Can we make this sticky? Every Monday people can come in and report on what happened the previous weekend. Then there can be another sticky for "Gunks Asshole This Weekend."

I fully support this idea.

Hey Roberto, how about we put a sticky note on your forehead that reads "this asshole thinks he will never make a mistake while climbing". I think that would be more appropriate.

RR

Very poor taste. God forbid that anyone you are close to are ever involved in an accident. If you think shit can't happen to you then you are living in ignorance.

The Gunks proximity to the largest Metropolitan are in the US and it's plentiful bounty of beginner climbs opens itself up to it's share of accidents. It is what it is, but that doesn't mean you can't show some damn empathy!

Josh

Once again, I disagree. My parents have been the recipients of the 'call' that every loved one of a climber fears.

The gunks is a dangerous place. People die there.

Unfortunately, it is very rare that a serious injury or death is not directly attributable to the actions of an individual; the kindergarten phrase of everyone makes mistakes is potentially deadly when there are 6 million+ people crowding the economically viable mouth of the hudson river with a vague aspiration of being called a climber.

Showing the varying levels of idiocy involved in accidents may prevent further accidents; or it might accomplish nothing. Getting into your car and driving to the gunks, given its popularity, means immortalization on the internet if you fuck up and get hurt.
May as well confine it to one place in our little fantasy world here.

drama queens who like to kick a climber when he's down. Show some class.

Do you think that commenting on the frequency of accidents amounts to kicking a climber when they're down? A number of posters who also objected to the OP acknowledge that that there are many accidents.

He wasn't commenting. Comments could have gone in the original accident thread. He was making light of the accidents and calling those involved "assholes." Josh

Comments could have gone in the original accident thread. He was making light of the accidents and calling those involved "assholes."

Comments could have gone in the original accident thread.

He was making light of the accidents

He was ...calling those involved "assholes."

Oh dear, oh dear.

Let's take this one part at a time:


As a reminder, the Accident & Incidents Analysis posting guidelines state the following:
- "Keep it about the accident"
- "Make your posts factual, and as detailed as possible"

The OP's post was not about a specific accident, nor was it factual. Once again, general commentary does not belong in the A&IA forum, and the OP did the right thing in opening a separate thread in the General forum.


And your point is? You want him to join your club for those who "like ...watching June bugs fly into things over and over again"?


In your rush to judgment, you seem to have neglected to actually read my full post. To make it easy, I'll repeat the part you apparently skipped:

"Or have you, as others may have, assumed that the 'asshole' thread would be about the same person as the 'accidents' thread? If so, this says more about you than about the OP: at the best, this was his intent, and you apparently agree it's a valid statement since you made this assumption; at the worst, this wasn't his intent, and your assumption belies your feigned outrage.'

It would appear that you have fallen victim to the same trap which caught wonderwoman... guess she wasn't wearing her bracelets today :)

I'm beginning to think I should change my sig to "Shaper of Young Minds"...

Can we make this sticky? Every Monday people can come in and report on what happened the previous weekend. Then there can be another sticky for "Gunks Asshole This Weekend."

Can we make this sticky? Every Monday people can come in and report on what happened the previous weekend. Then there can be another sticky for "Gunks Asshole This Weekend."

There is a sticky and it's called the Accidents and Analysis Forum. There is nothing about the climbing at the 'Gunks that is any more dangerous than at any other popular crag, just like there isn't anything specific to the grigri that makes climbing with one dangerous: it's the people, and each person makes a mistake that deserves independent analysis. Even if some accidents sound the same, they deserve separate threads so that we don't gloss over what not only did happen but what can continue to happen if it has happened before.

I haven't yet seen an accident reported at the 'Gunks that couldn't happen at most other major crags.

With regards to frequency, while I don't keep stats, I have seen a fair amount of accident threads out of the Red, New, Seneca, and Eldo, too. I assume the reason for this is proximity to population centers.

He wasn't commenting. Comments could have gone in the original accident thread. He was making light of the accidents and calling those involved "assholes."


