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granite_grrl wrote: We're trying to decide what kind of route we're going with our Sprinter purchase. We found an '06 with 130000km on it, but we're hesitant to buy an older vehicle. Especially when I've heard the Sprinters are expensive to maintain. Hard to find the exact info we want on the interwebs though.
I never got those pics for you, did I? My phone was always either out of battery, or not on me when I was near the van. Ugh! I am sorry.
Do you know Dave and Julia? You could ask them directly, Dave would be all too happy to talk about it. He is a geeky engineer type, too, so he did all the numbers before buying theirs.
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Aug 6, 2014, 2:34 PM
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snoopy138 wrote: caughtinside wrote: snoopy138 wrote: caughtinside wrote: Visited Secret Tom's choss world over the weekend, super fun. Vert granite with cool features/holds. Camhead would be jealous of the punny names. Chains we can believe in, the audacity of Rope, Chalk to the Hand, look whose Chalking, etc. Got bouted on the 3 11deez I tried to onsight. good times. It's knot that sekrit and in the guidebuk now, right? true and true. Still low key though, and guarded by a horrendous hike. You hike down, much like going down into a HOLE. Getting in you get the shaky knees. Going out hurts the quads. I'd say getting out is like doing a Castleton. Maybe 45 minutes to hike out? I forget how long Castleton actually is, been a few years. that sounds approximately like a castleton, I think.
Sunday Allison and I finally got to the main "local" crag after moving to CT six weeks ago. Ragged Mountain is actually pretty good climbing, but holy hell, the approach? We followed the approach given in the guidebook. I don't think anyone else does that. It was literally an hour-and-a-quarter tramp through the woods, through backyards, over several roads. Total bullshit. Saw loads of other people at the crag, and after doing the hour-and-a-quarter hike back to the car, noted that ours was still the only car in the lot.
Gonna have to figure out the secret-squirrel beta for parking. No way I'm doing that again.
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cracklover
Aug 6, 2014, 2:37 PM
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lena_chita wrote: camhead wrote: dr_feelgood wrote: camhead wrote: Well, most of ya'll probably already saw on teh facespace, but for the benefit of Doc and Trapper: I got me a gnu Taco. It's a 2002 extended cab 4wd, only had 100k on it, I got it for $9000, was able to pay cash for most of it. Pretty psyched, even the automatic transmission is unexpectedly gneiss. Still need to switch out my sleeper platform and camper shell from Old Red, and hopefully will be able to sell this ridiculous bed cover that came with it. Haven't gotten rid of Old Red yet, might not at all. I'm like Beck, I've got two turntables tacomas and a microphone. I gnu, because you asked for advice... Yes. Although your advice came after I bought it. As for Old Red, I'm very sentimentally attached to him. Been across the country a dozen times, canada to Mexico, one of the few unabashedly good decisions I've ever made. I'm actually working on donating him to the AAC for use as a campground utility vehicle, so I can get the tax write off, not have to pay insurance or licensing anymore, but still keep an eye on him. That could work. I admit that I have never gotten sentimentally attached to my cars, but Subie might be worming her way in. She's staying in teh family for a good long while yet, but when she finally needs to go, in the future... I dunno.
I dunno what I'm gonna do when my current car kicks the bucket. There's nothing remotely like it now. And it's making a funny noise that is getting worse and worse, and the first mechanic couldn't diagnose.
70 MPG, and enough room for Allison and I to pack a week's worth of climbing and camping and food and gear. I really hope it never dies.
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granite_grrl
Aug 6, 2014, 3:07 PM
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lena_chita wrote: granite_grrl wrote: We're trying to decide what kind of route we're going with our Sprinter purchase. We found an '06 with 130000km on it, but we're hesitant to buy an older vehicle. Especially when I've heard the Sprinters are expensive to maintain. Hard to find the exact info we want on the interwebs though. I never got those pics for you, did I? My phone was always either out of battery, or not on me when I was near the van. Ugh! I am sorry. Do you know Dave and Julia? You could ask them directly, Dave would be all too happy to talk about it. He is a geeky engineer type, too, so he did all the numbers before buying theirs.
Where were Dave and Julia from? I don't think I've met them, but then there are a lot of people I would only know by their face.
It's tempting just to go buy one, but there are too many things to consider for that.
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Aug 6, 2014, 3:09 PM
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cracklover wrote: lena_chita wrote: camhead wrote: dr_feelgood wrote: camhead wrote: Well, most of ya'll probably already saw on teh facespace, but for the benefit of Doc and Trapper: I got me a gnu Taco. It's a 2002 extended cab 4wd, only had 100k on it, I got it for $9000, was able to pay cash for most of it. Pretty psyched, even the automatic transmission is unexpectedly gneiss. Still need to switch out my sleeper platform and camper shell from Old Red, and hopefully will be able to sell this ridiculous bed cover that came with it. Haven't gotten rid of Old Red yet, might not at all. I'm like Beck, I've got two turntables tacomas and a microphone. I gnu, because you asked for advice... Yes. Although your advice came after I bought it. As for Old Red, I'm very sentimentally attached to him. Been across the country a dozen times, canada to Mexico, one of the few unabashedly good decisions I've ever made. I'm actually working on donating him to the AAC for use as a campground utility vehicle, so I can get the tax write off, not have to pay insurance or licensing anymore, but still keep an eye on him. That could work. I admit that I have never gotten sentimentally attached to my cars, but Subie might be worming her way in. She's staying in teh family for a good long while yet, but when she finally needs to go, in the future... I dunno. I dunno what I'm gonna do when my current car kicks the bucket. There's nothing remotely like it now. And it's making a funny noise that is getting worse and worse, and the first mechanic couldn't diagnose. 70 MPG, and enough room for Allison and I to pack a week's worth of climbing and camping and food and gear. I really hope it never dies. GO
What are you driving?
