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camhead wrote: This week has been the first that I really started seeing payoff. Am doing v7-8 pretty consistently at all the gyms, and it is nice to be able to hang with the cockroaches that are half my age, heh. I've started gradually moving into some PE, too; the new mega-gym (Cliffs at LIC, have you been there yet, Lena?) has really nice rope routes. The other day Karen and I were in there in early afternoon, it was pretty empty, and we got some great volume in; I think I did 15 pitches back to back, all of 11s and 12s. dude, you just soaked my office.
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snoopy138
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caughtinside
Feb 11, 2015, 7:53 PM
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Yeah nothing like a gym spray down.
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lena_chita
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camhead wrote: More training tawk: I'm actually skinning the bored hanging this time around. My finger strength is fine for the goals I have this season (actually am able to do seven second hangs on the Beastmaker monos!) , but my bouldering power is definitely not. I figured since I have access to three excellent gyms this month in NYC, I should just jump right into power in order to be best prepared for the March/April season. Mostly been doing just bouldering at my max, with one day a week of campusing. This week has been the first that I really started seeing payoff. Am doing v7-8 pretty consistently at all the gyms, and it is nice to be able to hang with the cockroaches that are half my age, heh. I've started gradually moving into some PE, too; the new mega-gym (Cliffs at LIC, have you been there yet, Lena?) has really nice rope routes. The other day Karen and I were in there in early afternoon, it was pretty empty, and we got some great volume in; I think I did 15 pitches back to back, all of 11s and 12s. Okey, end of spraydown. No, I haven't been to Cliffs at LIC yet. I should make a point of going, You make it sound like a cloud-soft place to hang out, I need an ego boost. I'd like to try out the two new Columbus gyms sometime soon-- the new Kinetic and the new VA. I have been postponing it until I was in better shape, and could boulder (for Kinetic). but now the weather is getting close for outdoor climbing, soooo... Maybe if the weather is crabby for my next kidling-free weekend, we might head to Columbus for a day. Seriously though, nice jorb crushing. I kinda feel that if I didn't have the bum knee, I might have skipped the hangboard this time around, too. because power is what's holding me back much more than finger strength at the moment. But I couldn't boulder just yet, so I figured that I might as well do hangboard first, and I feel pretty darn good about the results right now. Not looking forward to campusing, because I don't have a training buddy for that part... Ed can't really campus, so he is focusing on bouldering for the power stage. And I am hoping to do a combination of bouldering and campusing for the next 3 weeks at least, switching to mostly bouldering and 4x4s for the PE phase. And I am hoping to have an extended PE phase... we'll see.
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granite_grrl
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lena_chita wrote: For me, taking 3.5-4 weeks to do dedicated hangboard, instead of fitting hangboard with climbing is SOOOO worth it. I think you should do that, instead of hangboard once or twice a week between climbing. I had started on january 13th, and the only climbing I had done in the past 4 weeks was just a little bit of easy stuff to warmup, with the emphasis on not getting pumped. I like this idea, but it's still game on ice season. It may be possible to do this in about a month when the ice starts getting crappy, drytool routes unfrozen, but rock is too cold and wet (except them it's way too tempting to hit up a couple of the early season South facing cliffs). I tend to make the shoulder of my shoulder season very short.
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granite_grrl
Feb 11, 2015, 8:37 PM
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lena_chita wrote: Not looking forward to campusing, because I don't have a training buddy for that part... Ed can't really campus, so he is focusing on bouldering for the power stage. And I am hoping to do a combination of bouldering and campusing for the next 3 weeks at least, switching to mostly bouldering and 4x4s for the PE phase. And I am hoping to have an extended PE phase... we'll see. What alternatives are there for a power phase if you don't have access to a campus board (I'm not sure if I'm even capable of campusing either)? I'm also realizing I need to get more explosive power from my legs for doing steinpull moves.
