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I like finding info on the web. It's kinda cool.

But a Doctor should have his own book. A single place to find the Answers.

How about a nice, SuperTopo-type thing that we can buy online?

I'm tired of pointing my click again and again and again, chasing leads that sometimes lead to nowhere.

One place to find it.

K?



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I agree also.
I enjoy reading about the"BETTER WAY"and the endless rants of DR Piton. I find them quite informative and entertaining.
I think you should call the book

"THE BETTER WAY "

Later.

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The book is already out.

Chongo wrote it and PTPP edited it.

MMmmmm. Good idea, but it would take a year to scan all of those pages in. The book is thicker than the Bible.

I like to call it: The Big Wall Bible.

Pete, you should look into this. I will send word to Chongo to get in contact with me.

Cheers, Ammon


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If not a book written of the "BETTER WAY" then why not a compilation of Dr. Piton's famous Rants? This would be quite an enjoyable read as well!

Until that time, we just have to keep reading the 'Rockclimbing.com Archives' forum to read those classic, gut wrenching, tear jerking, and just plain FUNNY rants.


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The Chongo book is either a myth, an apparition, or a phantom. Everybody talks about it, but nobody's ever seen it.

Actually, nobody's ever been able to buy it.

And I think Jim Bakker was able to scan the entire bible onto his website when he wasn't picking up soap in prison.


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I will be in the Valley this weekend, I know Chongo and I will be looking for him. I am going to inquire about his book for someone else. When I get back I will post, in regards to my talk with him. Hopefully we can make Chongo some $$$ and get you guys the goods!
I want to buy the book my self. My partner has the chapter on hauling, amazing stuff, you all have been at RC.com long enough to read the statement always a better way, well Chongo wrote it, ask PTPP, he helped (I dont know PTPP).
Chongo's book is about $90.
Hopefully he will be in his spot at the cafeteria and will be easy to find.


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ive seen it. its real, make some better connections, and you might see it too!


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Nice one!!! Radistar and Wallhammer.

Yes, Chongo's book exists. He also sells chapters seperately but I wont qoute any prices.

I'm looking at one the early editions now!!

Ammon


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It's real, huh? Well, I've seen Elvis and am looking at Howard Hughes right now 8-)

Hey, it was a joke. I know the Chongo book is real. I saw the photo of Humar Tomaz getting PTPP's copy from the hand of Chongo himself.

I just think it's kinda funny that an item that is in such demand is unavailable.

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doh, you get the gold medal for the first one to "get me". i am now writing gumby on my forhead with a majic marker.


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No way dude, it should be called "Dr. Piton's book on Getting it"


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I think that a few of our RC.com members may be able to procure some copies of Chongo's book. The best thing would be for Chongo to get a website to sell online. I did obtain a copy and have it in my room. 612 pages of the best aid climbing info available (besides having Ammon guide you) along with some hot pictures of some of the "Girls of Wall Climbing". That's why the manual costs so much. Model's fees, agency fees, and the cost of doing a centerfold layout really jacks up the price. So just be patient people as I'm sure we will have better access to this as time passes.

And Dr. Piton does have a book in the works. It's not called Getting It but Getting Some on the Wall. I'm sure he could mail a few copies to some of you guys.

TRADitionally yours,

Cali Dirtbag

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In my dreams, Paul, in my dreams....

At any rate, the book does indeed exist:

It is The Complete Book of Big Wall Climbing - Volume 1 - The Ground Manual by Chongo

Other [wankers] have called into question the existence of said book.

The proof of its existence (I simply cannot believe I actually had to DO this, fer cryin' out loud!) begins HERE.

If anyone can get ahold of Chongo, then please ask Chongo to give me a call!

There has been SO much interest in his book, I could sell a whole bunch for him.