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caughtinside
Aug 6, 2014, 3:30 PM
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lena_chita wrote: camhead wrote: dr_feelgood wrote: camhead wrote: Well, most of ya'll probably already saw on teh facespace, but for the benefit of Doc and Trapper: I got me a gnu Taco. It's a 2002 extended cab 4wd, only had 100k on it, I got it for $9000, was able to pay cash for most of it. Pretty psyched, even the automatic transmission is unexpectedly gneiss. Still need to switch out my sleeper platform and camper shell from Old Red, and hopefully will be able to sell this ridiculous bed cover that came with it. Haven't gotten rid of Old Red yet, might not at all. I'm like Beck, I've got two turntables tacomas and a microphone. I gnu, because you asked for advice... Yes. Although your advice came after I bought it. As for Old Red, I'm very sentimentally attached to him. Been across the country a dozen times, canada to Mexico, one of the few unabashedly good decisions I've ever made. I'm actually working on donating him to the AAC for use as a campground utility vehicle, so I can get the tax write off, not have to pay insurance or licensing anymore, but still keep an eye on him. That could work. I admit that I have never gotten sentimentally attached to my cars, but Subie might be worming her way in. She's staying in teh family for a good long while yet, but when she finally needs to go, in the future... I dunno.
I think I've had a soft spot for most of the cars I've owned and it's never easy to sell one. That said, cars take money to maintain even if they aren't getting driven much. It's been my experience that its always a relief once the old car is gone. One less thing to deal with.
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caughtinside
Aug 6, 2014, 3:32 PM
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cracklover wrote: lena_chita wrote: camhead wrote: dr_feelgood wrote: camhead wrote: Well, most of ya'll probably already saw on teh facespace, but for the benefit of Doc and Trapper: I got me a gnu Taco. It's a 2002 extended cab 4wd, only had 100k on it, I got it for $9000, was able to pay cash for most of it. Pretty psyched, even the automatic transmission is unexpectedly gneiss. Still need to switch out my sleeper platform and camper shell from Old Red, and hopefully will be able to sell this ridiculous bed cover that came with it. Haven't gotten rid of Old Red yet, might not at all. I'm like Beck, I've got two turntables tacomas and a microphone. I gnu, because you asked for advice... Yes. Although your advice came after I bought it. As for Old Red, I'm very sentimentally attached to him. Been across the country a dozen times, canada to Mexico, one of the few unabashedly good decisions I've ever made. I'm actually working on donating him to the AAC for use as a campground utility vehicle, so I can get the tax write off, not have to pay insurance or licensing anymore, but still keep an eye on him. That could work. I admit that I have never gotten sentimentally attached to my cars, but Subie might be worming her way in. She's staying in teh family for a good long while yet, but when she finally needs to go, in the future... I dunno. I dunno what I'm gonna do when my current car kicks the bucket. There's nothing remotely like it now. And it's making a funny noise that is getting worse and worse, and the first mechanic couldn't diagnose. 70 MPG, and enough room for Allison and I to pack a week's worth of climbing and camping and food and gear. I really hope it never dies. GO
The new Fit looks like a good economy choice. And I'm a big fan of the jetta TDI wagon. You can sleep in it and it gets 50mpg highway. more like 38-42 mixed in town.
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caughtinside
Aug 6, 2014, 3:33 PM
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granite_grrl wrote: cracklover wrote: lena_chita wrote: camhead wrote: dr_feelgood wrote: camhead wrote: Well, most of ya'll probably already saw on teh facespace, but for the benefit of Doc and Trapper: I got me a gnu Taco. It's a 2002 extended cab 4wd, only had 100k on it, I got it for $9000, was able to pay cash for most of it. Pretty psyched, even the automatic transmission is unexpectedly gneiss. Still need to switch out my sleeper platform and camper shell from Old Red, and hopefully will be able to sell this ridiculous bed cover that came with it. Haven't gotten rid of Old Red yet, might not at all. I'm like Beck, I've got two turntables tacomas and a microphone. I gnu, because you asked for advice... Yes. Although your advice came after I bought it. As for Old Red, I'm very sentimentally attached to him. Been across the country a dozen times, canada to Mexico, one of the few unabashedly good decisions I've ever made. I'm actually working on donating him to the AAC for use as a campground utility vehicle, so I can get the tax write off, not have to pay insurance or licensing anymore, but still keep an eye on him. That could work. I admit that I have never gotten sentimentally attached to my cars, but Subie might be worming her way in. She's staying in teh family for a good long while yet, but when she finally needs to go, in the future... I dunno. I dunno what I'm gonna do when my current car kicks the bucket. There's nothing remotely like it now. And it's making a funny noise that is getting worse and worse, and the first mechanic couldn't diagnose. 70 MPG, and enough room for Allison and I to pack a week's worth of climbing and camping and food and gear. I really hope it never dies. GO What are you driving?
Probably that old Insight. Didn't they introduce a new Insight? I'm amazed you can climb in that thing, it's smaller than the Klown Kar.
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granite_grrl
Aug 6, 2014, 3:39 PM
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caughtinside wrote: lena_chita wrote: camhead wrote: dr_feelgood wrote: camhead wrote: Well, most of ya'll probably already saw on teh facespace, but for the benefit of Doc and Trapper: I got me a gnu Taco. It's a 2002 extended cab 4wd, only had 100k on it, I got it for $9000, was able to pay cash for most of it. Pretty psyched, even the automatic transmission is unexpectedly gneiss. Still need to switch out my sleeper platform and camper shell from Old Red, and hopefully will be able to sell this ridiculous bed cover that came with it. Haven't gotten rid of Old Red yet, might not at all. I'm like Beck, I've got two turntables tacomas and a microphone. I gnu, because you asked for advice... Yes. Although your advice came after I bought it. As for Old Red, I'm very sentimentally attached to him. Been across the country a dozen times, canada to Mexico, one of the few unabashedly good decisions I've ever made. I'm actually working on donating him to the AAC for use as a campground utility vehicle, so I can get the tax write off, not have to pay insurance or licensing anymore, but still keep an eye on him. That could work. I admit that I have never gotten sentimentally attached to my cars, but Subie might be worming her way in. She's staying in teh family for a good long while yet, but when she finally needs to go, in the future... I dunno. I think I've had a soft spot for most of the cars I've owned and it's never easy to sell one. That said, cars take money to maintain even if they aren't getting driven much. It's been my experience that its always a relief once the old car is gone. One less thing to deal with.