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lena_chita
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granite_grrl wrote: lena_chita wrote: Not looking forward to campusing, because I don't have a training buddy for that part... Ed can't really campus, so he is focusing on bouldering for the power stage. And I am hoping to do a combination of bouldering and campusing for the next 3 weeks at least, switching to mostly bouldering and 4x4s for the PE phase. And I am hoping to have an extended PE phase... we'll see. What alternatives are there for a power phase if you don't have access to a campus board (I'm not sure if I'm even capable of campusing either)? I'm also realizing I need to get more explosive power from my legs for doing steinpull moves. Bouldering. It is harder to isolate muscles while bouldering, but the bottom line is that power = (force x distance) / time. So power moves are dynamic (traveling over large distance in short period of time) or applying maximal force. You don't want a boulder problem with 20 moves in it, you want a boulder problem with just a few moves, and every one of them maximal-effort. You actually want stuff that you would be failing on, instead of sending, and you would be measuring improvement in how much closer you got to a hold, and maybe never even send. Though I think it is better to pick something that you would eventually send, but in 40 goes over couple weeks, not in 3 goes over one session (nothing wrong with those, but they would be more for PE). I think a setup like Kris suggests would be great if you have a small woody, instead of the bouldering gym. http://www.powercompanyclimbing.com/...t-1-why-and-how.html The idea is that you have a bunch of holds, and they are positioned symmetrical, from the center. And you can fine-tune your moves on left and right , doing exactly the same type of move, to the same type of hold. And you can easily change things up-- so let's say you are going to a hold that is a jug 3 feet to the right and 2 feet up. Or 3 feet to the left and 2 feet up. And that's easy. Then you switch it to smaller hold. Or put the hold farther apart. or both. And you use different feet to do it... It would be sort of like making one-move boulder problem for yourself.
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lena_chita
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lena_chita wrote: granite_grrl wrote: lena_chita wrote: Not looking forward to campusing, because I don't have a training buddy for that part... Ed can't really campus, so he is focusing on bouldering for the power stage. And I am hoping to do a combination of bouldering and campusing for the next 3 weeks at least, switching to mostly bouldering and 4x4s for the PE phase. And I am hoping to have an extended PE phase... we'll see. What alternatives are there for a power phase if you don't have access to a campus board (I'm not sure if I'm even capable of campusing either)? I'm also realizing I need to get more explosive power from my legs for doing steinpull moves. Bouldering. It is harder to isolate muscles while bouldering, but the bottom line is that power = (force x distance) / time. So power moves are dynamic (traveling over large distance in short period of time) or applying maximal force. You don't want a boulder problem with 20 moves in it, you want a boulder problem with just a few moves, and every one of them maximal-effort. You actually want stuff that you would be failing on, instead of sending, and you would be measuring improvement in how much closer you got to a hold, and maybe never even send. Though I think it is better to pick something that you would eventually send, but in 40 goes over couple weeks, not in 3 goes over one session (nothing wrong with those, but they would be more for PE). I think a setup like Kris suggests would be great if you have a small woody, instead of the bouldering gym. http://www.powercompanyclimbing.com/...t-1-why-and-how.html The idea is that you have a bunch of holds, and they are positioned symmetrical, from the center. And you can fine-tune your moves on left and right , doing exactly the same type of move, to the same type of hold. And you can easily change things up-- so let's say you are going to a hold that is a jug 3 feet to the right and 2 feet up. Or 3 feet to the left and 2 feet up. And that's easy. Then you switch it to smaller hold. Or put the hold farther apart. or both. And you use different feet to do it... It would be sort of like making one-move boulder problem for yourself. oh, and I forgot. Manderson book does go over how you can do power training on hangboard, if you can't have campusing or bouldering. it is not optimal, but...