Cheers,

Pete

Editor of Chuck's Book


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Disapointing!
I looked for Chongo, and could not find him.
I will be back in a few weeks and will look some more.
Last month he was a fixture in the "Caff".
I thought he may have been at the base of El Cap but I did not find him there either.
I'll keep looking.
I want his book for my self, so I have interest in looking. I had cash for him over the weekend. Dont worry, we'll find Chongo, before the season is over.
I was amazed that I did not find him, as I see him often.
Maybe next week. The wife wont let me return this week, after 3 days in the Valley.

The good news for the weekend is a bootied #4 Camalot off of Moby Dick!

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I have a copy of the book right here. Pete's copy, actually (thanks, Pete!) Looks like it's gonna take me about 6 months to read the whole thing, not counting time spent staring at the diagrams. It's BIG.


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dont forget the all of the typing errors.


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*cough* Ladies and Gentlemen... *silence ensues*

Pete,

I checked out the picture you have of Chongo's book's registration page (the photo you've linked to).

The Library of Congress Copyright Registration number listed in that picture, is WRONG.

According to the Library of Congress's Copyright Catalog search (http://www.loc.gov/copyright/search/cohm.html) ,
the Copyright Registration number TX 4-583-687 - listed in the picture - does NOT belong to Chongo, nor does it list his book as the material registered under that number.

Please dream up a valid explanation for this, I'm curious, now.

- d.

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Don't bother, Pete -- I've got it. Looks like Chongo made another typo. The correct number is TX-4-583-676 and you can see the full registration here if means that much to you, Sauron:
http://www.loc.gov/cgi-bin/formprocessor/copyright/locis.pl


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I stand corrected.


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Chongo is brilliant, but I dont think he can spell.
His book exists and its the Best book for big wall techniques.


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I gave Chongo all the spelling errors [that I could find!] to fix about a year and a half ago. I do not know whether he actually entered them and fixed them yet! I fricking hope so - I hate spelling errors! You will see from my posts here that I seldom make spelling or grammatical errors - it's sort of a "point of pride" with me.

As for his registration number, I have no clue! The draft copy that I have may contain an old number which has likely been superseded by a new one. I don't know if a person receives a new number every time he registers a new edition of the same book. I've never registered anything myself. Maybe when you register a new copyright the old one is deleted?

I've certainly seen Chongo box up a copy of his book and mail it away for registration, but I have no clue as to the procedure he follows.

The fact, Dominic, that you would write,

Quote:(No, this doesn't mean the book doesn't exist - but it does mean that you've (deliberately) lied in regards to the official-ness of it. (i.e. no true copyright registration, etc.) - d.

and actually put into words that I would deliberately LIE about such a thing speaks volumes about your character.

And before you go off all over the website, Adam, about my inappropriate language in this post, I will tell you that I'm happy to delete the epithets above when Sauron above apologizes for his libelous statement.

And "I stand corrected" does not CUT IT when you publicly accuse someone of LYING.

Cheers,

Pete


As for you, my dear Yvette, there will be a test on Chongo's book. It commences four hundred feet off the deck, and you receive your diploma on the summit about fifteen hundred feet higher.

Study hard, little Climbchick.

And thanks, eh?

This post was edited by Pete to remove epithet after public apology was issued.




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Pete,

I was hoping you could come up with something more orignal than "asshole" - it's gotten old, considering the first time I was called that online was at least 10-12 years ago..

Oh well,

- d.


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Uh Pete, you kinda Jumped the Gun there. Don't you think?

Honestly Dom just pointed out the number was wrong...it's not like he hounded you day and night about it. You guys corrcted the number and he accepted your answer graciously. It's not his fault Chongo screwed up.

I guess you just don't "Get It"....




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Yes, Krillen, I do get it.

When I am accused of deliberately lying, I write it as I see it.

Krillen, I believe there to be a substantial difference between an innocent mistake, which is what Chongo made in his apparent typographical error, and Sauron's libelous accusation that I am attempting to mislead the public.

I have asked Sauron publicly to apologize, and I have asked him to do so in a private message.

My Olive Branch offer above remains valid, despite his apparent initial refusal.

I don't want this forum to start looking like the Middle East, but when my character is personally attacked, I feel it's OK to defend myself.