I can't say it was that hard for me to kick the old Alero to the curb. But she also made O-Kel yell at a tow truck driver when we were broken down on the side of the road in WV, the horn would go off anytime it was cold and the transmission was shot.
I was psyched when I got $350 for her at the junkyard. Managed to privately sell her winter tires for $300 too.
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granite_grrl
Aug 6, 2014, 3:42 PM
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caughtinside wrote: cracklover wrote: lena_chita wrote: camhead wrote: dr_feelgood wrote: camhead wrote: Well, most of ya'll probably already saw on teh facespace, but for the benefit of Doc and Trapper: I got me a gnu Taco. It's a 2002 extended cab 4wd, only had 100k on it, I got it for $9000, was able to pay cash for most of it. Pretty psyched, even the automatic transmission is unexpectedly gneiss. Still need to switch out my sleeper platform and camper shell from Old Red, and hopefully will be able to sell this ridiculous bed cover that came with it. Haven't gotten rid of Old Red yet, might not at all. I'm like Beck, I've got two turntables tacomas and a microphone. I gnu, because you asked for advice... Yes. Although your advice came after I bought it. As for Old Red, I'm very sentimentally attached to him. Been across the country a dozen times, canada to Mexico, one of the few unabashedly good decisions I've ever made. I'm actually working on donating him to the AAC for use as a campground utility vehicle, so I can get the tax write off, not have to pay insurance or licensing anymore, but still keep an eye on him. That could work. I admit that I have never gotten sentimentally attached to my cars, but Subie might be worming her way in. She's staying in teh family for a good long while yet, but when she finally needs to go, in the future... I dunno. I dunno what I'm gonna do when my current car kicks the bucket. There's nothing remotely like it now. And it's making a funny noise that is getting worse and worse, and the first mechanic couldn't diagnose. 70 MPG, and enough room for Allison and I to pack a week's worth of climbing and camping and food and gear. I really hope it never dies. GO The new Fit looks like a good economy choice. And I'm a big fan of the jetta TDI wagon. You can sleep in it and it gets 50mpg highway. more like 38-42 mixed in town.
In reality the Fit doesn't get that amazing of gas mileage. If I went by the little computer I might be getting mid to high 30s in the MPG, but in reality it gets maybe 34MPG hwy, 30(?)MPG city.
I kinda regret not dishing out the extra cash for a TDI, but it wasn't really in the budget at the time. For what we needed the Fit was a pretty good compromise.
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lena_chita
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cracklover wrote: snoopy138 wrote: caughtinside wrote: snoopy138 wrote: caughtinside wrote: Visited Secret Tom's choss world over the weekend, super fun. Vert granite with cool features/holds. Camhead would be jealous of the punny names. Chains we can believe in, the audacity of Rope, Chalk to the Hand, look whose Chalking, etc. Got bouted on the 3 11deez I tried to onsight. good times. It's knot that sekrit and in the guidebuk now, right? true and true. Still low key though, and guarded by a horrendous hike. You hike down, much like going down into a HOLE. Getting in you get the shaky knees. Going out hurts the quads. I'd say getting out is like doing a Castleton. Maybe 45 minutes to hike out? I forget how long Castleton actually is, been a few years. that sounds approximately like a castleton, I think. Sunday Allison and I finally got to the main "local" crag after moving to CT six weeks ago. Ragged Mountain is actually pretty good climbing, but holy hell, the approach? We followed the approach given in the guidebook. I don't think anyone else does that. It was literally an hour-and-a-quarter tramp through the woods, through backyards, over several roads. Total bullshit. Saw loads of other people at the crag, and after doing the hour-and-a-quarter hike back to the car, noted that ours was still the only car in the lot. Gonna have to figure out the secret-squirrel beta for parking. No way I'm doing that again. GO
You couldn't ask teh people at teh crag?
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granite_grrl
Aug 6, 2014, 4:06 PM
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lena_chita wrote: cracklover wrote: snoopy138 wrote: caughtinside wrote: snoopy138 wrote: caughtinside wrote: Visited Secret Tom's choss world over the weekend, super fun. Vert granite with cool features/holds. Camhead would be jealous of the punny names. Chains we can believe in, the audacity of Rope, Chalk to the Hand, look whose Chalking, etc. Got bouted on the 3 11deez I tried to onsight. good times. It's knot that sekrit and in the guidebuk now, right? true and true. Still low key though, and guarded by a horrendous hike. You hike down, much like going down into a HOLE. Getting in you get the shaky knees. Going out hurts the quads. I'd say getting out is like doing a Castleton. Maybe 45 minutes to hike out? I forget how long Castleton actually is, been a few years. that sounds approximately like a castleton, I think. Sunday Allison and I finally got to the main "local" crag after moving to CT six weeks ago. Ragged Mountain is actually pretty good climbing, but holy hell, the approach? We followed the approach given in the guidebook. I don't think anyone else does that. It was literally an hour-and-a-quarter tramp through the woods, through backyards, over several roads. Total bullshit. Saw loads of other people at the crag, and after doing the hour-and-a-quarter hike back to the car, noted that ours was still the only car in the lot. Gonna have to figure out the secret-squirrel beta for parking. No way I'm doing that again. GO You couldn't ask teh people at teh crag?
Or have followed the cow trail that was probably leading away from the crag?