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dr_feelgood
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macherry wrote: camhead wrote: granite_grrl wrote: dr_feelgood wrote: snoopy138 wrote: camhead wrote: lena_chita wrote: Walking to work this morning, looking at the frozen footprints in the ice, I noticed that I am DEFINITELY not the only person wearing crampons over my shoes. I was really happy to have them, too. Sigh... I wish this winter would end already! No schit. It has snowed essentially every day since I've arrived in NYC. We're having some great ski days and ice climbing, but I'm missing those occasional days of crisp sun at the NRG. Am getting stronger in the gyms here, though. It will pay off. it's supposed to be a high of 80 in the santa monicas this weke end. just yore weekly socak weather update. Sunny and 50s out here. Can you send us some of your snow? I'll send you some snow if you send us some mountains. After running around the Alps for the last couple of weeks I think I'd like to try skiing. Pretty psyched on skiing now myself right now too, though it's pretty pathetic that I grew up in Yewtaw, but didn't really downhill ski until moved East. that is pathetic. what's up with that! no snow anywhere out west. we've had rain for the past week. it's craptastic I feel your pain. I do.
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dr_feelgood
Feb 12, 2015, 2:08 AM
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snoopy138 wrote: dr_feelgood wrote: snoopy138 wrote: camhead wrote: lena_chita wrote: Walking to work this morning, looking at the frozen footprints in the ice, I noticed that I am DEFINITELY not the only person wearing crampons over my shoes. I was really happy to have them, too. Sigh... I wish this winter would end already! No schit. It has snowed essentially every day since I've arrived in NYC. We're having some great ski days and ice climbing, but I'm missing those occasional days of crisp sun at the NRG. Am getting stronger in the gyms here, though. It will pay off. it's supposed to be a high of 80 in the santa monicas this weke end. just yore weekly socak weather update. Sunny and 50s out here. Can you send us some of your snow? do we haz any to zend ewe? When ya'll are drinking yore own urine, then we can say the Califronia drout is official.
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dr_feelgood
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dr_feelgood wrote: macherry wrote: camhead wrote: granite_grrl wrote: dr_feelgood wrote: snoopy138 wrote: camhead wrote: lena_chita wrote: Walking to work this morning, looking at the frozen footprints in the ice, I noticed that I am DEFINITELY not the only person wearing crampons over my shoes. I was really happy to have them, too. Sigh... I wish this winter would end already! No schit. It has snowed essentially every day since I've arrived in NYC. We're having some great ski days and ice climbing, but I'm missing those occasional days of crisp sun at the NRG. Am getting stronger in the gyms here, though. It will pay off. it's supposed to be a high of 80 in the santa monicas this weke end. just yore weekly socak weather update. Sunny and 50s out here. Can you send us some of your snow? I'll send you some snow if you send us some mountains. After running around the Alps for the last couple of weeks I think I'd like to try skiing. Pretty psyched on skiing now myself right now too, though it's pretty pathetic that I grew up in Yewtaw, but didn't really downhill ski until moved East. that is pathetic. what's up with that! no snow anywhere out west. we've had rain for the past week. it's craptastic I feel your pain. I do. Although, the backcountry has been real good if one is willing to get up high enough...
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dr_feelgood
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dr_feelgood wrote: dr_feelgood wrote: macherry wrote: camhead wrote: granite_grrl wrote: dr_feelgood wrote: snoopy138 wrote: camhead wrote: lena_chita wrote: Walking to work this morning, looking at the frozen footprints in the ice, I noticed that I am DEFINITELY not the only person wearing crampons over my shoes. I was really happy to have them, too. Sigh... I wish this winter would end already! No schit. It has snowed essentially every day since I've arrived in NYC. We're having some great ski days and ice climbing, but I'm missing those occasional days of crisp sun at the NRG. Am getting stronger in the gyms here, though. It will pay off. it's supposed to be a high of 80 in the santa monicas this weke end. just yore weekly socak weather update. Sunny and 50s out here. Can you send us some of your snow? I'll send you some snow if you send us some mountains. After running around the Alps for the last couple of weeks I think I'd like to try skiing. Pretty psyched on skiing now myself right now too, though it's pretty pathetic that I grew up in Yewtaw, but didn't really downhill ski until moved East. that is pathetic. what's up with that! no snow anywhere out west. we've had rain for the past week. it's craptastic I feel your pain. I do. Although, the backcountry has been real good if one is willing to get up high enough... read that however you choose.
