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reborne
May 21, 2003, 3:14 PM
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i am under the impression that a permit is 65k maybe you could take the 5k to vegas and work it into like 100k caus other than that ....
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jeffers_mz
Jun 3, 2003, 10:55 PM
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First move, spend $35 and buy a copy of The Book of Lies, if you haven't already.
Second move, get your gear together to trek to base camp, higher if you can do it for no additional cash outlay, buy your ticket, roundtrip, and your trekking permit and get yourself to base camp as cheap as you can. Then start talking. If you've got any business being there you've got 3 main chances. One, late in the season talk a legal expedition into selling you an unused permit slot for a grand or two. It usually costs more than that, but if there are extras, unused, then any money you pay them is found money, on the end side of their trip, when most of their own money has been spent. You might get lucky.
Two, get on as a load carrier. Tell them you'll work cheap, prepared to drop to free if they seem at all interested. Packing loads will get you acclimated. Once you're up high, watch for your chance. You might tag along with somebody, if they don't turn you in because they had to pay good money for their permit, and don't want to see you getting over. You might go up on your own after trail is broken and lines are fixed.
Three....blend in...think on this some...you won't pass as a Yak, but....
You'll probably ned some local friends or people who really know their way around over there to learn enough to pull this off. If you can keep your first trip under three grand, then you have a whole year to capitalize on the contacts you make, and recoup your original $5000, to make another shot.
I have a passing acquaintance with a few climbers who have had some success at what you are attempting, and I believe your chances of getting over there and back in a single season and snagging a summit on E are about zero. Other peaks get much less attention. Take a year, and meet some contacts, learn your way around, and your chances rise to a max of maybe one in four.
If it was easy, everyone would be doing it.
All that said, I think it's a fool's move. You're probably going to lose some flesh for a summit you can't tell anyone you made, on pain of being permanently barred from the country. Without support, a team, Sherpas, O's and good gear, you'll be lucky to just lose toes.
Just so you know exactly what my advice is worth, I've never been above 14,500', never sent anything harder than 5.8, never done glaciers or ice, but I have talked to people who make regular practice doing what you want to do, some you may even know of, and this is what I get from them.
Take it for whatever it's worth to you.
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pico23
Jun 4, 2003, 7:54 PM
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In reply to: I just finished reading "Seven Summits", the story about two guys climbing the highest seven peaks. I realized that I could not identify with the climbers, nor most mountaineers on Denali, Aconcagua, etc. because neither I nor any of you (probly) could ever do it. Who has the vast $$$ to put on one of these trips? So put on your thinking caps - How could I, an American, with say $5000 to spend get from America to the summit of Everest? To make it interesting I won't use oxygen and I'll depend on previous parties for fixed lines, ladders. Would I need an accomplice(s)? Mode of transportation(s)? What should I say to Officials? Which side of mountain to attempt? Please use your imagination - breaking any law (American, Chinese, Nepalese) is allowed, as well as stowing away, stealing etc. Flaming and sarcasm are always welcome, bit I prefer Quality Constructive Advice.
Well it is done quite often. I constantly read about people showing up a base camp with nothing more then their basic gear. I don't recall if they have permits but my guess is no. If you really want to make it affordable you can ride your bike to everest like goran kropp did!!! You can use other peoples gear such as tents, fixed lines, food caches, ect (again done often). All you really need is your own personal gear unless you want to steal gear from basecamp. I'd recommend against that. It's one thing to use fixed lines and abandoned tents and food caches but it is another to steal hard goods from someones tent at basecamp which is definitely a criminal offense. I doubt you want to spend time in a Nepalese prison. Anyway, if you are going to use oxygen and reduce the mountain by a few thousand feet then why not do something a few thousand feet lower. That said oxygen isn't even an issue in my mind.
So really, you just need the gear and base camp tent and a way to get to base camp. Assuming you've done any climbing at all you might have some of the gear so I'd say frugal shopping should get you the rest for maybe $2000 or less (8000m suit, insulated supergaiters, ect). From what I've read I would NOT try to by it in Katmandu where it is super exepnsive. So all you have to do is figure out a way to get to basecamp with the $3000 you have left (and have enough food to eat for the trip) and from the time you leave base camp someone else is footing the expense and effort of setting up advanced camps.
So you've knocked everest off, how do you plan on knocking off Antarctica without any support?
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lemurboy
Mar 16, 2006, 1:22 PM
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You can just wait a little while till the Yuppies decided to make a tram all the way to the top so everyone can go to the summit of everest!
Look at those silly climbers down there what are they thinking, being out in the snow and cold.
That would probably cost you about 5000
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slavetogravity
Mar 16, 2006, 3:21 PM
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So you intend to defraud the Nepalese government of 65,000 dollars, eh’. Good luck with that. Can you say "Third world prison time"? Hope you don’t mind fighting off the rats for your daily bowl of rice.
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adnix
Mar 21, 2006, 9:35 AM
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In reply to: because neither I nor any of you (probly) could ever do it. Who has the vast $$$ to put on one of these trips? |
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boardline22
Mar 21, 2006, 7:55 PM
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has anyone climbed everest here?