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lena_chita
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cracklover wrote: lena_chita wrote: camhead wrote: dr_feelgood wrote: camhead wrote: Well, most of ya'll probably already saw on teh facespace, but for the benefit of Doc and Trapper: I got me a gnu Taco. It's a 2002 extended cab 4wd, only had 100k on it, I got it for $9000, was able to pay cash for most of it. Pretty psyched, even the automatic transmission is unexpectedly gneiss. Still need to switch out my sleeper platform and camper shell from Old Red, and hopefully will be able to sell this ridiculous bed cover that came with it. Haven't gotten rid of Old Red yet, might not at all. I'm like Beck, I've got two turntables tacomas and a microphone. I gnu, because you asked for advice... Yes. Although your advice came after I bought it. As for Old Red, I'm very sentimentally attached to him. Been across the country a dozen times, canada to Mexico, one of the few unabashedly good decisions I've ever made. I'm actually working on donating him to the AAC for use as a campground utility vehicle, so I can get the tax write off, not have to pay insurance or licensing anymore, but still keep an eye on him. That could work. I admit that I have never gotten sentimentally attached to my cars, but Subie might be worming her way in. She's staying in teh family for a good long while yet, but when she finally needs to go, in the future... I dunno. I dunno what I'm gonna do when my current car kicks the bucket. There's nothing remotely like it now. And it's making a funny noise that is getting worse and worse, and the first mechanic couldn't diagnose. 70 MPG, and enough room for Allison and I to pack a week's worth of climbing and camping and food and gear. I really hope it never dies. GO
70 mpg, seriously? That is nice.
The 4wd capability/high clearance is fairly essential at the Red, unless you are climbing in Muir Valley. Seems like for half of the crags you need it, these days. And that def cuts into the gas mileage.
Speaking of crappy gas mileage, OMG!!!! The car that we drove in Xzzzz, is the crappiest vehicle ever.
Brand spanking new Jeep Wrangler limited edition Sahara-something-or-other-blah-blah, with all bells and whistles, belongs to Bob-o, Banz's soft spot.
Mind you, Bob-o himself doesn't drive on highways. But he wanted to bring his car, because it is roomy, and because he has a lockbox in the trunk for his gun and laptop and shit. And when Bob-o says jump, Banz only asks how high, because that's how things are.
So who got to drive it and pay for gas? Me and Banz, of course. On the drive from Denver to Xzzz there was a lot of headwind, and the drive is sort of consistently slightly uphill. SO this behemoth averaged 16 mpg, whoopie-dee-doo! It handles horribly, too. We weren't even going anywhere near 70mph, 60-65 at most, and white-knuckled the whole way.
On the way from Xzzz to back East the wind was on our back, and the going downhill overall, so we averaged whooping 19mpg!!! With slighter better handling, but still, I ended up driving through Chicago at 6a.m. in the morning, after sleeping couple hours in the back seat, and I blame any new white hairs on the experience.
And the things is, I can't see it being good off-road vehicle, either. It was barely managing the uphill drive on gravel road at 25mpg, with the engine RPMs going into 6K. And the trunk is not nearly as roomy as you'd think it would be, between the monster tires, and the lockbox, 3 backpacks in the back would be enough to not be able to see out of the back window at all.
I wouldn't take it if someone gave it to me free... Well, no, I would take it, and then turn around and sell it to a guy whose manhood needs a boost.
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dr_feelgood wrote: snoopy138 wrote: dr_feelgood wrote: snoopy138 wrote: caughtinside wrote: snoopy138 wrote: caughtinside wrote: Visited Secret Tom's choss world over the weekend, super fun. Vert granite with cool features/holds. Camhead would be jealous of the punny names. Chains we can believe in, the audacity of Rope, Chalk to the Hand, look whose Chalking, etc. Got bouted on the 3 11deez I tried to onsight. good times. It's knot that sekrit and in the guidebuk now, right? true and true. Still low key though, and guarded by a horrendous hike. You hike down, much like going down into a HOLE. Getting in you get the shaky knees. Going out hurts the quads. I'd say getting out is like doing a Castleton. Maybe 45 minutes to hike out? I forget how long Castleton actually is, been a few years. that sounds approximately like a castleton, I think. This looks approximately like a ptftw, I think. approximately, but not exactly. What a Pyrrhic victory you've won.
I thought about zending you an approximate-francisgram.
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granite_grrl wrote: camhead wrote: granite_grrl wrote: carabiner96 wrote: My callouses are getting pretty intense, especially on my pinky. Thoughts? I'm worried I'll absent mindedly chew them off. Don't talk to me about callouses and skin issues. You have any idea what dry tool training in this heat and humidity does to your hands?! Probably not as bad as campusing outside in Dubbya Vee summer conditions. Possibly, but I'm not convinced. You should see my friend Neil's hands as he's doing figure 4 training in a 35C attic. I told him to cut that shit out.
cut out teh peg-boreding? gud advice.
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granite_grrl wrote: lena_chita wrote: granite_grrl wrote: We're trying to decide what kind of route we're going with our Sprinter purchase. We found an '06 with 130000km on it, but we're hesitant to buy an older vehicle. Especially when I've heard the Sprinters are expensive to maintain. Hard to find the exact info we want on the interwebs though. I never got those pics for you, did I? My phone was always either out of battery, or not on me when I was near the van. Ugh! I am sorry. Do you know Dave and Julia? You could ask them directly, Dave would be all too happy to talk about it. He is a geeky engineer type, too, so he did all the numbers before buying theirs. Where were Dave and Julia from? I don't think I've met them, but then there are a lot of people I would only know by their face. It's tempting just to go buy one, but there are too many things to consider for that.
Charleston, WV. But J is originally from Canada. (all Canadians know each other, right? assuming they bump into each other in the white emptiness!)
They are Banz's good friends, Banz has had a soft spot for J. from the get-go. (Well, to be precise, he's had a very HARD spot for her, but she was not interested). I think they met initially during Banz's road trip, and he talked J into coming out East, and introduced her to D., and the rest is history. They are both really nice people, and fun to hang out with.