And I would not call that "jumping the gun."

Far from it.


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I'm curious as to why this book is still looks like a typed manuscript and hasn't been picked up by a publisher like Falcon Publishing (new owners Chockstone Press) or something?

No slaggin here, but if this book is as good as everyone says it is, and Iknow that Chongo has a decently respected following, then why not pursue that avenue? Seems like the book would sell, and everyone likes money


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I get the impression that its not all that important to him if it was we would all have a copy. Maybe I'm wrong, I've never asked. But as you say he probably make some $$$.

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WOW, so much friction!!! Makes me want to go climb a hard slab climb.

Radistrad, Chongo is in Bakersfield right now, I'm sure he'll be in the Valley soon. I will tell him you are looking for him. If you want you can PM me your info and I'll send it his way.

I think Chongo went through great lengths to avoid a publisher so he could cut out the "middle man." It also makes his book kind of like a collector's item, because not everyone and their dog can get one.

The important thing here is that everyone knows it exists. If you want a copy write to him and check out his profile.

Starting off with a joke about his book not being real turned people against one another and at each others throat's.

I don't get it.

Peace, Ammon


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Pete, I apologise for having called you a liar, but I still think you're a jerk.



- d.


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Pete you asked him to publically appologize and called him an asshole in the same breath.
I would that jumping the gun....


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It seems a shame to argue over the existence of the book. What would be great is if it was possible to buy it. I'd definately like to get a copy and I'm sure hundreds of other people would. I've found your articles on "the better way" really useful on here Pete but it would be good to have a "definitive" aid climbing book to refer to also. Would Chongo be persuaded to let the Mountain shop in Yosemite sell it or find an online retailer to do so? Does he know there is so much demand for his book? I know non aid climbers who would be interested in getting a copy. There must be a huge demand for it.
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Iain.


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Iain. Yes, there are a few retail shops that cary Chongos book. Nomad Adventure in Joshua Tree used to, they still might.

I'm not sure if the Mountain Shop in the Valley does anymore either. I will call Chongo and get a list of where you can purchase it, at retail shops.

Ammon


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Last I looked at the Mtn Shop, they had one unbound copy of his book. Dont know what is there now. elcapbuz, please let us know who retails his book, this info seems to be more valuable than his book.


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I repeat my plea - someone get Chongo to phone me so I can take some fricking orders for him!


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It would be good if you are happy to take orders Pete. I spoke to the Mountain shop in Yosemite and they do not stock the book currently. I'm in the Uk so it would be difficult to get a copy from Nomad Adventure in Joshua Tree. Is there a commercial section on this site where the book could be sold?


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I've just searched the internet for a website address/email address for Nomad Adventures/Ventures in Joshua Tree in an attempt to get chongo's book. Lots of references but no website. Does anyone know if they have got one please? I'm beginning to wonder if this book is just a myth.
Regards,
Iain.


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Ian, did you call the MTn shop?
Pete, I too have been trying to get our RC.commers the book, you know Chongo better than I do so hopefully you'll have more luck.
I'll be in the Valley hopefully by next week, I will check the Mtn Shop and glance for Chongo.
Chongo's book on big walls seems to be the 8th wonder of the world, we all know it real, but only a select few have seen it.


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i know bruce (the owner of all the nomad venture stores)well, i will call him today to find out what they have, if they have anything i will make sure they hold it for you.


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You can usually find Chongo in the Yosemite Lodge cafeteria in the mornings. Just ask who he is if you don't know what he looks like. Actually, I've got a photo posted on my page you can check.

Ask him to give me a call. There has been so much interest generated, I'm sure we can get some sales going.

I've had a few serious offers of help to either market the book through the internet, or sell it on line (like Chris Mac does for his Yosemite Ultra Classics) and I want to talk to Chuck about it.

In truth, Chongo's passion sort of strayed from the big wall book over the last couple years as he focused on his physics book instead.

While I am a great fan of Chongo's climbing book, I'm afraid I don't really "get" his physics book!

Thanks, y'all.


