock's press release reveals the reality/clarifies Mr. Garland's release- that the likely case here is that he is now working with Mad Rock's former manufacturer in China to start up a new shoe company known as Climb X. Although, Mr. Garland's press release insinuates some other things that are apparently not true. Of course, let's not forget there is already an existing climbing gym known as Climb X, which will, i imagine, create some issues down the line. Joe Garland is attempting to partner up with Alex Kim, Mad Rock's former Production Manager at the China Factory, to start Climb X. However, we are still in the process of trying to figure out how he is attempting to do that. Young Chu, sole owner of Mad Rock and majority stake holder of the factory (Mad Rock owns our own factories), has shut down the factory. ~markmyhsieh Mad Rock Climbing It would be easy to sub-contract out the work. I find the other point very interesting: that it's cheaper to Mfg in Vietnam than China. Wishing you all success, climbers will benefit from more choice - especially if it has any innovation in it.
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Customer Alert!!! Mad Rock Climbing is issuing a customer alert for Climb X products. Climb X products are an imitation made with the intention to deceive the consumer into believing it to be genuine Mad Rock products. Mad Rock and its parent company Nelson Sports Inc. has no affiliation with Climb X or its products, which violates numerous patent and copyright laws. We encourage any customers who have been approached by Climb X to contact us immediately. For further information please contact Kenny Suh at Kenny@madrockclimbing or call 562-944-8081
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madrockclimbing wrote: Customer Alert!!! Mad Rock Climbing is issuing a customer alert for Climb X products. Climb X products are an imitation made with the intention to deceive the consumer into believing it to be genuine Mad Rock products. Mad Rock and its parent company Nelson Sports Inc. has no affiliation with Climb X or its products, which violates numerous patent and copyright laws. We encourage any customers who have been approached by Climb X to contact us immediately. For further information please contact Kenny Suh at Kenny@madrockclimbing or call 562-944-8081 drama! okay we get the point
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I will be sure to contact you in that event, Honorable Mr. SweatshopOwner.
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Hey while we're at it, let's talk about how Young Chu screwed his former partner Charles Cole, the owner of Five Ten. Great stuff there. And then the whole sordid Evolv story should interest the hoards too. Not that Joe Garland is an angel either...we know he has a solid punch when riled up.
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Both companies can send me free shoes and I'll promise to try and sort things out. Curt
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So now there are going to be 2 companies producing shitty beginner shoes? SICK!
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taydude wrote: So now there are going to be 2 companies producing shitty beginner shoes? SICK! you're their target demographic
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taydude wrote: So now there are going to be 2 companies producing shitty beginner shoes? SICK! I love Mad Rock shoes, the Flash specifically. My current pair is going on 1.5 years at 2-3 times a week. I'm no beginner.
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madrockclimbing wrote: Customer Alert!!! Mad Rock Climbing is issuing a customer alert for Climb X products. Climb X products are an imitation made with the intention to deceive the consumer into believing it to be genuine Mad Rock products. Mad Rock and its parent company Nelson Sports Inc. has no affiliation with Climb X or its products, which violates numerous patent and copyright laws. We encourage any customers who have been approached by Climb X to contact us immediately. For further information please contact Kenny Suh at Kenny@madrockclimbing or call 562-944-8081 So are you saying that there will NO Climb X shoes and that if they sell shoes they will say Mad Rock? Or are they copies of Mad shoes? In that case I'm good with copies. Companies do it all the time and it make it a better market. Ya see. This brings on new products that hopefully crush the competition. If this is the case, from what I hear, Mad Rock has a lot of work to do. Only time will tell.... Thanks for the heads up!
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madrockclimbing wrote: ... Or just read it here. PRESS RELEASE FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Mad Rock Sheds Some Weight and Passes Savings on to Customers ... I thought this part was pretty cheeky.
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IndustryGuy wrote: The logistics of relocating the offices and DC are geared for quicker access to the merchandise for North American dealers, and paves the way for a deeper pool of qualified candidates for office staff. The Las Vegas DC has the benefit of being one shipping day closer to eastern customers, while giving identical ship times to all western accounts as Mad Rock's Orange County distribution center. As before, staffing will go to individuals with relevant climbing, outdoor and strong customer service experience; attributes that were hard to come by in the Los Angeles area, with its comparative lack of outdoor activities and quality of life issues that made it difficult to find and retain qualified candidates. ### I like how he calls LA a shithole. No real climbers there to work for him for minimum wage, thank god he's taking over the China plant!
