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hangingman
Oct 31, 2004, 1:22 AM
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has anyone tried or know someone that has used the Salomon Pro Ice boots? any verdicts?
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punk
Oct 31, 2004, 3:20 PM
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To ask which one is better, it is like asking “which food I [you] like better?”. you and only you can tell. Having said that, the common tendency for the lower 48 states and southern Canada climbers is, to prefer leather boots for their flexibility and their adequate insulation for temperatures down to -10F. in eddition, if most of your climbing (and I assume so …since that question is something I will expect from a novice) is on the lower scale of difficulty, I will say go with plastic as they seems to be warmer, more waterproof, and sturdier then leather. Later, as you deciding that you like this sport you might consider getting leather boots. as time goes on you will become technically better and that is when the ankle flex that leather boots are known for, will come to play. But don’t frown now the plastic boots you got earlier are still important and needed, as they will serve a different purpose and an incentive to drool over big mountains ranges like found in Alaska
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paulraphael
Nov 1, 2004, 7:33 PM
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The question of "Plastic vs. Leather" is actually a few years obsolete now. So many boots are hybrids that the question is unhelpful.
A better question is "Single vs. Double."
There are a lot of single boots out now (by vasque, sportiva, and others) that are all synthetic, and are built the way we normally think of leather boots being built, but without the main disadvantages.
Here are some observations:
-the warmest boots are double boots, although there are many single boots that are warmer than many double boots.
-single boots offer better climbing performance, period.
-double boots are friendlier on long trips (more than a few days) because you can dry the liners in your sleeping bag at night.
-breathability is a non-issue with any of these designs and any of these materials. None of them breath.
-moisture management is therefore important with all of them; but is more difficult with single boots. it is easiest with double boots that have foam liners, but with these, keeping your feet dry from their own sweat is the challenge.
-walking, climbing, and staying warm all place completely different demands on a boot. boots that do one of these brilliantly will probably do the others poorly.
-none of this will matter if the boot doesn't fit.
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sandstone
Nov 1, 2004, 8:02 PM
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In reply to: -moisture management is therefore important with all of them; but is more difficult with single boots. it is easiest with double boots that have foam liners, but with these, keeping your feet dry from their own sweat is the challenge.
I've had very good luck using VBL liners with my single leather boots. My thick socks and my boots stay dry, and my feet stay warmer.
I don't use a VBL all the time. For one day climbs I usually don't, unless the temps are low enough I feel I need a little extra warmth. For multi day trips I usually always wear the VBL to keep sweat from accumulating in the boots, and freezing at night.
I use a thin synthetic liner, then VBL, then a thick wool sock. At night, sleep in the thick wool sock only (it's dry and pre-warmed), so your feet can dry out completely. Turn the VBL's inside out, and stick them and the soaking wet liners in your sleeping bag so they can dry during the night. In the morning, everything is dry and warm and ready to go.
BTW, excellent summary of the issues.
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scallywag
Nov 1, 2004, 8:40 PM
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What do people think about the Kayland Super Ice's??
Im planning on getting a pair - will be climbing around canmore/banff/lake louise.
Its always nice to hear others opinions.
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mountainmadnesss
Nov 4, 2004, 4:48 AM
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In reply to: I have tried on the Vasque Super Alpinista, and for my foot the fit is perfect. The only downside is that it is not a double boot. But rumor has it (I couldn't verify) that the Vasque Ice 9000 is a double boot made with that funky new thermoplastic urethane, Kevlar nylon mesh, Mylar film and Aveo Foam material that touts the best of both worlds. Any comments?
Rock and Ice had very very high reviews for that boot..I cannot find the gear review links but they do have it on there web site.
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mountainmadnesss
Nov 4, 2004, 4:53 AM
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There not completely leather only a small portion of the ankle part(to allow for flexability) that has a waterproof lining. Not that it would get wet due to gaiter etcc.... I emailed a Marine who was selling his on e-bay..He said that is the boot the Marines are considering for extreme cold weather..He said he was in Minnesota in the middle of winter -50F and he was toasty and warm..GO figure...
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