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Elcapbuzz saysa Chongo is in Bakersfield right now.
I looked on the 6th and 7th for him, I checked his corrner table in the "caff" and he was not there, I walked El Cap base to look and he was not there.
Hopefuly Elcapbuz will make the connection for us before he returns to the valley.
I will continue to look for him, but I dont expect to find him anytime soon (as he is not there)
eventually we will get his book....


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If you want to buy a book, leave a post here.

I'll check this post from Yosemite, and get Chongo to contact you.

Cheers,

Pete

Editor of The Complete Book of Big Wall Climbing by Chongo


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Hi,

Please add me to the list of people interested in buying the book.

I can be contacted at
plan_b@users.belclimb.net

Thanks !


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Yeah, add me too...I'm interested. You can reach me at stugelsc@luther.edu

Climb Hard-
-Scott


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I want a book.
I'll be looking for Chongo myself, but I think Pete will find him first.
Chongo is in the Valley, I saw him drive by two weeks ago, but I did not have time to find him.


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I, too, would like Chongo's book.

I can be reached at swbsarita@aol.com

Thanks.


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I'm interested in one.


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Sign me up for one as well.

rr666@yahoo.com



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Chongo is in the valley! When I see him or PTPP Sat pm, I will remind him about the "bible". I am sitting here looking at PTPP's copy, it may be more info than you think. As of last fall Chongo wanted $75.00 for the thing.


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Im am also interested

Clmbnski@hotmail.com

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I would like to get on of them please put me on the list!
barnas@jimjamesband.com
Thanks


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I just bought Chongo's book last week. I'll contact him tomorrow and see about getting more books. Maybe I got ripped but Chongo said the price was $100. Chongo is not rollin in the money so I was happy to help him out. He's a good guy.


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doesn't chongo realize that a few days in the Kinkos could net him a summers worth of cash? At least a few grand, for sure!!! I mean, Christ, hasn't anyone ever heard of coillating copiers? Plop the bible on, go get a cup of joe, bam, 10 bibles are copied, netting 1000 bucks!

I talked to pete a few years ago about getting this book, never did, and I still have the cash and want it.

What part of this equation does chongo not get? Surely the guy wants/needs a little cash?



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money does not make everyone happy...
I've hung with chongo a bit and he does not seem like money is what life is about for him, albeit I'm sure he can use some more..


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I wasn't implying that money is everything, just that it can't hurt to make a little for his effort in writting such a saught after book.

I mean I counted close to ten folks on this phorum that are ready and waiting to expand their knowledge.

Knowledge is true wealth.

I just want to speed up my solo techniques, and I have tried everything I know.


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OK, here's the scoop on Chongo's book.

I had the opportunity to speak with Chongo in the lodge caf a couple nights ago.

It was almost impossible to get him to talk about anything except his physics book! There is no doot aboot it - Chongo's passion lies in his physics and not in his climbing book.

I asked him about a collaborative effort, whereby I would slash and burn the thing from its 600 pages to about 250 or 300. This I could easily do by removing the unnecessary repetition, and I could add a few of my own Dr. Piton tips and anecdotes. (See, I actually DO climb, unlike Chongo recently, so I actually HAVE personal climbing anecdotes to share!) I thought a streamlined and updated version would be a lot more saleable. I told Chuck I had no interest in rewriting the thing because that would be too much work, but he would have no part of it. He wants to maintain complete control, and doesn't care to relinquish it to anyone.

Fair enough. I "get it".

I can't help but feel he is squandering a rather precious resource - me - someone who could help reduce the size of the tome and make it more marketable.

Plus I work cheaply!

But Chongo has no interest in marketing it in a large operation. He seems to relish its underground publishing, and seems to like to maintain some sort of aura of mystery around it.

He has taken recently to selling key chapters for $20. This is for the very simple reason that this is more profitable for him. He simply cannot be bothered selling the whole book for anything less than $100. Poor Nathan (Natec) told me he had to practically beg Chongo to sell him the damn book!