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Adk wrote: madrockclimbing wrote: Customer Alert!!! Mad Rock Climbing is issuing a customer alert for Climb X products. Climb X products are an imitation made with the intention to deceive the consumer into believing it to be genuine Mad Rock products. Mad Rock and its parent company Nelson Sports Inc. has no affiliation with Climb X or its products, which violates numerous patent and copyright laws. We encourage any customers who have been approached by Climb X to contact us immediately. For further information please contact Kenny Suh at Kenny@madrockclimbing or call 562-944-8081 So are you saying that there will NO Climb X shoes and that if they sell shoes they will say Mad Rock? Or are they copies of Mad shoes? In that case I'm good with copies. Companies do it all the time and it make it a better market. Ya see. This brings on new products that hopefully crush the competition. If this is the case, from what I hear, Mad Rock has a lot of work to do. Only time will tell.... Thanks for the heads up! Is this supposed to be incomprehensible or just plain retarded?
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gmggg wrote: Adk wrote: madrockclimbing wrote: Customer Alert!!! Mad Rock Climbing is issuing a customer alert for Climb X products. Climb X products are an imitation made with the intention to deceive the consumer into believing it to be genuine Mad Rock products. Mad Rock and its parent company Nelson Sports Inc. has no affiliation with Climb X or its products, which violates numerous patent and copyright laws. We encourage any customers who have been approached by Climb X to contact us immediately. For further information please contact Kenny Suh at Kenny@madrockclimbing or call 562-944-8081 So are you saying that there will NO Climb X shoes and that if they sell shoes they will say Mad Rock? Or are they copies of Mad shoes? In that case I'm good with copies. Companies do it all the time and it make it a better market. Ya see. This brings on new products that hopefully crush the competition. If this is the case, from what I hear, Mad Rock has a lot of work to do. Only time will tell.... Thanks for the heads up! Is this supposed to be incomprehensible or just plain retarded? Why are those mutually exclusive?
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madrockclimbing wrote: Customer Alert!!! quiteatingmysteak is issuing a customer alert for Mad Rock products. Mad Rock products are an imitation made with the intention to deceive the consumer into believing it to be genuine climbing gear..... hehehe... just kiddin'
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gosharks wrote: taydude wrote: So now there are going to be 2 companies producing shitty beginner shoes? SICK! I love Mad Rock shoes, the Flash specifically. My current pair is going on 1.5 years at 2-3 times a week. I'm no beginner. I'm no beginner, but I am shitty.
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Mad Rock shoes aren't to bad. Being in Vietnam might even lower the price more, so that will be nice. E
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caughtinside wrote: IndustryGuy wrote: The logistics of relocating the offices and DC are geared for quicker access to the merchandise for North American dealers, and paves the way for a deeper pool of qualified candidates for office staff. The Las Vegas DC has the benefit of being one shipping day closer to eastern customers, while giving identical ship times to all western accounts as Mad Rock's Orange County distribution center. As before, staffing will go to individuals with relevant climbing, outdoor and strong customer service experience; attributes that were hard to come by in the Los Angeles area, with its comparative lack of outdoor activities and quality of life issues that made it difficult to find and retain qualified candidates. ### I like how he calls LA a shithole... Yeah, no need to state the obvious. Curt
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so IndustryGuy = Joe Garland?
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johnwesely wrote: gmggg wrote: Adk wrote: madrockclimbing wrote: Customer Alert!!! Mad Rock Climbing is issuing a customer alert for Climb X products. Climb X products are an imitation made with the intention to deceive the consumer into believing it to be genuine Mad Rock products. Mad Rock and its parent company Nelson Sports Inc. has no affiliation with Climb X or its products, which violates numerous patent and copyright laws. We encourage any customers who have been approached by Climb X to contact us immediately. For further information please contact Kenny Suh at Kenny@madrockclimbing or call 562-944-8081 So are you saying that there will NO Climb X shoes and that if they sell shoes they will say Mad Rock? Or are they copies of Mad shoes? In that case I'm good with copies. Companies do it all the time and it make it a better market. Ya see. This brings on new products that hopefully crush the competition. If this is the case, from what I hear, Mad Rock has a lot of work to do. Only time will tell.... Thanks for the heads up! Is this supposed to be incomprehensible or just plain retarded? Why are those mutually exclusive? All three
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curt wrote: caughtinside wrote: IndustryGuy wrote: The logistics of relocating the offices and DC are geared for quicker access to the merchandise for North American dealers, and paves the way for a deeper pool of qualified candidates for office staff. The Las Vegas DC has the benefit of being one shipping day closer to eastern customers, while giving identical ship times to all western accounts as Mad Rock's Orange County distribution center. As before, staffing will go to individuals with relevant climbing, outdoor and strong customer service experience; attributes that were hard to come by in the Los Angeles area, with its comparative lack of outdoor activities and quality of life issues that made it difficult to find and retain qualified candidates. ### I like how he calls LA a shithole... Yeah, no need to state the obvious. Curt Hey, LA is quite nice* thank you very much. *So long as you're north of Marina Del Rey and within two or three miles of the beach.** **Venice boardwalk doesn't count unless you want velvet paintings or a medical mj prescription.