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granite_grrl wrote: caughtinside wrote: cracklover wrote: lena_chita wrote: camhead wrote: dr_feelgood wrote: camhead wrote: Well, most of ya'll probably already saw on teh facespace, but for the benefit of Doc and Trapper: I got me a gnu Taco. It's a 2002 extended cab 4wd, only had 100k on it, I got it for $9000, was able to pay cash for most of it. Pretty psyched, even the automatic transmission is unexpectedly gneiss. Still need to switch out my sleeper platform and camper shell from Old Red, and hopefully will be able to sell this ridiculous bed cover that came with it. Haven't gotten rid of Old Red yet, might not at all. I'm like Beck, I've got two turntables tacomas and a microphone. I gnu, because you asked for advice... Yes. Although your advice came after I bought it. As for Old Red, I'm very sentimentally attached to him. Been across the country a dozen times, canada to Mexico, one of the few unabashedly good decisions I've ever made. I'm actually working on donating him to the AAC for use as a campground utility vehicle, so I can get the tax write off, not have to pay insurance or licensing anymore, but still keep an eye on him. That could work. I admit that I have never gotten sentimentally attached to my cars, but Subie might be worming her way in. She's staying in teh family for a good long while yet, but when she finally needs to go, in the future... I dunno. I dunno what I'm gonna do when my current car kicks the bucket. There's nothing remotely like it now. And it's making a funny noise that is getting worse and worse, and the first mechanic couldn't diagnose. 70 MPG, and enough room for Allison and I to pack a week's worth of climbing and camping and food and gear. I really hope it never dies. GO The new Fit looks like a good economy choice. And I'm a big fan of the jetta TDI wagon. You can sleep in it and it gets 50mpg highway. more like 38-42 mixed in town. In reality the Fit doesn't get that amazing of gas mileage. If I went by the little computer I might be getting mid to high 30s in the MPG, but in reality it gets maybe 34MPG hwy, 30(?)MPG city. I kinda regret not dishing out the extra cash for a TDI, but it wasn't really in the budget at the time. For what we needed the Fit was a pretty good compromise.
I think the Fit is a good car. 30 and 34 are still pretty good numbers for a conventional gas car, and I think it costs 10k less than the Jetta TDI which is a lot of cash.
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lena_chita wrote: cracklover wrote: lena_chita wrote: camhead wrote: dr_feelgood wrote: camhead wrote: Well, most of ya'll probably already saw on teh facespace, but for the benefit of Doc and Trapper: I got me a gnu Taco. It's a 2002 extended cab 4wd, only had 100k on it, I got it for $9000, was able to pay cash for most of it. Pretty psyched, even the automatic transmission is unexpectedly gneiss. Still need to switch out my sleeper platform and camper shell from Old Red, and hopefully will be able to sell this ridiculous bed cover that came with it. Haven't gotten rid of Old Red yet, might not at all. I'm like Beck, I've got two turntables tacomas and a microphone. I gnu, because you asked for advice... Yes. Although your advice came after I bought it. As for Old Red, I'm very sentimentally attached to him. Been across the country a dozen times, canada to Mexico, one of the few unabashedly good decisions I've ever made. I'm actually working on donating him to the AAC for use as a campground utility vehicle, so I can get the tax write off, not have to pay insurance or licensing anymore, but still keep an eye on him. That could work. I admit that I have never gotten sentimentally attached to my cars, but Subie might be worming her way in. She's staying in teh family for a good long while yet, but when she finally needs to go, in the future... I dunno. I dunno what I'm gonna do when my current car kicks the bucket. There's nothing remotely like it now. And it's making a funny noise that is getting worse and worse, and the first mechanic couldn't diagnose. 70 MPG, and enough room for Allison and I to pack a week's worth of climbing and camping and food and gear. I really hope it never dies. GO 70 mpg, seriously? That is nice. The 4wd capability/high clearance is fairly essential at the Red, unless you are climbing in Muir Valley. Seems like for half of the crags you need it, these days. And that def cuts into the gas mileage. Speaking of crappy gas mileage, OMG!!!! The car that we drove in Xzzzz, is the crappiest vehicle ever. Brand spanking new Jeep Wrangler limited edition Sahara-something-or-other-blah-blah, with all bells and whistles, belongs to Bob-o, Banz's soft spot. Mind you, Bob-o himself doesn't drive on highways. But he wanted to bring his car, because it is roomy, and because he has a lockbox in the trunk for his gun and laptop and shit. And when Bob-o says jump, Banz only asks how high, because that's how things are. So who got to drive it and pay for gas? Me and Banz, of course. On the drive from Denver to Xzzz there was a lot of headwind, and the drive is sort of consistently slightly uphill. SO this behemoth averaged 16 mpg, whoopie-dee-doo! It handles horribly, too. We weren't even going anywhere near 70mph, 60-65 at most, and white-knuckled the whole way. On the way from Xzzz to back East the wind was on our back, and the going downhill overall, so we averaged whooping 19mpg!!! With slighter better handling, but still, I ended up driving through Chicago at 6a.m. in the morning, after sleeping couple hours in the back seat, and I blame any new white hairs on the experience. And the things is, I can't see it being good off-road vehicle, either. It was barely managing the uphill drive on gravel road at 25mpg, with the engine RPMs going into 6K. And the trunk is not nearly as roomy as you'd think it would be, between the monster tires, and the lockbox, 3 backpacks in the back would be enough to not be able to see out of the back window at all. I wouldn't take it if someone gave it to me free... Well, no, I would take it, and then turn around and sell it to a guy whose manhood needs a boost.
Jeep Wranglers... they are fun, but that's it. They have been the most unreliable car you can buy off the lot for 20 years running, no joke. Terrible on the highway, poorly designed for passenger comfort, worst mpg, loud and stupid. Naturally, they are wildly popular with Americans.
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lena_chita wrote: cracklover wrote: lena_chita wrote: camhead wrote: dr_feelgood wrote: camhead wrote: Well, most of ya'll probably already saw on teh facespace, but for the benefit of Doc and Trapper: I got me a gnu Taco. It's a 2002 extended cab 4wd, only had 100k on it, I got it for $9000, was able to pay cash for most of it. Pretty psyched, even the automatic transmission is unexpectedly gneiss. Still need to switch out my sleeper platform and camper shell from Old Red, and hopefully will be able to sell this ridiculous bed cover that came with it. Haven't gotten rid of Old Red yet, might not at all. I'm like Beck, I've got two turntables tacomas and a microphone. I gnu, because you asked for advice... Yes. Although your advice came after I bought it. As for Old Red, I'm very sentimentally attached to him. Been across the country a dozen times, canada to Mexico, one of the few unabashedly good decisions I've ever made. I'm actually working on donating him to the AAC for use as a campground utility vehicle, so I can get the tax write off, not have to pay insurance or licensing anymore, but still keep an eye on him. That could work. I admit that I have never gotten sentimentally attached to my cars, but Subie might be worming her way in. She's staying in teh family for a good long while yet, but when she finally needs to go, in the future... I dunno. I dunno what I'm gonna do when my current car kicks the bucket. There's nothing remotely like it now. And it's making a funny noise that is getting worse and worse, and the first mechanic couldn't diagnose. 70 MPG, and enough room for Allison and I to pack a week's worth of climbing and camping and food and gear. I really hope it never dies. GO 70 mpg, seriously? That is nice. The 4wd capability/high clearance is fairly essential at the Red, unless you are climbing in Muir Valley. Seems like for half of the crags you need it, these days. And that def cuts into the gas mileage.