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granite_grrl
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lena_chita wrote: lena_chita wrote: granite_grrl wrote: lena_chita wrote: Not looking forward to campusing, because I don't have a training buddy for that part... Ed can't really campus, so he is focusing on bouldering for the power stage. And I am hoping to do a combination of bouldering and campusing for the next 3 weeks at least, switching to mostly bouldering and 4x4s for the PE phase. And I am hoping to have an extended PE phase... we'll see. What alternatives are there for a power phase if you don't have access to a campus board (I'm not sure if I'm even capable of campusing either)? I'm also realizing I need to get more explosive power from my legs for doing steinpull moves. Bouldering. It is harder to isolate muscles while bouldering, but the bottom line is that power = (force x distance) / time. So power moves are dynamic (traveling over large distance in short period of time) or applying maximal force. You don't want a boulder problem with 20 moves in it, you want a boulder problem with just a few moves, and every one of them maximal-effort. You actually want stuff that you would be failing on, instead of sending, and you would be measuring improvement in how much closer you got to a hold, and maybe never even send. Though I think it is better to pick something that you would eventually send, but in 40 goes over couple weeks, not in 3 goes over one session (nothing wrong with those, but they would be more for PE). I think a setup like Kris suggests would be great if you have a small woody, instead of the bouldering gym. http://www.powercompanyclimbing.com/...t-1-why-and-how.html The idea is that you have a bunch of holds, and they are positioned symmetrical, from the center. And you can fine-tune your moves on left and right , doing exactly the same type of move, to the same type of hold. And you can easily change things up-- so let's say you are going to a hold that is a jug 3 feet to the right and 2 feet up. Or 3 feet to the left and 2 feet up. And that's easy. Then you switch it to smaller hold. Or put the hold farther apart. or both. And you use different feet to do it... It would be sort of like making one-move boulder problem for yourself. oh, and I forgot. Manderson book does go over how you can do power training on hangboard, if you can't have campusing or bouldering. it is not optimal, but... That's good, because I don't really have the option for bouldering either in Owen Sound. I have the Manderson book....somewhere. I think it's back in St. Catharines. I bought it before xmas but I didn't do much more than skim through it on account that my ankle was bunk and I was just trying to maintain what fitness I had for IWC at the time.
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granite_grrl
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Another question - how strict are you guys on your training? During a training cycle do you still get out climbing much, or is it only during certain phases on stuff that compliments that phase?
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camhead
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granite_grrl wrote: Another question - how strict are you guys on your training? During a training cycle do you still get out climbing much, or is it only during certain phases on stuff that compliments that phase? Hangboreding is the only part of training that really interferes with climbing, just because it wrecks you so much and the recovery is so long. However, even with hangboarding, I'm still able to get out and climb easy face, or easy to moderate cracks. I'd also be interested to see how hangboarding relates to pegboarding. I've not done any mixed or ice that's even close to hard, but when I've gotten pumped on that kind of climbing, it's felt very different than the forearm pump and finger stress that I've gotten on a hangbored. It might be worth trying to do both at the same time, especially if your general core and lockoff are in good shape. As for climbing through the power and PE stages, that's always been fairly easy for me at the NRG, as long as the weather is cooperating, and I don't really distinguish between training and outside climbing. There is a boulder near my place with four quality, dynamic problems that are perfect for 4x4s. And for PE, I just take burns on steep routes.
