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k.l.k
Mar 29, 2011, 2:21 AM
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wonderwoman wrote: The latest toe issue, is 'overlapping toe', where I one of my toes has literally folded up underneath the neighboring toe. The same doc said it wasn't from my climbing shoes but was from my tendons drying up and shrinking.
Time for a 2nd opinion.
Seriously.
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kiwiprincess
Mar 29, 2011, 3:54 AM
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Nerve pain from too narrow Shoes can cause permanent problems. My husband has a pressure point in now to try and help, from the Physio who told him If left it can turn into an operation and having it fused.
It is not very common but i also know a climber in his 50's who will have no control over his Big toe any more. But is getting the operation as he can no longer even walk around the house without pain.
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ENARE
Mar 29, 2011, 6:37 PM
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james_va wrote: Hi Everyone, Do climbing shoes hurt your feet? I doubt we'll see any formal studies on this topic, but I'm just curious if you've had ongoing foot pain, nerve issues, etc. caused or apparently caused by wearing climbing shoes. What happened, and how long did it last? (Or is it ongoing?) I know much depends on how tight the shoes are, on/off frequency, etc. But I have noticed some nerve/structural pain with a new pair (I'm not even a sport climber), and I'm also wondering about putting very young feet into tight-fitting shoes for hours at a time. Scroll down to the photos: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/flat-feet-treatment/ Again, I am not looking for emotional reassurance or personal shoe advice in this thread (I can ask for those separately ;-), but rather to get a sense of what sorts of issues tight climbing shoes have caused people. Thanks for sharing your input, James
After reading this and looking at the pictures, I am being super self-conscious about the way my feet look after I am climbing. They do not look all that bad, but it made me think about it although I have never payed any attention to them before.
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sidepull
Mar 29, 2011, 7:54 PM
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For all the people that said "switching" shoes solved their issues, I'd be interested to know what they switched from and what they switched to. Is it just a matter of sizing larger, avoiding cambered shoes, avoiding shoes with rubber over the big toe?
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caughtinside
Mar 29, 2011, 8:47 PM
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sidepull wrote: For all the people that said "switching" shoes solved their issues, I'd be interested to know what they switched from and what they switched to. Is it just a matter of sizing larger, avoiding cambered shoes, avoiding shoes with rubber over the big toe?
Ok, here is a very non scientific description of what I did. I used to wear katanas. They are great shoes, do everything pretty well. However, the inside edge, tends to pull outward a bit, towards the little toe. I see this on many climbing shoes.
Now, looking at my bare foot, the instep side of my foot is more or less a straight line. from the ball of my foot to the outside of my big toe, straight. As opposed to pulling back in, a la the sole print of the sportiva boot.
The Scarpa model I switched to (the now discontinued Spectro) has that straight line on the instep. The pain in my feet went away with weeks of using them. Looking at the narrow profile of other shoes like the Mythos, I am amazed I ever got my feet in them.
I should say that I figured most of this out after I switched shoes. I figured the pain was just from climbing too much. I had never looked very closely at street shoes or hiking boots before for a close fit. Seemed like there, it was just some brands I could do and some I could not.
This may be totally clear, I'll try to post some photos tomorrow showing what I mean.
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wmfork
Mar 29, 2011, 10:17 PM
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So basically, your feet fit in shoes with highly asymmetrical last: http://www.lasportiva.com/...gue/EN/cfs_PD85.html, which usually tend to be "high peformance" shoes. I hear ya though, my big toes are aligned the same way (the way human's toes should be before getting mangled with shoes), and I can never edge nearly as well in supposedly stiff edging shoes (with more symmtrical last) than the down turned shoes.
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aerili
Mar 29, 2011, 11:06 PM
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caughtinside wrote: This may be totally clear, I'll try to post some photos tomorrow showing what I mean.
Omigod, you are going to show up pictures of your feet?
Thanks for warning us first.
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sidepull
Apr 1, 2011, 7:52 PM
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caughtinside wrote: sidepull wrote: For all the people that said "switching" shoes solved their issues, I'd be interested to know what they switched from and what they switched to. Is it just a matter of sizing larger, avoiding cambered shoes, avoiding shoes with rubber over the big toe? Ok, here is a very non scientific description of what I did. I used to wear katanas. They are great shoes, do everything pretty well. However, the inside edge, tends to pull outward a bit, towards the little toe. I see this on many climbing shoes. Now, looking at my bare foot, the instep side of my foot is more or less a straight line. from the ball of my foot to the outside of my big toe, straight. As opposed to pulling back in, a la the sole print of the sportiva boot. The Scarpa model I switched to (the now discontinued Spectro) has that straight line on the instep. The pain in my feet went away with weeks of using them. Looking at the narrow profile of other shoes like the Mythos, I am amazed I ever got my feet in them. I should say that I figured most of this out after I switched shoes. I figured the pain was just from climbing too much. I had never looked very closely at street shoes or hiking boots before for a close fit. Seemed like there, it was just some brands I could do and some I could not. This may be totally clear, I'll try to post some photos tomorrow showing what I mean.
This makes good sense - good we're not talking about broken holds - I wonder how many other brands provide more natural, neutral foot positions. I definitely don't want to have trouble walking when I'm older simply because I liked to climb. Indeed, perhaps foolishly, one of the reasons that I really chose to focus on climbing as a hobby (rather than some of my other athletic interests) was that I felt I could still climb at a high level for a long period of time.
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