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styndall wrote: curt wrote: caughtinside wrote: IndustryGuy wrote: The logistics of relocating the offices and DC are geared for quicker access to the merchandise for North American dealers, and paves the way for a deeper pool of qualified candidates for office staff. The Las Vegas DC has the benefit of being one shipping day closer to eastern customers, while giving identical ship times to all western accounts as Mad Rock's Orange County distribution center. As before, staffing will go to individuals with relevant climbing, outdoor and strong customer service experience; attributes that were hard to come by in the Los Angeles area, with its comparative lack of outdoor activities and quality of life issues that made it difficult to find and retain qualified candidates. ### I like how he calls LA a shithole... Yeah, no need to state the obvious. Curt Hey, LA is quite nice* thank you very much. *So long as you're north of Marina Del Rey and within two or three miles of the beach.** **Venice boardwalk doesn't count unless you want velvet paintings or a medical mj prescription. Los Angeles area has plenty of good climbing or at least within a reasonable drive. I guarantee that half the office is out climbing somewhere every weekend. Tahquitz/Suicide (birth of the YDS)-1.5 hrs JTree-2 hrs. Red Rocks/Mt. Charleston area-4 hrs Bishop/Owens Gorge/Pine Creek/Mammoth-3.5 hrs Whitney/East Sierras-3 hrs. Yosemite-5 hrs. Tramway- 1.5 hrs Black Mnt.-2 hrs Brickyards-1.5 hrs Echo Cliffs-1hr Rivesrside Quarry-1 hr Malibu Creek-45 min Horse Flats-45 min NJC-1.5 hrs El Cajon/Wooson/Corta madera-2 hrs.
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k.l.k
Feb 19, 2010, 7:04 PM
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curt wrote: caughtinside wrote: IndustryGuy wrote: The logistics of relocating the offices and DC are geared for quicker access to the merchandise for North American dealers, and paves the way for a deeper pool of qualified candidates for office staff. The Las Vegas DC has the benefit of being one shipping day closer to eastern customers, while giving identical ship times to all western accounts as Mad Rock's Orange County distribution center. As before, staffing will go to individuals with relevant climbing, outdoor and strong customer service experience; attributes that were hard to come by in the Los Angeles area, with its comparative lack of outdoor activities and quality of life issues that made it difficult to find and retain qualified candidates. ### I like how he calls LA a shithole... Yeah, no need to state the obvious. Curt pots, kettles, etc
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cracklover
Feb 19, 2010, 8:06 PM
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This thread rocks! And rc.com (with all the drama and half-truths that circulate here) is just the place for it to go down. The company that was reputed to get its foundation by stealing from its parent and moving to China, now has its own offspring attempting to do the same. The irony is beautiful. China is like the Wild West of manufacturing! GO
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airscape
Feb 20, 2010, 5:59 AM
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cracklover wrote: China is like the Wild West East of manufacturing! GO
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johnwesely
Feb 20, 2010, 12:33 PM
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airscape wrote: cracklover wrote: China is like the Wild West East of manufacturing! GO
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healyje
Feb 20, 2010, 1:09 PM
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There's always been a lot of dubious gear heritage and fratricide in the business side of climbing, but I have to admit to being violently ambivalent about a bitch fight between two cheap Asian import operations.
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angry
Feb 20, 2010, 3:20 PM
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I've got a lot of Mad Rock gear, all of it shit. Harness, weird leg loop sizing, pinches, waist belt frayed abnormally fast. Haul Bag, thin, won't stand on it's own and the top won't stay open when filling. Rope Bag, Buckles broke immediately, half the thickness and half the ground coverage of a name brand bag. Rope, it's just fine but of course it's actually a Lanex. Carabiners, light but with way too weak of a gate. Belay device, so much friction as to be completely useless. So someone is going to ruin their reputation? This is terrible.
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unrooted
Mar 15, 2010, 4:35 AM
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angry wrote: I've got a lot of Mad Rock gear, all of it shit. Harness, weird leg loop sizing, pinches, waist belt frayed abnormally fast. Haul Bag, thin, won't stand on it's own and the top won't stay open when filling. Rope Bag, Buckles broke immediately, half the thickness and half the ground coverage of a name brand bag. Rope, it's just fine but of course it's actually a Lanex. Carabiners, light but with way too weak of a gate. Belay device, so much friction as to be completely useless. So someone is going to ruin their reputation? This is terrible. You liked their stuff when you were getting it for free.
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