Josh

So you agree the area deserves an 'Assholes of the Gunks' sticky?

so long as I can be the star.

Aww, you'll always be my asshole!

Seriously, though, I can see a sticky "This weekend's asshole award goes to..."

Doesn't have to be limited to the Gunks, and would be a favorite Monday morning read. Even better when both parties happen to be rc.commers...DRAMZ!

Very poor taste.

God forbid that anyone you are close to are {sic} ever involved in an accident.

If you think shit can't happen to you then you are living in ignorance.

The only folks who are all butthurt are Gunksies. Hmm.

I would say that I have more investment because it's the Gunks, but I have made other claims out the jackassery of people towards victims in other areas.

BTW, Rumney sucks!

Josh

I agree we need a Gunks sticky, But it should be in the regional discussion area, or the US East coast area.. & not every post under Trip reports weekend warrior should be from the Gunks..

Possibly - about half the people here seem to think so. What makes you think no one I know has been?Quite true, and it's exactly this ignorance that seems to be contributing to a lot of accidents 'round those parts. But you seem to be implying that I hold that viewpoint, which I can assure you isn't the case.

Seriously, though, I can see a sticky "This weekend's asshole award goes to..."

Or have you, as others may have, assumed that the "asshole" thread would be about the same person as the "accidents" thread?

well i have one more thing to say about chalk,,,

just kidding,,,

Well, there's obviously going to be intense competition. I want to be one of the judges.

Curt

Well, there's obviously going to be intense competition. I want to be one of the judges.

Curt

It should be obvious that a family member, or just some climber who isn't acclimated to the usual pecking order of "butt hurting" drama around here, -might- read the title of this thread and click it, looking for info about the recent accident.

And yes, the OP could easily be read by that person and seem aimed at this weekend's accident, and calling him an asshole - as kicking that particular climber after he'd taken the 100-ft ride.

For that reason, you or a moderator should strongly consider revising the title, so it is not clicked by the unwary from the front page.

If you think you have a good idea, chances are someone else has thought of it first.

I believe the redriveclimbing "ongoing weekend idiot report" thread is well into over 20 pages... and that's JUST RRG.

I don't deny that the Gunks gets it's fair share of accidents (a lot more than I would like). But with the sheer amount of people we are talking about here, you just can't compare it to most areas. People that don't frequent it don't understand. A lot of people don't go there for that very reason. I happen to LOVE the climbing so I am willing to put up with it.

Josh

It's an interesting phenomenon. Here in Austin there are a couple hundred climbs in the city limits. On an average weekday, there are probably 50-100 climbers out on the Greenbelt. On a weekend, considerably more, so many of them gumbies. People yelling, paying more attention to their dogs than belaying, shiny new gear everywhere, incompetent belayers, clueless leaders - it's a real shitshow.

It's a recipe for disaster, and yet, there's been one serious accident in the past year. I'm sure it's partially attributable to being mostly clip-ups with sport anchor at the top of every climb, but there's got to be a little more to it.

accident are all fun and games till they happen to you ...

and if you dont believe they can happen to you

i got a bridge to sell u

bleat bleat bleat

accident are all fun and games till they happen to you

I only know of one accident at the Gunks in the recent past, and that's the one that prompted this thread. What are you refering to?

I only know of one accident at the Gunks in the recent past, and that's the one that prompted this thread. What are you refering to?

most recent.. belay/communication error
http://www.rockclimbing.com/...d;page=unread#unread

lead fall
http://www.rockclimbing.com/...d;page=unread#unread

stuck on rap needed rescue
http://www.rockclimbing.com/...d;page=unread#unread

belay error
http://www.rockclimbing.com/...d;page=unread#unread

I don't deny that the Gunks gets it's fair share of accidents (a lot more than I would like). But with the sheer amount of people we are talking about here, you just can't compare it to most areas. People that don't frequent it don't understand. A lot of people don't go there for that very reason. I happen to LOVE the climbing so I am willing to put up with it.

you have dreamy, rippling muscles

merely speculating, as I am, of the OP's intent. I guess the only way to know for sure is to ask...There,...was that so hard?