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porcelainsunset
Mar 21, 2006, 8:39 PM
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There is no need to be a stole away on any ship over to India, crew a series of fishing ships, cruse ships, and cargo ships, and get paid to travel. Once there, use the money you made to get up there. If this fails, there is always whoreing yourself to the night, spend the 5000 on a red dress and you'll have 60 g's in no time! :lol:
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tempestwind
Mar 22, 2006, 6:38 AM
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If you are serious I know of this guide service that will take you on under its wing as a helper for other clients...Send me a PM..
There are also guide services that charge much less with the same quality.
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kobaz
Mar 23, 2006, 10:05 AM
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In reply to: If you are serious I know of this guide service that will take you on under its wing as a helper for other clients...Send me a PM.. There are also guide services that charge much less with the same quality.
It might be just me, but I don't believe the OP was serious.
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hellbent
Mar 23, 2006, 12:12 PM
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So are you going or what?
Write me up as an accomplice...but try to take a bite and i'll jab your eye out with my axe. :lol:
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adnix
Mar 25, 2006, 11:36 AM
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In reply to: has anyone climbed everest here? |
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micahisaac
Mar 25, 2006, 3:57 PM
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this will work for sure: Start from Austria shouldn't be more than a grand to get there and back. Ride a train from Austria to the Himalaya and attempt a climb on behalf of your own country and das furor (did I mention you need to be there at the onset of WW2?) from there get arrested as a war combatant, escape from prison, trek around for a while until you befriend the dolly lama (did i spell that right?) If you go during the right time period the dolly lama will still live in Tibet. Spend several years there I say around 7. Then with the wealth and power of your new friend you climb Everest. Again going at the right time period you could have a first accent! Airfare might even be cheaper! Spend the rest of the money on a time machine or hire Superman to fly around the earth backwards for a while. You can't lose, and minus the superman part It would make for a great movie!
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boardline22
Mar 25, 2006, 6:28 PM
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In reply to: this will work for sure: Start from Austria shouldn't be more than a grand to get there and back. Ride a train from Austria to the Himalaya and attempt a climb on behalf of your own country and das furor (did I mention you need to be there at the onset of WW2?) from there get arrested as a war combatant, escape from prison, trek around for a while until you befriend the dolly lama (did i spell that right?) If you go during the right time period the dolly lama will still live in Tibet. Spend several years there I say around 7. Then with the wealth and power of your new friend you climb Everest. Again going at the right time period you could have a first accent! Airfare might even be cheaper! Spend the rest of the money on a time machine or hire Superman to fly around the earth backwards for a while. You can't lose, and minus the superman part It would make for a great movie!
I am reading Seven years in Tibet now. Oh it's Dalai Lama
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billhilly
Mar 25, 2006, 9:23 PM
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Why bother? Everest is a rich mans mountain growing taller with shit each and every summer. Get a trekking permit and you can climb anything up to 25,000 feet or so. If youve never been to the Himalayas you will find it is more than sufficient.
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tonloc
Mar 26, 2006, 8:06 AM
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three years later i say just jump to the top, chuck norris did it...
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leapinlizard
Mar 26, 2006, 6:51 PM
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Alright as for a shit pile, they have been working on cleaning it up every year. Granted there is still a lot of trash above Camp 2, but even these areas are being cleaned up as of late. The country of Nepal has instituted a fine if expeditions don't bring out a certain amount of trash with them when they leave. As for trekking to base camp and Kala Pathar, I think that all it will do is motivate you more, or at least that is what has done to me. I have trekked it twice. As for Everest being a rich man's mountain, it is probably true in some respects considering the permit alone is 70000 (includes 7 people). But most big mountains these days require a good amount of money. And any time you are on a large expedition such as Everest the costs are always up there. My two cents on the $5000 venture is to try and get in with the French chopper company that just landed a helicopter on the top last spring. I still find it amazing that they shattered the old record by 10000ft. (previous record 19000ft when rescuing beck wethers) THe other option is you could do it Goran Kropp style and ride your bicyle from western europe, caryy all your own stuff, cook your own meals and solo everest without oxygen, then ride your bike home. Of course if you do it legally you still have to pay the permit, or maybe you could convince another expedition to cover you with their permit. Good luck.
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rocketsocks
Mar 28, 2006, 3:10 AM
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The only way I can think of would be for you to become expert at alpine mountaineering and then become a guide, letting your clients pay your way (and theirs).
P.S. I just saw this Everest gear-list on Alpine Ascents' site (linked from the NatGeo blurb).
Ya know, except for the ascenders, double plastic boots, down clothing, ski goggles, and, of course, -40 / -20 deg. sleeping bags, I have all that stuff. I think that's kinda cool.
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up_for_a_good_time
Mar 28, 2006, 3:35 AM
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Send $5,000 worth of chocolate and roses to Ed Viesturs and beg to ride his heels to the top next time he rolls over that way. Be sure to ask for some help with the plane ride. And maybe bum some food. Oh, and maybe ask if he has some boots he doesn't like anymore.
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kane_schutzman
Apr 10, 2006, 5:39 AM
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Drink Some Redbull :D
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