See, it comes down to two things as I see it - Chongo has lost the passion for the wall climbing book because his physics books are selling so well, or at least he tells me they are, and he's just too damn lazy to bother trying to sell the wall books.

Your best bet would be to hunt him down in the Yosemite Lodge cafeteria and see if you can convince him to actually sell you a book!

Now, here is your Dr. Piton Big Wall Tip of the Day:

Chongo told me he has recently registered a domain name.

Chongo Nation

If you click on it, you will see that the site is under construction. One cannot help but wonder how long this will remain in effect! When will Chongo actually find someone to get round and make it WORK?

Don't hold your breath, people.

At Chongo's pace, it may never happen. Remember, it took him a year and a half to climb half of the Sea of Dreams on El Cap!

Which is even slower than ME for cryin' out loud!

My suggestion is this - keep after him in person. He has no email address, and does not know anything about the internet.

Please tell him of the efforts I've been putting forth to promote his book.

Honestly, I felt kind of "jilted" the other night! I made what I felt to be a substantive effort to help him, and was basically dismissed, which kind of hurt my feelings a bit.

I don't think Chuck has any clue of the interest I and you-all have generated over his book, and he doesn't seem to be aware of how many people would really like to buy the damn thing!

Sheesh.

What the hell do we have to do? Hit him over the head with our money?

I don't know a workable solution to this problem.

Maybe I should write my own damn book.

Yours in frustration,

"Pass the Pitons" Pete Zabrok

Editor,

The Complete Book of Big Wall Climbing
by Chongo


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A few options.

1.Pirate the book and just give him cash.

(very uncool)


2. Write your own damn book, and climb for free for the next 20 years like Ronnie Zero, with the profits.

Knowledge isn't always free, but once it's in your head, it's "public domain". there are alot of us out here that want the knowledge, and have the cash.


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Quote:
Registrant:
Tucker, Charles (UGRZWPJKZD)
PO BOX 1948
Yosemite, CA 95389
US

Domain Name: CHONGONATION.COM

Administrative Contact:
Tucker, Charles (GEVDSSTTWI) chongonation@hotmail.com

PO BOX 1948
Yosemite, CA 95389
US
none none


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Hey Pete,
Just write a book of your own,we all want one and Chongo doesn't seem to want to give it up.You wouldn't be pirating if it was your own book.Tell him people are clamoring for the book,and if he won't deliver,you will.If he doesn't like the idea,you may want to rethink(respect thing)or if he likes the idea,I would like the first autographed copy.
Climb Happy
Mitch


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It seems that no one wants to write a new "How to" Big Wall book right now. I've been trying to convince Chris Mac to work on one. While he thinks it's a good idea he doesn't have the bandwith to take on a new project right now. I suspect the truth is that the no one can imagine how the profits could equal the amount of work involved. Too bad. The Long book is good but outdated. Then again, who needs one if Pete is giving away all the goods for free.


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Anybody else see the humor in Pete making anything more concise

I'd like a copy, though I'm not holding my breath.


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Yeah...I think a Pete/Chongo collaboration would need to be sold as a 10 volume set.


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I had absolutely no interest in aid climbing until I started hanging out on this site. You guys should be ashamed of yourselves .

On that note... sign me up for a copy of the book.



Is not life a hundred times too short for us to bore ourselves?
--FN


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I spoke to Chongo in person last week.

You can order his book by sending a $100 U.S. postal money order to him at:

Chongo
Yosemite Valley, California
USA 95389

Chongo is 100% trustworthy, and you will get your book.

If and when it ever gets up and running, his website will be:

http://www.chongonation.com/

and his email address will be:

chongo@chongonation.com

Don't hold your breath on the website. I'd just mail him the cash if I were you.

I'm the editor, and can tell you it is well worth the money. It's a bit wordier than I would have liked, but he wouldn't let me trim it.

Chongo taught me most everything I know!

Chongo is Dr. Piton's Wall Doctor.