How is this confusing? Another.

You've missed the boat, dude. The asshole thread was a comment on the increasing number of "listen to what this asshole did to me this weekend, isn't that terrible?" threads.

2011 Newest climbing book. Assholes in North American Mountaineering

This WOULD be a funny read.

As for the dude who fell this last weekend - best wishes to them for a quick recovery.

As for the person's family reading the thread(which they very well may) - I guess the fact that the person wasn't more seriously injured or killed probably makes it less difficult, should they come across this thread. Unfortunately, even in situations where people have died, some asshole from the internet is sure to make a comment such as being rebutted here.

Maybe the 2012 book could be "Assholes of the Internet Prattling On Over Accidents in North American Mountaineering"

Can we make this sticky? Every Monday people can come in and report on what happened the previous weekend. Then there can be another sticky for "Gunks Asshole This Weekend."

Very poor taste.

Can we make this sticky? Every Monday people can come in and report on what happened the previous weekend. Then there can be another sticky for "Gunks Asshole This Weekend."

...and was right.

So, Mr. Sinatra, your reading comprehension seems poor, and you rush to judgment before asking questions. I really hope that "shaper of young minds" doesn't refer to teaching... if so, consider a new career with the police: they need folks like you

Well, Roberto did say he was talking more about the assholes who get butthurtz and want everyone to console them. I just have one question. Why would he title the thread Gunks Accident this Weekend? He either is lying or as Jay suggests, is trolling. Probably the latter.

As for shaping young minds, why can't I just stay in teaching and pull out my gun. In fact, that sounds fairly effective.

Just to sum up: My reading comprehension is poor due to the fact that I thought Roberto was referencing the Gunks Accident this Weekend in a thread titled "Gunks Accident this Weekend." Does that sound right?

Josh

Jake, thanksfor that accident list, but you can take the knuckleheads who needed to be rescued off of Madame G's off that list. That WAS NOT an accident. That was irresponsible behavior. No one was hurt. No one was in danger of becoming hurt. They just didn't want to figure it out for themselves.

Jake, thanksfor that accident list, but you can take the knuckleheads who needed to be rescued off of Madame G's off that list. That WAS NOT an accident. That was irresponsible behavior. No one was hurt. No one was in danger of becoming hurt. They just didn't want to figure it out for themselves.

Well if they bolted all the boulder problems with bolts spaced about every 3 feet to make it feel like, ohhh I don't know, maybe reimers ranch, then maybe this wouldn't be such a problem and we would all be badass climbers like you.

What might actually make a difference is posting accident reports at the crag itself. Make up an 8.5x11" flyer for each accident (including the injuries) and put it up on the bulletin board. The casual climbers usually have no idea how many accidents there really are, and specifically how many are caused by miscommunication.

Jesus fucking christ man! Do you want to be personally responsible for the destruction of the forests with the amount of paper that would require?

How bout we get a text then. Mayor Menino texted all of Boston last Spring when we had that boil water order. Why can't the Mohonk Preserve text us all when there's been an accident?

Josh

my inbox isn't big enough

Very poor taste. God forbid that anyone you are close to are ever involved in an accident. If you think shit can't happen to you then you are living in ignorance.

The Gunks proximity to the largest Metropolitan are in the US and it's plentiful bounty of beginner climbs opens itself up to it's share of accidents. It is what it is, but that doesn't mean you can't show some damn empathy!

Josh

How about something like the climber's memorial below Mt. Cook in New Zealand? It's an elegant memorial, and the most sobering warning I've ever seen. Way too many plaques on that base.

http://www.pbase.com/...ge/64074291/original

Very poor taste. God forbid that anyone you are close to are ever involved in an accident. If you think shit can't happen to you then you are living in ignorance.

Unfortunately, it is very rare that a serious injury or death is not directly attributable to the actions of an individual;

Can we make this sticky? Every Monday people can come in and report on what happened the previous weekend. Then there can be another sticky for "Gunks Asshole This Weekend."