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granite_grrl
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camhead wrote: granite_grrl wrote: Another question - how strict are you guys on your training? During a training cycle do you still get out climbing much, or is it only during certain phases on stuff that compliments that phase? Hangboreding is the only part of training that really interferes with climbing, just because it wrecks you so much and the recovery is so long. However, even with hangboarding, I'm still able to get out and climb easy face, or easy to moderate cracks. I'd also be interested to see how hangboarding relates to pegboarding. I've not done any mixed or ice that's even close to hard, but when I've gotten pumped on that kind of climbing, it's felt very different than the forearm pump and finger stress that I've gotten on a hangbored. It might be worth trying to do both at the same time, especially if your general core and lockoff are in good shape. As for climbing through the power and PE stages, that's always been fairly easy for me at the NRG, as long as the weather is cooperating, and I don't really distinguish between training and outside climbing. There is a boulder near my place with four quality, dynamic problems that are perfect for 4x4s. And for PE, I just take burns on steep routes. The pump from ice climbing is one thing, and can generally be managed without too much effort. When drytooling there is the general increased pump just from getting on something over hanging. Taken to the extreme is figure-4s/9s trying to move with your entire body weight on one hand. Generally mixed climbing is much more dynamic and with bigger pulls. This also increases the load on your hands. It's super easy to lose it with a big release. For many of the strong rock climbers who also drytool they can climb significant portions of some comps with their hands instead of the tools. If you can hold onto the hold (with golf gloves on) this can help a lot.
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granite_grrl
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Paul, what kind of tools have you been using when you go out ice climbing with the gf? You should do some drytooling sometime, much more physical (and interesting IMO) than just ice climbing.
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camhead wrote: granite_grrl wrote: Another question - how strict are you guys on your training? During a training cycle do you still get out climbing much, or is it only during certain phases on stuff that compliments that phase? Hangboreding is the only part of training that really interferes with climbing, just because it wrecks you so much and the recovery is so long. However, even with hangboarding, I'm still able to get out and climb easy face, or easy to moderate cracks. Yup. Hangboard is the only dedicated time for me, too. I climb a little bit during hangboard cycle, but mostly in the gym, doing easy stuff that is of a warm-up grade. Mandersons suggest that you do ARCing also in hangboard stage, the day after hangboard workout. But I haven't been able to do it consistently. It is pretty easy for me to take 3.5-4 weeks off in the dead of winter since the closest outside bouldering is ~8-9 hours drive away, and not feasible for anything other than a 3-day weekend. I've done bouldering comps or bouldering trips in the Power stage, it's awesome. And the end of power/start of PE stage generally coincides with beginning of outdoor roped climbing and doing some "bouldering on ropes", which eventually transitions into sending. (I hope)
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camhead
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Not sure if y'all heard about it, but a train in NY hit an SUV last week, half dozen people were killed or so. This happened right by the climbing gym we've been going to, and I guess that right after the accident they herded all the (uninjured) passengers into the gym to stay warm. This all happened in a town called Valhala; it's probably tusoon to make fatalistic Norse afterlife jokes, though.
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granite_grrl
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camhead wrote: granite_grrl wrote: Paul, what kind of tools have you been using when you go out ice climbing with the gf? You should do some drytooling sometime, much more physical (and interesting IMO) than just ice climbing. I've just been using her tools, Nomics. Borrowed a friend's Vipers, too, which I liked but not sure which I prefer. I do really like the Nepals for boots, though. Either should be good for pure ice, vipers maybe better on lower angle stuff and the Nomics on steep (though the Vipers probably perform okay). If you were actually ever going to buy your own tools I would get something more like the Nomics or Fusions so you could tool around on some steep rock too. Nepals are warm and stiff, but heavy.
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dr_feelgood
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Sunny and 60. I'm wearing shorts and chacos. Fuck you, February.
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macherry
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dr_feelgood wrote: Sunny and 60. I'm wearing shorts and chacos. Fuck you, February. i feel your pain.
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camhead
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dr_feelgood wrote: Sunny and 60. I'm wearing shorts and chacos. Fuck you, February. Fuck you doc. I don't remember the last time I was truly warm.
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