Or if you haz a klown kar. That seemed to werk gud.
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lena_chita
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caughtinside wrote: lena_chita wrote: cracklover wrote: lena_chita wrote: camhead wrote: dr_feelgood wrote: camhead wrote: Well, most of ya'll probably already saw on teh facespace, but for the benefit of Doc and Trapper: I got me a gnu Taco. It's a 2002 extended cab 4wd, only had 100k on it, I got it for $9000, was able to pay cash for most of it. Pretty psyched, even the automatic transmission is unexpectedly gneiss. Still need to switch out my sleeper platform and camper shell from Old Red, and hopefully will be able to sell this ridiculous bed cover that came with it. Haven't gotten rid of Old Red yet, might not at all. I'm like Beck, I've got two turntables tacomas and a microphone. I gnu, because you asked for advice... Yes. Although your advice came after I bought it. As for Old Red, I'm very sentimentally attached to him. Been across the country a dozen times, canada to Mexico, one of the few unabashedly good decisions I've ever made. I'm actually working on donating him to the AAC for use as a campground utility vehicle, so I can get the tax write off, not have to pay insurance or licensing anymore, but still keep an eye on him. That could work. I admit that I have never gotten sentimentally attached to my cars, but Subie might be worming her way in. She's staying in teh family for a good long while yet, but when she finally needs to go, in the future... I dunno. I dunno what I'm gonna do when my current car kicks the bucket. There's nothing remotely like it now. And it's making a funny noise that is getting worse and worse, and the first mechanic couldn't diagnose. 70 MPG, and enough room for Allison and I to pack a week's worth of climbing and camping and food and gear. I really hope it never dies. GO 70 mpg, seriously? That is nice. The 4wd capability/high clearance is fairly essential at the Red, unless you are climbing in Muir Valley. Seems like for half of the crags you need it, these days. And that def cuts into the gas mileage. Speaking of crappy gas mileage, OMG!!!! The car that we drove in Xzzzz, is the crappiest vehicle ever. Brand spanking new Jeep Wrangler limited edition Sahara-something-or-other-blah-blah, with all bells and whistles, belongs to Bob-o, Banz's soft spot. Mind you, Bob-o himself doesn't drive on highways. But he wanted to bring his car, because it is roomy, and because he has a lockbox in the trunk for his gun and laptop and shit. And when Bob-o says jump, Banz only asks how high, because that's how things are. So who got to drive it and pay for gas? Me and Banz, of course. On the drive from Denver to Xzzz there was a lot of headwind, and the drive is sort of consistently slightly uphill. SO this behemoth averaged 16 mpg, whoopie-dee-doo! It handles horribly, too. We weren't even going anywhere near 70mph, 60-65 at most, and white-knuckled the whole way. On the way from Xzzz to back East the wind was on our back, and the going downhill overall, so we averaged whooping 19mpg!!! With slighter better handling, but still, I ended up driving through Chicago at 6a.m. in the morning, after sleeping couple hours in the back seat, and I blame any new white hairs on the experience. And the things is, I can't see it being good off-road vehicle, either. It was barely managing the uphill drive on gravel road at 25mpg, with the engine RPMs going into 6K. And the trunk is not nearly as roomy as you'd think it would be, between the monster tires, and the lockbox, 3 backpacks in the back would be enough to not be able to see out of the back window at all. I wouldn't take it if someone gave it to me free... Well, no, I would take it, and then turn around and sell it to a guy whose manhood needs a boost. Jeep Wranglers... they are fun, but that's it. They have been the most unreliable car you can buy off the lot for 20 years running, no joke. Terrible on the highway, poorly designed for passenger comfort, worst mpg, loud and stupid. Naturally, they are wildly popular with Americans.
Yeah, it was very loud. I think Bob-o buys a new car every year, or every other year at most, something like that. Even unreliable cars manage to be decent in the first couple years. But I really can't figure out why you'd need this car, or want it.
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cracklover wrote: lena_chita wrote: camhead wrote: dr_feelgood wrote: camhead wrote: Well, most of ya'll probably already saw on teh facespace, but for the benefit of Doc and Trapper: I got me a gnu Taco. It's a 2002 extended cab 4wd, only had 100k on it, I got it for $9000, was able to pay cash for most of it. Pretty psyched, even the automatic transmission is unexpectedly gneiss. Still need to switch out my sleeper platform and camper shell from Old Red, and hopefully will be able to sell this ridiculous bed cover that came with it. Haven't gotten rid of Old Red yet, might not at all. I'm like Beck, I've got two turntables tacomas and a microphone. I gnu, because you asked for advice... Yes. Although your advice came after I bought it. As for Old Red, I'm very sentimentally attached to him. Been across the country a dozen times, canada to Mexico, one of the few unabashedly good decisions I've ever made. I'm actually working on donating him to the AAC for use as a campground utility vehicle, so I can get the tax write off, not have to pay insurance or licensing anymore, but still keep an eye on him. That could work. I admit that I have never gotten sentimentally attached to my cars, but Subie might be worming her way in. She's staying in teh family for a good long while yet, but when she finally needs to go, in the future... I dunno. I dunno what I'm gonna do when my current car kicks the bucket. There's nothing remotely like it now. And it's making a funny noise that is getting worse and worse, and the first mechanic couldn't diagnose. 70 MPG, and enough room for Allison and I to pack a week's worth of climbing and camping and food and gear. I really hope it never dies. GO
What are you driving?