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As the proud owner of the Chongo Bible of Big Wall climbing, I will also tell you all that it is definitely worth the money. Hey, you all pay $100 for textbooks and trust me this thing is way more informative. The book is 600 pages and is the best thing you can get for wall information (aside from inviting PTPP's stinky ass into your home).

I am going to try and get with Chongo this week to see if we can work something out in order to get his book to the users of this site.

For now, I would go the P.O. Box deal. He is trustworthy, although slow.


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I borrowed a copy from a friend, and I have to say, it is impressive. I will comment however, it is VERY POORLY WRITTEN! I have to read ton of technical material for my work and the last thing I need is poorly written technical material. There are repetitive sentices everywhere. The drawings are good for the most part. I really can not see spending a $100 on it. It is just to painful to read in my opinion. You can still get a ton of useful information out of it though. I don't write all that well myself, but then again, I'm not the one writting a book.

It is too bad Chongo won't give Pete the go ahead to do a severe edit and release a second edition, this would be worth the $100!

Just my .02 worth.

Robert


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Your comments about the repetition are valid, but it is not that bad a read.

Chongo likes to "repeat things for emphasis" and he would not let me edit them out. I didn't get much editorial license, unfortunately.

That being said, you are one of the very very few people who have suggested it may not be worth the money.

Everyone else, including me, has found that the hundred dollar investment has saved thousands of dollars' worth of agony, stupidity, big wall theory, and unnecessary work.

But yeah, there are too many words.


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If one thing in that book helped you climb safer,100$ is a small price!!!!!

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anybody else had luck with this? i think i'll probably go ahead and give it a whirl...


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I'm gonna bite. I'll let you know if/how it turns out for me.

Pete: I can't imagine anybody doing a better job on the writing than you. You're humorus, intellegent, erudite and witty. You might consider your own book based on your writings here.

BTW: I didn't see where Sauron earlier called you a liar like you said. He meerly said that the reg. number was wrong for that book and asked if there was a reason for it.

Kinda touchy eh?

PS I think erudite is a good thing. If you look it up and it really means "asshole", it was in no way meant to be a backhand slap at PTPP!!! I still think you're a good guy, but touchy!

If you take offense at anything I just said in this post let me just make a pre-emptive apology right now. No need to PM me. Sorry Pete. There.

Warm regards:

Bill


Dohhhh: I am posting this part of this message about a week after I put it up here. I realize that one can edit a message so if I say a bad word like ..... or ..... you can edit it out later and no one will know that you said ... or ... .

Funny no?? So never mind Pete, guess Sauron decided that you were not a liar and instead of apologising just edited it out.

Dohhh.

Oh BTW; Chongos money order is in the mail as of today 7-21-2002.

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8-5-2002 UPDATE: Chongo comes through!!! Book (OK, it's pages with holes in it) showed up today. This book looks to have been a lot of work for some folks. Nice Pete, real nice. I haven't had a lot of time to study it, but a cursurary perusal shows it to be well worth the $100 to me, but I just lost $8,000 on the sale of a depreciating Prowler so hey, I ain't hurting. If I get 1 or 2 good things out of this book (looks like it will be substantially more than that) I would consider that worthwile to me.

BTW, Petes writings on RC.com detail some of the more important stuff covered in the book, but I'm very happy to have it so detailed and easilly available in 1 location.

There is is:

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erdeneruc wrote [in another thread, moved here to minimize clusterf*ckage]:

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This is my first post here after lurking for so long! The quality of contributions to this forum is very high, and it is nice to learn something for a change from a forum.

I would like to obtain a copy of Chongo's "The Complete Book of Big Wall Climbing" yet the references I see tell me that I should find him in the Valley...

How do I get a hold of Chongo? Any chance that he reads this post, or someone who does lets him know of our interest in the book out here?

In any case, I will be in the Valley in the second half of September and could try to find him somehow...

Erden

First of all, apologizes for moving your post. All in the name of minimizing the wank factor, dude.

I hope you'll forgive me!

At any rate, I will be in Yosemite on August 28 or so, and I will bug the heck out of Chongo to read this thread, and get himself online and www-literate.