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climbs4fun wrote: cracklover wrote: lena_chita wrote: camhead wrote: dr_feelgood wrote: camhead wrote: Well, most of ya'll probably already saw on teh facespace, but for the benefit of Doc and Trapper: I got me a gnu Taco. It's a 2002 extended cab 4wd, only had 100k on it, I got it for $9000, was able to pay cash for most of it. Pretty psyched, even the automatic transmission is unexpectedly gneiss. Still need to switch out my sleeper platform and camper shell from Old Red, and hopefully will be able to sell this ridiculous bed cover that came with it. Haven't gotten rid of Old Red yet, might not at all. I'm like Beck, I've got two turntables tacomas and a microphone. I gnu, because you asked for advice... Yes. Although your advice came after I bought it. As for Old Red, I'm very sentimentally attached to him. Been across the country a dozen times, canada to Mexico, one of the few unabashedly good decisions I've ever made. I'm actually working on donating him to the AAC for use as a campground utility vehicle, so I can get the tax write off, not have to pay insurance or licensing anymore, but still keep an eye on him. That could work. I admit that I have never gotten sentimentally attached to my cars, but Subie might be worming her way in. She's staying in teh family for a good long while yet, but when she finally needs to go, in the future... I dunno. I dunno what I'm gonna do when my current car kicks the bucket. There's nothing remotely like it now. And it's making a funny noise that is getting worse and worse, and the first mechanic couldn't diagnose. 70 MPG, and enough room for Allison and I to pack a week's worth of climbing and camping and food and gear. I really hope it never dies. GO What are you driving?
Dangit! GU'd!. It's been a long time since that happened
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caughtinside wrote: granite_grrl wrote: caughtinside wrote: cracklover wrote: lena_chita wrote: camhead wrote: dr_feelgood wrote: camhead wrote: Well, most of ya'll probably already saw on teh facespace, but for the benefit of Doc and Trapper: I got me a gnu Taco. It's a 2002 extended cab 4wd, only had 100k on it, I got it for $9000, was able to pay cash for most of it. Pretty psyched, even the automatic transmission is unexpectedly gneiss. Still need to switch out my sleeper platform and camper shell from Old Red, and hopefully will be able to sell this ridiculous bed cover that came with it. Haven't gotten rid of Old Red yet, might not at all. I'm like Beck, I've got two turntables tacomas and a microphone. I gnu, because you asked for advice... Yes. Although your advice came after I bought it. As for Old Red, I'm very sentimentally attached to him. Been across the country a dozen times, canada to Mexico, one of the few unabashedly good decisions I've ever made. I'm actually working on donating him to the AAC for use as a campground utility vehicle, so I can get the tax write off, not have to pay insurance or licensing anymore, but still keep an eye on him. That could work. I admit that I have never gotten sentimentally attached to my cars, but Subie might be worming her way in. She's staying in teh family for a good long while yet, but when she finally needs to go, in the future... I dunno. I dunno what I'm gonna do when my current car kicks the bucket. There's nothing remotely like it now. And it's making a funny noise that is getting worse and worse, and the first mechanic couldn't diagnose. 70 MPG, and enough room for Allison and I to pack a week's worth of climbing and camping and food and gear. I really hope it never dies. GO The new Fit looks like a good economy choice. And I'm a big fan of the jetta TDI wagon. You can sleep in it and it gets 50mpg highway. more like 38-42 mixed in town. In reality the Fit doesn't get that amazing of gas mileage. If I went by the little computer I might be getting mid to high 30s in the MPG, but in reality it gets maybe 34MPG hwy, 30(?)MPG city. I kinda regret not dishing out the extra cash for a TDI, but it wasn't really in the budget at the time. For what we needed the Fit was a pretty good compromise. I think the Fit is a good car. 30 and 34 are still pretty good numbers for a conventional gas car, and I think it costs 10k less than the Jetta TDI which is a lot of cash.
$10k buys a lot of gas.
And if you think about it we fill the car what, 5 times a month? Maybe 6 if you average it out with a couple of road trips. Right now I'm paying $45 a tank, so ~ $3240 a year.
If I could get twice as good of gas mileage with the TDI, it's a savings of $1620....which means I would make up that 10k price difference in a little over 6 years. But I don't think the TDI gets 65-70MPG, does it?
Yes, I think for a climber the Fit is one of the best cars around. You can put a shit ton of stuff in it. It's not bad to sleep in with the seats folded down (I think with the front seats pushed up there's ~5'10" of room? good for me, Nathan gets cramped). Has super low clearance though....but so do most small cars so what can you do.
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granite_grrl wrote: caughtinside wrote: granite_grrl wrote: caughtinside wrote: cracklover wrote: lena_chita wrote: camhead wrote: dr_feelgood wrote: camhead wrote: Well, most of ya'll probably already saw on teh facespace, but for the benefit of Doc and Trapper: I got me a gnu Taco. It's a 2002 extended cab 4wd, only had 100k on it, I got it for $9000, was able to pay cash for most of it. Pretty psyched, even the automatic transmission is unexpectedly gneiss. Still need to switch out my sleeper platform and camper shell from Old Red, and hopefully will be able to sell this ridiculous bed cover that came with it. Haven't gotten rid of Old Red yet, might not at all. I'm like Beck, I've got two turntables tacomas and a microphone. I gnu, because you asked for advice... Yes. Although your advice came after I bought it. As for Old Red, I'm very sentimentally attached to him. Been across the country a dozen times, canada to Mexico, one of the few unabashedly good decisions I've ever made. I'm actually working on donating him to the AAC for use as a campground utility vehicle, so I can get the tax write off, not have to pay insurance or licensing anymore, but still keep an eye on him. That could work. I admit that I have never gotten sentimentally attached to my cars, but Subie might be worming her way in. She's staying in teh family for a good long while yet, but when she finally needs to go, in the future... I dunno. I dunno what I'm gonna do when my current car kicks the bucket. There's nothing remotely like it now. And it's making a funny noise that is getting worse and worse, and the first mechanic couldn't diagnose. 70 MPG, and enough room for Allison and I to pack a week's worth of climbing and camping and food and gear. I really hope it never dies. GO The new Fit looks like a good economy choice. And I'm a big fan of the jetta TDI wagon. You can sleep in it and it gets 50mpg highway. more like 38-42 mixed in town. In reality the Fit doesn't get that amazing of gas mileage. If I went by the little computer I might be getting mid to high 30s in the MPG, but in reality it gets maybe 34MPG hwy, 30(?)MPG city. I kinda regret not dishing out the extra cash for a TDI, but it wasn't really in the budget at the time. For what we needed the Fit was a pretty good compromise. I think the Fit is a good car. 30 and 34 are still pretty good numbers for a conventional gas car, and I think it costs 10k less than the Jetta TDI which is a lot of cash. $10k buys a lot of gas. And if you think about it we fill the car what, 5 times a month? Maybe 6 if you average it out with a couple of road trips. Right now I'm paying $45 a tank, so ~ $3240 a year. If I could get twice as good of gas mileage with the TDI, it's a savings of $1620....which means I would make up that 10k price difference in a little over 6 years. But I don't think the TDI gets 65-70MPG, does it? Yes, I think for a climber the Fit is one of the best cars around. You can put a shit ton of stuff in it. It's not bad to sleep in with the seats folded down (I think with the front seats pushed up there's ~5'10" of room? good for me, Nathan gets cramped). Has super low clearance though....but so do most small cars so what can you do.
Yeah I did the numbers on TDI versus conventional gas model when we bought it. I think my back of the envelope math came to it evens out after 7 years? But, diesel has gone down since then so it might be quicker.
One thing we didn't really factor was resale. The diesels hold their value much longer than gas because of their engine longevity. Lightly used models were so expensive it didn't make sense to not buy new.
I tend to hold cars a long time so it wasn't hard to decide. Plus its really the loyerette's ride and she was a big fan of the handling, comfort and giant sunroof. I'm still driving the old 2001 jetta with 165k. It runs good though so I'm going to stick with it, and just borrow the TDI when I want something I can sleep in.
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caughtinside wrote: granite_grrl wrote: caughtinside wrote: granite_grrl wrote: caughtinside wrote: cracklover wrote: lena_chita wrote: camhead wrote: dr_feelgood wrote: camhead wrote: Well, most of ya'll probably already saw on teh facespace, but for the benefit of Doc and Trapper: I got me a gnu Taco. It's a 2002 extended cab 4wd, only had 100k on it, I got it for $9000, was able to pay cash for most of it. Pretty psyched, even the automatic transmission is unexpectedly gneiss. Still need to switch out my sleeper platform and camper shell from Old Red, and hopefully will be able to sell this ridiculous bed cover that came with it. Haven't gotten rid of Old Red yet, might not at all. I'm like Beck, I've got two turntables tacomas and a microphone. I gnu, because you asked for advice... Yes. Although your advice came after I bought it. As for Old Red, I'm very sentimentally attached to him. Been across the country a dozen times, canada to Mexico, one of the few unabashedly good decisions I've ever made. I'm actually working on donating him to the AAC for use as a campground utility vehicle, so I can get the tax write off, not have to pay insurance or licensing anymore, but still keep an eye on him. That could work. I admit that I have never gotten sentimentally attached to my cars, but Subie might be worming her way in. She's staying in teh family for a good long while yet, but when she finally needs to go, in the future... I dunno. I dunno what I'm gonna do when my current car kicks the bucket. There's nothing remotely like it now. And it's making a funny noise that is getting worse and worse, and the first mechanic couldn't diagnose. 70 MPG, and enough room for Allison and I to pack a week's worth of climbing and camping and food and gear. I really hope it never dies. GO The new Fit looks like a good economy choice. And I'm a big fan of the jetta TDI wagon. You can sleep in it and it gets 50mpg highway. more like 38-42 mixed in town. In reality the Fit doesn't get that amazing of gas mileage. If I went by the little computer I might be getting mid to high 30s in the MPG, but in reality it gets maybe 34MPG hwy, 30(?)MPG city. I kinda regret not dishing out the extra cash for a TDI, but it wasn't really in the budget at the time. For what we needed the Fit was a pretty good compromise. I think the Fit is a good car. 30 and 34 are still pretty good numbers for a conventional gas car, and I think it costs 10k less than the Jetta TDI which is a lot of cash. $10k buys a lot of gas. And if you think about it we fill the car what, 5 times a month? Maybe 6 if you average it out with a couple of road trips. Right now I'm paying $45 a tank, so ~ $3240 a year. If I could get twice as good of gas mileage with the TDI, it's a savings of $1620....which means I would make up that 10k price difference in a little over 6 years. But I don't think the TDI gets 65-70MPG, does it? Yes, I think for a climber the Fit is one of the best cars around. You can put a shit ton of stuff in it. It's not bad to sleep in with the seats folded down (I think with the front seats pushed up there's ~5'10" of room? good for me, Nathan gets cramped). Has super low clearance though....but so do most small cars so what can you do. Yeah I did the numbers on TDI versus conventional gas model when we bought it. I think my back of the envelope math came to it evens out after 7 years? But, diesel has gone down since then so it might be quicker. One thing we didn't really factor was resale. The diesels hold their value much longer than gas because of their engine longevity. Lightly used models were so expensive it didn't make sense to not buy new. I tend to hold cars a long time so it wasn't hard to decide. Plus its really the loyerette's ride and she was a big fan of the handling, comfort and giant sunroof. I'm still driving the old 2001 jetta with 165k. It runs good though so I'm going to stick with it, and just borrow the TDI when I want something I can sleep in.
OH yes, my $ numbers were jetta wagon tdi versus jetta wagon gas. I think the mpgs I used were 48 vs 32, and the price difference between those two was 5k. Obviously the 10k difference between Fit and TDI is much larger, more apples and oranges.
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