As you can see from the post above, Chongo is dependable and you can mail order the book from him as per my instructions.

In the Valley, look for him in the Yosemite Lodge cafeteria in the morning, or leave a note on the Camp 4 kiosk bulletin board.


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No problem, Pete. I am trying to navigate my way around the variety of topics on this board myself... I will follow the instructions here.

Thank you for your diligence.

Erden.


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I was drinking beer with Chongo last week. He had several copies left for sale and was definately trying to pedal these but after these last few, he really does not plan to sell any more.

He was talking about some other dude who had either pirated the book or was trying to do his bidding.

Chongo has a remarkable, albeit out-there, sort of mind for wall mechanics but, by his own admission, has only climbed a handful of walls.

Good luck in your quest!
I would have bought one if I had had the money.

P.S. Chongo's tip of the day: use a Tibloc instead of a clove hitch on your 2:1 haul

John

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Brings up an interesting point..

What is the US (international?) law with regard to the copyright of books no longer in print. Truely it is illegal to plagerize such material but is it illegal to copy it when that is the only means of distribution?
I'd hate for this "big wall bible" to be a limited stock item!

I can imagine a pptp edited version doing good business with people on this site, nevermind shops (I'm sure the MEC would carry it).


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Quote:What is the US (international?) law with regard to the copyright of books no longer in print. Truely it is illegal to plagerize such material but is it illegal to copy it when that is the only means of distribution?
I'd hate for this "big wall bible" to be a limited stock item!

Perhaps we should pose this question to our good friend oozingpustule. He's a lawyer, after all...


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I'm just curious if Chongo would allow RC.com to buy several of these books and offer them for sale here.

If someone wants to contact Chongo and ask him, then I will arrange payment/delivery/etc for the book. But we will need to arrange a discounted price so it will be worth the effort to provide the service. If you are going to meet with him, then send me a PM or email.


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Well.. The web helps those who help themselves

A quick search got me to this site:
www.fetc.org/fetcon/1199/copyright.html

The short version is that copies of the book cannot be legaly made unless a) the author has been dead for 70 years and over or b) the author gives permission. Clearly "b" is the prefered solution.

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Trevor: that's an awesome idea. Perhaps PTPP should explore it. There should be some way RC.Com can distribute the book (perhaps a fee area on the site containing the info) and kick Chongo a commission per book/dollar sold.

BTW: to those interested in copyright law. I am not a lawyer, but the law is VERY clear. If you copy even 1 page and give or sell it to a friend: YOU ARE BREAKING THE LAW if you do not have Chongos permission. That is not to say you can't write your own book with the same material. There is plenty of climbing books out there covering the same material in different ways. You just can't copy Chongos work for free without permission. That's stealing, and it does violate the law.

Regards:

Bill


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Do you think I would have any luck sending Chongo a money order at this point in time? I mean is he in the Valley during winter, and is he still willing to sell copies of his book? Thanks for the help.


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If Chongo is still in the Valley then YES! you will have luck.

He does winter at J-Tree frequently, and you can usually reach him through the folks at Nomad Ventures I think it is.

Has anyone seen Chuck in the Valley recently?


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I looked for the book on the Library of congress site and could not find it listed at all.I searched the number,tx 4-583-687 and I searched under charles v tucker and tucker,charles v.and the new number too.How is it that Chongo is www illiterate but he has a website? What about his profile on this website?I'm going to Cali to confirm that Chongo and this book about big walls in fact does not exist.I don't think PTPP really exists ,I think all those pictures of PTPP are really doctored pictures of Lynn Hill!Of course,Lynn Hill doesn't solo does she? Better get MOULDER AND SCULLY.

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Quote:If you copy even 1 page and give or sell it to a friend: YOU ARE BREAKING THE LAW if you do not have Chongos permission.

So we can only give or sell it to people we either dislike, or don't know?


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saw Chongo in the Valley on Sat. Nov. 16th
Jason


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I was hoping to get a copy of the book. Still available? Any chance of sending my money and having it received by chongo before next season?

I will be in j-tree for a couple of days after x-mas, anyone know if he will be there around then?

I have been really impressed with pptp's info (usually it is 'The Better Way' ), and I am definitly looking forward to the big wall bible.



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Well, I'll be buggered!

Someone got Chongo's website up and running!

You can click here to order Chongo's Complete Book of Big Wall Climbing.

You will see that the instructions are identical to those I already gave you - but this website seems to suggest Chuck will be checking his mailbox over the winter.

Cheers,

Pete

Editor of Chongo's book


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It was recently suggested that I do not give Chongo the due credit he deserves. Nothing could be further from the truth. I owe most everything I know to my Wall Doctor, and I have been promoting his book virtually non-stop since I got here. Five thousand hits on this post is your first [HINT].

Chongo's passion for his Complete Book of Big Wall Climbing had waned in recent years as his interests lay in the direction of his physics book. The unfortunate loss of his great friend and partner Jose Pereyra [also a friend of mine] may allow him to refocus on the book. As you can see by the number of hits and email addresses on this post, there is plenty of interest!

You can find Chongo and order his book from Chongo Nation.com.


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Hey, the Chongo nation site seems to be invalid this year, anybody know the status of obtaining Chongo's big wall book?

Chad


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Hey, the Chongo nation site seems to be invalid this year, anybody know the status of obtaining Chongo's big wall book?

Chad

A cached version of the site says this:

***To purchase, send POSTAL money order
(postal money order only) to:
Chongo, BOX 1948, Yosmite, CA 95389

I'd send him a letter just asking if the box is still good... then go from there. Send him a stamped envelope to reply yes with. The last price was $100.


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Bump.

Anyone know if you can still buy Chongo's book ?

If so will he send it overseas (Australia), if so how much ?

Cheers


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Aaah.. raising the dead (thread) just in time for halloween?!?


Seriously, you'll probably have better luck getting in touch with Pete Zabrok (Dr. Piton I believe or something similar) on Supertopo.com. If the book is still available, he would probably know about it.

Good luck!
-Jason


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Still available...check this link out:

http://chongonation.com/BWBook.htm

I understand that while he is in Europe getting his hair done, you can order it through the website....I believe the site will direct you to his local "publisher"....

enjoy...


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...I believe the site will direct you to his local "publisher"....

Kinko's?


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Sweet freakin mercy...we need a "zombie" smiley to accompany resurrected threads like this one.

http://www.moviesonline.ca/...lies/zombie_moan.gif

There we go...

Chongo is living in Sacramento, CA at the moment. You could probably contact Ammon, who would get you his contact info or at least let him know you're interested in ordering a book.

Ammon's contact info:

http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/view_profile.html?id=274416&topic_id=273917

Ed


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Spread the word.
Chongo's book can be purchased by contacting
Debbie at Dragon Publishing
626-798-0127

it's well worth the 100.


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Have any of you SEEN Chongo's book?

There may be one and a half chapters worth reading, the rest is common knowledge basics.
It isn't worth whatever your paying.
If it weren't for peet-spray the thing wouldn't have seen the light of day. Save your money.

Now that I've broken my silence, this forum is dying a slow and painful death.


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Of course I have Chongo's book.
If you already knew all the info based on your common knowledge then you should be congratulated however I completely disagree with you.
It's worth the money ($100) Heck the darn thing is so huge it has to run at least half that to print.
Chongo's wall book is not the glossy, concise mag with pics that most might desire. It's filled with crazy details that have been found to work great over the years. Sure there is much more detail than most people need....I'd rather have that then a smaller chopped down version.
Personally i find that 100 is nothing when compared to the cost of gear, travel and wall equipment that are already on the line for this fun each year. Just the little tips have saved me that much in frustration alone.

Chuck is a great person. He's super nice and willing to talk the ear off anyone. He doesn't qualify people before giving advice or helping with wall topics. It's too bad that many just want to tear him down but that just seems to be the nature of the net.


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